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Bewbies 04-17-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9597001)
Well if they really don't like geno, we don't have a lot holes so you take the BPA which according to almost everyone with credibility says is Joeckel or fisher

When you draft an LT at 1 overall you get fired. That is not a position that wins you Super Bowls.

Sorter 04-17-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9596997)
I almost went he Hali route - but then I thought about it and decided they might just do that to unload his contract. So I went with Houston instead - which to me, is a more valid comparison because Hali is past his prime, where Houston is just entering his (like Albert.)

Probably smart to get rid of Berry too. Can't trust his knee.

Dorsey might be able to get a 2nd for him.

BigMeatballDave 04-17-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9596964)
This off-season has been absolutely unacceptable. I don't know why I even give a shit about this franchise anymore. It is absolute bullshit that we, as fans, have been subjected to absolute shit since Trent Green's egg got scrambled and this is the kind of offseason we get from the "new boss." Same as the old boss, if you ask me.

I've been over this since about a week after the trade.

By all means, continue the tantrums, they're entertaining.

:)

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9596965)
****, while we're at it, let's trade Jamaal for a 3rd and draft his replacement with the R2 pick we get from Miami.

Stop being dramatic.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 9596994)
Soooo essentially it's 1.1, what amounts to basically another first rounder, and Albert for Smith, Joeckel/Fisher, and a lower 2nd rounder...

:facepalm:

****, you'd get rejected by the computer if you tried to make that deal on Madden.

Sassy Squatch 04-17-2013 06:19 PM

So pretty much the only linemen starting this year from last year is Asamoah. JFC

Nightfyre 04-17-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9597009)
I've been over this since about a week after the trade.

By all means, continue the tantrums, they're entertaining.

:)

Nothing quite gets me worked up like the Chiefs and Royals do. Venting here is cathartic. :shrug:

bowener 04-17-2013 06:20 PM

I just don't see the benefit in trading him before the draft. If the Chiefs know they are drafting LT/Fisher at 1.1, then do it. That is one less starting quality LT available for a team searching for a LT. I understand there is a possibility you won't be able to move Albert, but I think that is a very small possibility.

-King- 04-17-2013 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9597009)
I've been over this since about a week after the trade.

By all means, continue the tantrums, they're entertaining.

:)

Is this your new schtick? Making fun of people who don't like the moves Chiefs are making?

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:20 PM

I'm also just shocked that Albert performed well in a contract year.

Sorter 04-17-2013 06:20 PM

I do think it's interesting that this new regime has gotten rid of the starting tackles on this team so quickly.

Jerm 04-17-2013 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9597010)
Stop being dramatic.

Please tell me there's at least a slight chance they go Jordan at 1.1 and take a tackle in the 2nd?

Please.........please lol........

Hammock Parties 04-17-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9597017)
I'm also just shocked that Albert performed well in a contract year.

He performed well two years in a row.

The justification for this move is sickening.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9597010)
Stop being dramatic.

What's dramatic about it?

What I posted is just as stupid as what it appears Reid and Dorsey are about to do.

-King- 04-17-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9597017)
I'm also just shocked that Albert performed well in a contract year.

ROFL Yeah, he just sucked in the years prior :facepalm:

ILChief 04-17-2013 06:23 PM

So all you Jordan fans, are you sitting Hali or Houston? Both of which are better at their position than Albert is at his

Messier 04-17-2013 06:23 PM

I still wonder what was up with Winston. It wasn't just p, he's too expensive or wasn't good enough. There was something to that release.

Hammock Parties 04-17-2013 06:23 PM

Dramatic reactions to this are appropriate.

We are flushing the #1 pick in the draft down the toilet.

THIS IS A TRAGEDY OF PIOLIAN PROPORTIONS

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597025)
ROFL Yeah, he just sucked in the years prior :facepalm:

I wish I had the time to go back and watch every sack that was credited against him. I'd bet anything that a decent number should have been charged to our shitty QB's.

Amazing how undervalued this guy is by some folks.

Messier 04-17-2013 06:24 PM

I think it calls for a boycott.

Sorter 04-17-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 9597028)
So all you Jordan fans, are you sitting Hali or Houston? Both of which are better at their position than Albert is at his

Trade Hali for a 5th.

That seems about right.

Direckshun 04-17-2013 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9597031)
Dramatic reactions to this are appropriate.

We are flushing the #1 pick in the draft down the toilet.

THIS IS A TRAGEDY OF *****AN PROPORTIONS

I don't disagree. I think this is a mistake.

I would find a way to pay Albert. I do think a compromise could have been reached.

It's also putting a shit ton of pressure on whatever tackle we bring in, Joeckel or Fisher. If he flames out, we are seriously ****ed.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:26 PM

Just saw a mortgage commercial on TV.

This is like refinancing your mortgage to save $50 a month but paying $6,000 in closing costs.

We're getting younger and cheaper, but not any better, and we're paying a metric ****ton to do it.

Sassy Squatch 04-17-2013 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9597039)
I don't disagree. I think this is a mistake.

I would find a way to pay Albert. I do think a compromise could have been reached.

It's also putting a shit ton of pressure on whatever tackle we bring in, Joeckel or Fisher. If he flames out, we are seriously ****ed.

Nope. I think at that point I would be done.

Messier 04-17-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9597039)
I don't disagree. I think this is a mistake.

I would find a way to pay Albert. I do think a compromise could have been reached.

It's also putting a shit ton of pressure on whatever tackle we bring in, Joeckel or Fisher. If he flames out, we are seriously ****ed.

Stephenson is a quality backup.

Sorter 04-17-2013 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 9597039)
I don't disagree. I think this is a mistake.

I would find a way to pay Albert. I do think a compromise could have been reached.

It's also putting a shit ton of pressure on whatever tackle we bring in, Joeckel or Fisher. If he flames out, we are seriously ****ed.

As opposed to the nice, sweet, love making the Chiefs have been subjected to the past several years?

Fritz88 04-17-2013 06:27 PM

Live with it.

007 04-17-2013 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9597043)
Just saw a mortgage commercial on TV.

This is like refinancing your mortgage to save $50 a month but paying $6,000 in closing costs.

We're getting younger and cheaper, but not any better, and we're paying a metric ****ton to do it.

But, but, but... they are the experts. They know what they are doing. We should trust them.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-17-2013 06:28 PM

Alex Smith+Luke Joeckel+2.42 > Branden Albert+1.1+2.34+'14 3rd.

God **** that is one idiotic statement.

DTLB58 04-17-2013 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9597029)
I still wonder what was up with Winston. It wasn't just p, he's too expensive or wasn't good enough. There was something to that release.

Yea, he was a Cassel fan and Cassel was released. :D

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:29 PM

LMAO

I just went back and read the article in the OP.

I love how a guy that gave up 1 sack last year, and blocked for a guy that ran for 1600 yards is the 25th ranked OT in the league.

Get. The. ****. Outta. Here. With. That. Horseshit.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9597053)
Alex Smith+Luke Joeckel+2.42 > Branden Albert+1.1+2.34+'14 3rd.

God **** that is one idiotic statement.

http://oi50.tinypic.com/1232vcw.jpg

BigMeatballDave 04-17-2013 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597016)
Is this your new schtick? Making fun of people who don't like the moves Chiefs are making?

LMAO It is for the time being.

I don't know how people can complain about the same shit over and over.

Insanity. Look it up.

jspchief 04-17-2013 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9597018)
I do think it's interesting that this new regime has gotten rid of the starting tackles on this team so quickly.

Maybe Matty Probowl wasn't the problem....

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http://ignitetheliight.tumblr.com/post/25133923483

007 04-17-2013 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9597060)
LMAO It is for the time being.

I don't know how people can complain about the same **** over and over.

Insanity. Look it up.

That only applies to something that actually has a result.

penbrook 04-17-2013 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 9597065)

ROFL

Hammock Parties 04-17-2013 06:35 PM

Look, just stop the whining. We're finally going to fill that hole at LT and dump this fat turnstile Carl Peterson cursed us with.

Defer to Dorsey and Reid.

BigMeatballDave 04-17-2013 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9597066)
That only applies to something that actually has a result.

You mean expecting a different result?

:)

-King- 04-17-2013 06:37 PM

Team doesn't have a hole at LT?



DRAFT AN LT FIRST OVERALL

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RunKC 04-17-2013 06:37 PM

January-"Reid is amazing! **** yes we got a great coach!"

April-"Mother**** you Reid you POS!"

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:38 PM

I would have loved to see this place if Dorsey just let Albert walk.

Mr. Laz 04-17-2013 06:38 PM

Dorsey got bent over so badly in the Alex Smith trade i hate to think what the deal with be if this trade happens.

Albert for the Dolphins 6th rd this year with a conditional 4th/5th next year?

:sulk:

Nightfyre 04-17-2013 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9597084)
I would have loved to see this place if Dorsey just let Albert walk.

"Hey, at least we got something for him!" :rolleyes:

Bwana 04-17-2013 06:41 PM

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OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9597075)
Look, just stop the whining. We're finally going to fill that hole at LT and dump this fat turnstile Carl Peterson cursed us with.

Defer to Dorsey and Reid.

It wasn't that long ago damn near everyone was saying that about Sociopath Scott. And we see where that got us.

There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.

Bewbies 04-17-2013 06:44 PM

If Geno goes to PHI and thrives those of us that wanted Chip Kelly will just be thrilled! Especially now that Reid is going to build him team around a ****ing LT.

DTLB58 04-17-2013 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9597044)
Nope. I think at that point I would be done.

If I had a $100 every time I read that here....

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9597088)
"Hey, at least we got something for him!" :rolleyes:

Brendan Albert's absolute deal ceiling is Jake Long's deal and he thinks hes worth more than that.

What would you propose doing? Franchise him again next year?

I understand the outrage, but the other option was to let him walk. Is that a more desirable option? They talked to him at length before FA started and he's made heavy demands and the Chiefs have their concerns about him.

I know no one on here has any concerns about him, but they really don't seem all that outrageous to me. I liked Albert, but I don't view him as one of the 10 best LT's in the league. Some do on here. Agree to disagree.

Messier 04-17-2013 06:45 PM

I do think Albert pissed them off quite a bit with his tweeting and interviews. Reid and Dorsey only know Albert as a good, but mouthy and whining player that's telling them he's not coming in until they sign him to a long term deal.

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9597094)
It wasn't that long ago damn near everyone was saying that about Sociopath Scott. And we see where that got us.

There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again.

So are you giving up too?

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9597101)
I do think Albert pissed them off quite a bit with his tweeting and interviews. Reid and Dorsey only know Albert as a good, but mouthy and whining player that's telling them he's not coming in until they sign him to a long term deal.

He didn't help his cause, but I don't think this team based their decision on Albert's social media interactions.

Bump 04-17-2013 06:47 PM

sucks, but this is just the nature of the beast. Albert is a damn fine LT and it's ****ing stupid. But sometimes, things just dont work out.

RunKC 04-17-2013 06:48 PM

Albert is an injury prone player who has never even made a pro bowl in 5 years and he's going around demanding big money?

No wonder Reid and Dorsey told him to **** off.

Hammock Parties 04-17-2013 06:49 PM

Who gives a **** about Albert's contract demands?

If the other option is pissing away 1.1, pay that man his money.

-King- 04-17-2013 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9597108)
Albert is an injury prone player who has never even made a pro bowl in 5 years and he's going around demanding big money?

No wonder Reid and Dorsey told him to **** off.

Injury prone? ROFLROFL

And using probowls? ROFL Alex Smith has never made the probowl either.... and speaking of injury prone. Guess who has finished 5 out of 7 seasons on the bench or injured reserve?


Holy shit you just ****ed yourself over.

DTLB58 04-17-2013 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9597096)
If Geno goes to PHI and thrives those of us that wanted Chip Kelly will just be thrilled! Especially now that Reid is going to build him team around a ****ing LT.

IF you liked his choice at the QB he traded for you would be saying, he is protecting the future by selecting someone to protect our QB. Great move.

It's just a matter of opinion and wording. Reid thinks he is building the franchise around Smith and protecting him with a new younger more aggressive and yes cheaper OT. Plus, he gets another pick to help the team along.

It's all a matter of perspective. Everyone has a different view.

Rexx 04-17-2013 06:50 PM

The interesting part of this to me is the additional cap room. What, if anything, do they do with it? If they sign some guys with the additional space, it makes this move much more tolerable.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597111)
Injury prone? ROFLROFL

And using probowls? ROFL Alex Smith has never made the probowl either.... and speaking of injury prone.


Holy shit you just ****ed yourself over.

Matt Cassel made the Pro Bowl.

Let's use the R2 pick we get from Miami to get him back.

-King- 04-17-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexx (Post 9597115)
The interesting part of this to me is the additional cap room. What, if anything, do they do with it? If they sign some guys with the additional space, it makes this move much more tolerable.

They could make cap room by signing Albert to a long term deal.

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9597110)
Who gives a **** about Albert's contract demands?

If the other option is pissing away 1.1, pay that man his money.

Who gives a **** about his contract demands?

The guy running the team.

Stop this bullshit like the Chiefs shouldn't have a limit.

O.city 04-17-2013 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597111)
Injury prone? ROFLROFL

And using probowls? ROFL Alex Smith has never made the probowl either.... and speaking of injury prone. Guess who has only finished 5 out of 7 seasons on the bench or injured reserve?


Holy shit you just ****ed yourself over.

He's been throwing the Albert is injury prone thing around without acknowledging Alex Smith.

ShowtimeSBMVP 04-17-2013 06:53 PM

Dolphins interested in Chiefs OT Albert, then could target CB in draft
April 17, 2013 8:24 pm ET

The Dolphins remain interested in trading for Chiefs tackle Branden Albert, and if completed would then likely target a cornerback with their first-round pick, according to league sources.

Miami is among the teams to discuss a deal with the Chiefs and continues to pursue that option, sources said, with the Chiefs seeking at least a second-round pick in return.

The Dolphins, while making a splash in free agency, have yet to replace the loss of left tackle Jake Long and top corner Sean Smith, and their priority is to do both, with acquiring a tackle now their goal, sources said. The team is very high on Alabama corner Dee Milliner, and he would be a prime target with the 12th overall pick if they can land Albert (Cleveland, with the sixth-overall pick, is looking hard at Milliner).

While this draft does have some alluring tackle prospects, the reality is Luke Joeckel will go first overall, sources said, and Eric Fisher will go in the top five. Miami is high on Oklahoma tackle Lane Johnson, who is rising, but if they can land Albert that would free them up, and Arizona and San Diego, picking ahead of the Dolphins, are also high on Johnson, sources said, and Alabama tackle DJ Fluker could also be selected before Miami picks.

If the Dolphins are able to complete a deal for Albert -- teams have been made aware by the Chiefs what Albert is looking for in compensation (he is currently on the franchise tag) -- and Milliner is gone before they pick, they also are among the teams very high on West Virginia receiver Tavon Austin, but he, too, is generating top-10 buzz. Austin might be there at 12, but teams are considering moving up to land him, and he is in play with the Jets picking ninth, as well.

The Dolphins are juggling all of these scenarios, but getting some certainty at tackle prior to the draft would allow them to focus more elsewhere, and their interest in Albert is very real.

The Chiefs are planning to draft a left tackle first overall, in Joeckel, so getting value for Albert is their priority.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597119)
They could make cap room by signing Albert to a long term deal.

But, but....his back!

If his back was a legitimate concern, they wouldn't have just guaranteed him $10M this year - in hopes that another team would ignore these supposed "back issues" and trade for him.

Messier 04-17-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597119)
They could make cap room by signing Albert to a long term deal.

I thought they were willing to, for around what Long signed.

DTLB58 04-17-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597111)
Injury prone? ROFLROFL

And using probowls? ROFL Alex Smith has never made the probowl either.... and speaking of injury prone. Guess who has only finished 5 out of 7 seasons on the bench or injured reserve?


Holy shit you just ****ed yourself over.

We should use Pro Bowls as an authority on production as much as CNN.

Anyone with a computer starting in week 8 and ending before the season is over can vote! Who thought, now that is a good idea?!

Bewbies 04-17-2013 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 9597112)
IF you liked his choice at the QB he traded for you would be saying, he is protecting the future by selecting someone to protect our QB. Great move.

It's just a matter of opinion and wording. Reid thinks he is building the franchise around Smith and protecting him with a new younger more aggressive and yes cheaper OT. Plus, he gets another pick to help the team along.

It's all a matter of perspective. Everyone has a different view.

The amazing success the entire NFL has had building around another teams backup QB might give you an idea why people don't like this...

O.city 04-17-2013 06:54 PM

Meh, if they're determined to take Joeckel at 1, trade Albert and move on.

However, is it wrong to expect Joeckel to be a top 5 LT by atleast year 2?

The Bad Guy 04-17-2013 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597132)
Meh, if they're determined to take Joeckel at 1, trade Albert and move on.

However, is it wrong to expect Joeckel to be a top 5 LT by atleast year 2?

I don't think it's wrong to expect that.

He damn well better be.

OnTheWarpath15 04-17-2013 06:56 PM

It's comical to me that they have no problem spending $9M a season on a bottom-third, game manager QB, but refuse to pay market value for a Top 8-10 LT.

RunKC 04-17-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9597111)
Injury prone? ROFLROFL

And using probowls? ROFL Alex Smith has never made the probowl either.... and speaking of injury prone. Guess who has finished 5 out of 7 seasons on the bench or injured reserve?


Holy shit you just ****ed yourself over.

When did Alex Smith come in here demanding big money?

I didn't like the compensation we gave up to get him, but that's the going rate these days for a QB, especially when the worst QB class in years is happening.

BossChief 04-17-2013 06:56 PM

Is it possible they have been adamant about trying to get a second back with the intent of drafting a quarterback with the pick or moving up from the pick to take one?

In58men 04-17-2013 06:56 PM

Chiefs get Tannehill plus 42nd pick

Dolphins get Albert and Alex Smith

Bewbies 04-17-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597132)
Meh, if they're determined to take Joeckel at 1, trade Albert and move on.

However, is it wrong to expect Joeckel to be a top 5 LT by atleast year 2?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9597134)
I don't think it's wrong to expect that.

He damn well better be.

In reality it doesn't matter if he is. Joe Thomas has added tons of wins to the Browns...

O.city 04-17-2013 06:56 PM

Frankly, being the first overall pick, I'm expecting him to be a top 7 or 8 guy, year 1. By year 2, he needs to be a top 2 or 3 guy.

-King- 04-17-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9597137)
When did Alex Smith come in here demanding big money?

I didn't like the compensation we gave up to get him, but that's the going rate these days for a QB, especially when the worst QB class in years is happening.

:spock: Since when?

Messier 04-17-2013 06:57 PM

Yes, to be taken this high, he's got to be one of the best, quickly.

Discuss Thrower 04-17-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9597132)
Meh, if they're determined to take Joeckel at 1, trade Albert and move on.

However, is it wrong to expect Joeckel to be a top 5 LT by atleast year 2?

Yes.

O.city 04-17-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 9597140)
In reality it doesn't matter if he is. Joe Thomas has added tons of wins to the Browns...

He also hasn't been the reason they are shit. The fact that the Browns are shit isn't on Joe Thomas.

Bewbies 04-17-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9597138)
Is it possible they have been adamant about trying to get a second back with the intent of drafting a quarterback with the pick or moving up from the pick to take one?

Sure, but if you're taking the LT with your highest pick, and QB with something else, you're not doing it right.

Titty Meat 04-17-2013 06:58 PM

So trade a 2nd for a game manager then draft a LT 1.1 when you already have one but need a QB?

Looks like Dorsey was the ****tard behind Bulaga and Sherrod while the GB defense wasted away.


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