Good call. Forgot about that...:hmmm:

Even Dr. Strange (coolest Marvel character they've failed to use) might put up a fight...

Is that new?

I haven't been actively collecting for about 10 years (or about 6 years ago when they shut down massive torrent sites based in Malaysia.)

Adam Warlock would put up a better fight. You also have lesser characters like Quasar.

They are being insanely ambitious with the plotline so I am curious how it will turn out. The overarching goal of the movie will probably be to introduce Thanos as the villain for Avengers 3. You have Ronan the Accuser and Nebula as the two main villains, which could be very good. You also have The Collector's role. And you have the Nova Corps involved as well, which is a world in and of itself.

Oh yeah, and Rocket ****ing Raccoon.

Yeah, Thor would annihilate Superman because of that vulnerability to magic - unless, of course, the plotline and popularity required Superman to win, which it did in the Marvel-DC crossover from years back. Thor, however, did literally blow a hammer-shaped hole in the chest of Hyperion, Superman's Marvel equivalent. So, there's that.

Thor is also a better character, but that might be me being a liiiiiiiitle subjective.

Always depends on the writer.

At one point (inner homer here) the Hulk's ability to grow stronger/adapt due to anger overcame the rigors of space and and ruined the best Marvel had to offer before he asked to be stopped.

It's why the character of the Hulk is more relatable.

No one wants to be Superman. No one wants all that power and all that responsibility. No one wants the burden of all that morality all the time.

The Hulk is Banner's "excuse." He get's to hide behind that and pretend it's never really "him" or what "he wants."

The Hulk is just what Superman would do if he ever let himself go...

I always thought Sentry was a cool character.

Figured that'd be far more realistic to a dude with off-the-charts physical powers. I'm guessing a guy like that is far less likely to be a well-adjusted boy scout like Superman, and more of a psychopath who's terrified of himself like Sentry.

Don't know anything about Gladiator, though.

You have a point there...

All roads lead to Thanos.
Nebula, Drax, Gamora, the Collector.
I really dont know how you can introduce this side of the galaxy without being ambitious.

Looking at all these names and thinking about Galactus and the Surfur just burns me up.
How big of a ****up was it to sell those rights with the FFour?

Just a name to think about considering the IG plotline:
Warlock?
Never really liked him much, but Marvel sucked his dick for decades. Closest character to Thanos, and biggest protagonist of that era in Galactic affairs.
Strange that not a word of him has been mentioned. He is tied to every character in the Guardians universe, and may have been the biggest character in it, other than Thanos himself.

Assuming The Inhumans gets made before Avengers 3, you have a ton of options. It can be a full out battle royale in that movie if you include the core Avengers with pieces from the Guardians, Nova Corps and Inhumans (Black Bolt). Obviously you have Thanos as the villain but you also have villains like Annihilus and the Phalanx as well to draw from. It sucks that Galactus can't be involved yet but maybe Marvel will work some magic.

My guess would be buying time and hoping to make enough $$$ to buy character rights.

A2 being about Ultron screams "wanted IG but had to settle for the big crossover of the year and hope it's big enough to still be relevant 2 years from now."

Weak.

I thought it was waaaay to soon to go IG as soon as I saw Thanos in Avengers.

Not enough characters have been introduced yet.

Avengers 2 wont even be all that Galactic IMO.

Ultron was a huge enemy for them. They needed someone.
Hell, the Mandarins story would have been awesome and big enough had they not shit all over it. IM3 could have really set up A2.
The Rings/Fin Fang Foom/Chinese Powerhouse threat. Coulda been cool.

I have recently started picking up a few comics myself after not collecting for a long time. There is a little shop in Lee's Summit call pulp fiction comics and games that I have been going to lately. They seem pretty cool. Here is a link to their website:

http://pfcomics.com/

A few years ago, Marvel offered a set of CDs that contained PDF copies of every issue of the Amazing Spider-Man series, from #1 up to whatever was currently the latest issue. I wish they would do the same with other mainsteam series so that the non-collector could read the series and get caught up.

I imagine it was pretty time-consuming though, because they were obviously hand scanned copies saved to PDF.

I'll check them out. Thanks, man.

A to Z in Blue Springs is a good store.

They already have every comic they've ever printed on PDF. This is Disney now; it's a matter of marketing.

No arguments there. Well, and maybe the editor.

But that's what's so much fun about hypothetical superhero match-ups: they can never be resolved. Stan Lee said that when they're in the comics, they should always end in a draw, so the argument can't ever be settled. He's got a point.

Oh, and by the way, Hulk lovers: Havok - scrawny, lame, finheaded Havok - straight up owned him. In a clean fight, with no gimmicks, no handicaps, no surprise attacks, no funny business. One blast, right between the eyes, Hulk crumpled like the tin foil cover of last night's take-out and unHulkified back in to Banner. Havok then just walked away, leaving Banner for dead, in the middle of the desert, wearing nothing but his purple pants.

So, yeah. It's all about the writers.

It really is. I don't think ill ever understand how, in Civil War, Capt America worked out Spider-Man who later got the best of Iron Man in a brief encounter. That shit was all ass backwards.

try marvel unlimited for a month. they have massive runs of all their major titles.
http://marvel.com/comics/unlimited

I read through about 200 in 1 month then canceled. If you just want to read Marvel comics, that's the way to do it.

no Groo :spock:

Shit you would ask that, it is off barry road across from the amc in a strip mall..

Like said above, and by me many times..

Supes weaknesses, humanity, magic and kryptonite..

thor would put up a great fight.. A lot of Marvel characters actually would with their magic backgrounds. I think Strange would destroy him quickly.

And writers can write it however they want, but it is all about matchups..

Supes should be able to ko hulk pretty quick if he does not mess around. If not, hulk just gets more pissed.

Phoenix could probably **** him up if that is considered magic..

I didn't know much about Gladiator but recently read a short run called The Annihilators. It was an offshoot of Annihilation Conquest and featured a ragtag team of Gladiator, Silver Surfer, Ronan the Accuser, Quasar and a few others. I think Gladiator's main power is that he is indestructible. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Thanks

There are a shit ton of reality warpers and mutants with powers over atomic manipulation in Marvel (people like Scarlet Witch and Franklin Richards). How would they fare against Superman?

Does anyone read the current versions of Uncanny X-men, or X-men? Which do you prefer, and why?

I read both. X-Men is pretty good, but Uncanny is one of my favorite books right now. Love what they are doing with Cyclops and the new team. I think the first 10 or so issues are available in TPB.

Wolverine and the X-Men, on the other hand, is almost unreadable.

I went to a comic book store today, and bought a book for the first time in 20 yrs. Was talking with the guy and asked him which of those two was more popular/better reviews, and he said X-men without hesitating.. So I picked up the first few issues of that. Haven't had time to read them yet though. I guess i should probably look into Uncanny X-men too. Do you have any trouble keeping storylines straight when reading both? Do you have a subscription, or do you go to a shop each month?

They're mostly self-contained storylines that are about different teams/characters, so it's not hard to keep them straight.

The newest 'X-Men' run is about an all-female squad of the mainstream X-Men who are now led by Wolverine. Some members are Psylocke, Storm, Rachel Grey, and Jubilee. Uncanny is about a militant splinter cell that is run by Cyclops, and has people like White Queen, Magneto, and Magik.

A loose analogy would be that Wolverine is the new Xavier and Cyclops is the new Magneto, if that makes sense.

I have a local shop I usually go to for my can't-miss titles, but other stuff I try to wait until an collection or an omnibus comes out.

Good info, thanks man!

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I thought it was puck leading them. I have not read the new ones yet.

They would turn him inside out.

Superman's as strong as they come, but if he fights somebody who can create a black hole with their mind, then there's only so much you can do.

Any superhero with super physical powers will lose to anybody who can simply make anything happen with their mind.

I remember reading an issue where Zeus went to war against Hulk. Hulk lost soundly -- you simply can't beat somebody who controls reality.

For that reason alone, there are a ton of entities in the Marvel universe who can beat Superman.

As for earth-bound characters, the number falls dramatically because few earth bound characters have that ability.

Physically, against earth characters, only the Sentry really has a shot at beating Superman, which he most certainly could provided he keeps his psyche together. Hulk would put up a damn good fight, as would Hyperion. But that's it.

Have any of you ever sent a book out to be cgc'd?

I have sent off about 12 in my time..... Questions?

yes

did you do it through a retailer?
how long were the books gone?
how much did it cost?
were the grades given better or worse than expected?

I have sold comics for years, so I am fairly good at grading. Only one came back significantly less than what I expected, and I think I damaged it putting it in the bag after getting Scott Snyder's signature.

The books are gone (unless you pay for Fast Track which is $10 a book) around 4-5 months. If you FT the book, it'll be around 2 months. Each book (modern only) will cost around $40 +/- WITH the Fast Track service.

Feel free to PM me if you want more info.

Top 10 comics series, graphic novels, and limited series

10.Uncanny Xmen
9.Akira
8.Spectacular Spiderman
7.Captain America
6.The Power of Iron Man (GN) AKA Demon in a bottle
5.The Chronicles of King Conan
4.Kitty Pryde and Wolverine
3.Lone Wolf and Cub
2.Groo The Wanderer
1.Savage Sword of Conan

Can someone explain to me how flight is supposed to work?

Like, Superman. Has it ever been explained how he flies?

Is it all mind control?

Direckshun because krypton had a heavier gravity s.uperman lighter and is able to fly.

One of the big differences that Stan Lee put in place in Marvel's early days was that he wanted (at least semi-) logical reasons how people could fly, as opposed to just "he can fly". That's why Spider-Man swings from the webs, Hulk leaps, Iron Man has jet boots, and so on. They've strayed since, and there are plenty of characters that just 'fly', but that was an early conscious choice on Marvel's part.

Short answer: Not really.

Supposed to be denser atmosphere and a red sun.
Which is stupid I think.
I remember watching supes one a lil while back and the way Jar el described it. Superman would be super strong but he would weigh 2000 lbs.
He truly would be a man of steel. Or iron ore and very much as grounded as the hulk.

Gotta stick ya fist out and lean wit swag into those turns

Read Old Man Logan today while I was at the book store.

1. Wolverine is a badass.

2. What the hell was up with the inbred Hulks? ****ing weird.

There's a lot of guilty pleasure comix out there without supes in them.

Back in the day I'd break up the Supes/X books with:

1) HATE
2) Ralph Snart
3) The Nam
4) Johnny (NNY) The Homicidal Maniac
5) Strangers In Paradise

I forgot about The 'Nam. That was a great book

just started reading the new infinity series from marvel, and I will have to say, it is damn good.

Here is a quick tip too. Anyone who likes their old comic books and would like to frame them: Go to the dollar tree and get a "certificate frame", only $1, and fits a comic book perfectly, and the covers look great in my man cave.

because **** physics

I just finished the Age of Ultron stuff and I was not impressed. Seemed like they went back to the AOA/Magneto as leader well and just put Ultron in there. Once again using time travel.

Not impressed at all.

I read Velvet and was impressed. Will read again.

Sex Criminals is also great. Similar kind of tone and humor as Hawkeye..and there is a tiny Hawkeye reference buried in issue 2.

Bumping this...

Ok so I'm a complete and utter comic n00b but I took the plunge on the Marvel unlimited offer that's currently 99 cents for the first month with code...

I'd like to get into Spidey, Avengers, and X-Men to begin...what are the "essentials" or best editions that I need to start with?

Wish DC did something like this, I'd go head first into Batman.

Oh my.

- 2013 run of Guardians of the Galaxy (because Guardians is next week)
- Hawkeye
- Infinity Gauntlet
- Secret Wars
- Ultimates
- The entire Brubaker run of Captain America.

Avoid House of M and Civil War. Age of Ultron is kind of ridiculous and I wouldn't try to get through it before others.

Awesome...thanks for the start!

I read through all of the Amazing Spider-Man(s) that were available on M.U. The best run is #28 through #48 IMO.

I really liked reading through Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man again too. #1 is one of my favorites. It introduces The Tarantula, one of the most bad ass villains.

I would definitely not avoid House of M and Civil War, but maybe save them until after you are more familiar with the Avengers and X-Men characters. Those two stories set the stage for the following 10 (okay more like 6-8) years in the Marvel Universe.

This, 1000 times this.

Yeah, but for the love of god, stop after the second miniseries. If you see the name Jeph Loeb close the comic immediately.

For X-Men I'd recommend the Morrison run on New X-Men (#114-154) and Joss Whedon on Astonishing X-Men. I've never really read Spider-Man regularly, so I have no idea there. I mostly enjoyed Bendis's extended Avengers run(s), but it's inextricably tied into an endless series of crossover events, so I can't really recommend it. Jonathan Hickman's current run on Avengers is pretty good. I also enjoyed Hickman's Fantastic Four run. Also Runaways, and the Garth Ennis and Greg Rucka runs on Punisher. I only read the last arc of the Ennis run, but it was amazing. I can be more specific with years and issue numbers if you're interested in any of this.

Actually I take that back, Ultimate Spider-Man is pretty great until it starts getting derailed by dumb crossover events. But that doesn't start happening until after issue #120 or so.

I'd agree with that, but dropping into either one (especially house of M) without knowing who is who and what is what will just lead to frustration.

I also think that the current runs of Magneto, Black Widow and Moon Knight are pretty great too. None of these are involved in this summer's cross-over which makes them noob friendly.

I'd recommend avoiding anything Ultimate altogether. It's a parallel universe, it's likely to get confusing, the characters are not the classic versions, and there's plenty of great reading out there without it. Also, personally, I don't think it as a whole is as good.

Also, a caveat about Secret Wars: It was made to sell toys. It can introduce you to some of the characters, but it was not of the highest quality, and it's from 1984 and got dated quickly.

I agree with the the Infinity Gauntlet series, and Brubaker's Captain America run. I also highly recommend Captain America's Red, White, and Black series, all of Volume I of the Thunderbolts, and Civil War, which is as good an introduction as you are going to get to the various characters and dynamics, so you can pick ones you like to follow more diligently.

For current runs, don't miss Hawkeye, and I'd also recommend Secret Avengers. Also, though they're not from the center-lined spheres that you specifically mentioned, She-Hulk (if you don't mind weird art), Moon Knight (although Warren Ellis's run only has one more issue), and Ms. Marvel (if you don't mind stories centered on teenagers) are all exceptional.

To get a look at a Hulk comic/stories done well check out Incredible Hulk #324 to about #450.

I honestly don't think there was much worth reading after that until Planet Hulk/World War Hulk.

Both of which I highly recommend...

Agreed.

I liked the First Ultimates series and liked the Hulk vs. Wolverine limited series...

NSFW

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Thanks for all the help guys...well on my way lol but I'll continue to take suggestions, hell anything good Marvel to read.

I'm going to have to seek out that Hulk vs. Wolverine series. Clearly my Ultimates recommendation has met some controversy, but I think the first one isn't too bad. I read about half of Ultimates 2, got bored and never returned to that universe.

Jerm, you've been given a huge reading list. When you get tired of reading Marvel, let us know and I'm sure we'll all point you in other directions like:

Saga
Sex Criminals
Zero
Velvet
Preacher
Y The Last Man

And Manifest Destiny. Excellent non-Marvel.

For a stand alone, I really enjoyed Old Man Logan.

this plus
the authority
100 bullets
archer and armstrong
wicked west: the legend of oz

just started
richard stark's parker by darwin cooke the first book is the inspiration for payback with mel gibson

Haven't been keeping up on anything ongoing because I'm kind of a DC guy and New 52 has been utter ****ing shit from the get go but anyone else find it hilarious that all the hipsters are raving about Cameron Stewart's new Batgirl design when... it's basically the exact same as Quitely/Daniels's Damian Wayne outfit that's existed for like 3/almost-four-ish years?

http://i.imgur.com/cCb8kvK.png

Those aren't even a little bit similar.

when did batgirl become 15

Yvonne Decarlo dissapproves

It is because it is a girl.. OMgeeee...

Those costumes aren't the same.

Those costumes are so dissimilar that it's kind of intriguing. Like, what does he think makes them so similar? That the shirt is a separate piece? Boots with laces?

Similar in that neither appear to be molded plastic/spandex.

I saw some really cool Punisher concept art that went through the details like the aforementioned Batgirl costume. Was super cool and it said that all the gear was taken from known tactical gear. Neat, but google is failing me right now.

wow who said they were the same? durrr one's purple and one has red. No. Stylistically they hit on the same beats compared to the Jim Lee "heavy armored" crap he designed for the New 52. Jacket, combat boots, short cape, etc

The similar elements are pretty minor, and hardly unique to the Damian Robin design. Robin has had a jacket and short cape since about 1940.

http://i.imgur.com/JDNgUFS.jpg

I don't know. If you give me a minute, I might think of who exactly that was.

Having a few elements in common does not make them "the exact same".

That'd be Yvonne Craig. Yvonne De Carlo was Lily Munster.

The more you know.

If costumes had brands, they would be the same brand.