Winter of Kool-Aid?

I don't know. Are adults more capable of handling bullying? Or is it more that adults (typically) are mature enough to not inflict it on another person?

I don't know how extreme Martin's "abuse" was. But its not hard to imagine how being constantly harrassed at your workplace could begin to break a person down.

It's entirely possible that Martin is being a big pussy. It's also not hard to imagine humans being inhuman.

Brian DaBol told Taco Bell I was anti-social. I am so ****ed.

Should Martin have to up with it, no, but it's not like punching Incognito in the face is going to get him fired and thrown in jail like it would if they both worked at Sprint.

Incognito was called out by "unnamed sources" for being head of the bullying pack.

That says to me a few things: 1) he must have been doing something above and beyond to be called out for it; 2) where the **** is the organization and coaching staff on this, that you have anonymous sources leaking guys' names to the media? You almost wonder if players knew something was wrong, but were afraid to speak up about it.

Really juvenile behavior and a childish response.
They should all be embarrassed.

That is my initial reaction but I'm still wait and see as the Dolphins actually excusing Martin is potentially telling.

This reminds me of that RT we had under Dick Vermeil era I think his name was Christainson or something? He started out playing real good for the season and then had a fluke illness and never was the same. After that we have had shit RT after shit RT.

I think he should punch him in the face.

Isn't the first reaction to downplay it or cover it up? Miami seems pretty upfront about telling "the whole story" and they've been quick to defend Martin. That's pretty unusual. There's definitely potential this is a lot worse, and both parties are agreeing to stick to a back story.

Or, smacked him in the face with said cafeteria tray...

Kevin Sampson. Had a seizure after his first start.

Yup. The guy was a walking personal foul in St. Louis--gouging eyes, nut shots, the works. He got kicked off of Nebraska, for ****'s sake.

It has nothing to do with being a pussy. When people who are supposed to be your peers constantly make fun of you, its going to get to you no matter who you are or what job you have.
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Oh yeah, good memory you have. I had high hopes for him and then always wondered what happened to him.

he's a ****ing dickhead.
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He generally has a reputation as one of the dirtiest players in the league as well.

Incognito is a genuinely bad guy. You don't do this kind of crap to destroy team chemistry. It's selfish and stupid. I'll bet the Dolphins jettison him right after the season is over.

Perhaps he and Nacho can fist each other none too gently?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...rom-incognito/

SPN: Martin fears retribution from Incognito
Posted by Mike Florio on November 3, 2013, 10:59 AM EST
Incognito AP

Yep, the Jonathan Martin situation keeps getting weirder.

At a time when the Dolphins claim that tackle Jonathan Martin hasn’t alleged that he was bullied or harassed by any teammates and Incognito has demanded on Twitter that his name be cleared, Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen of ESPN report that Martin hasn’t formally accused anyone of bullying or harassment because he fears retribution.

Per the report, Martin specifically fears retribution from guard Richie Incognito (pictured).

Schefter detailed a situation in which Martin was intimidated by Incognito to contribute $15,000 toward a trip to Las Vegas by the team’s offensive lineman. Martin, according to Schefter, didn’t want to go and ultimately didn’t go — but he surrendered the money anyway.

If true, it’s the really rich guy example of someone stealing someone else’s lunch money.

Schefter also explained that there are text messages and at least one voice message proving harassment and justifying Martin’s fears for retribution. Schefter added that Martin’s recent comments to Incognito explaining that Martin doesn’t blame his teammates for harassment also arose from concerns by Martin that he’ll face retaliation if he accuses Incognito of doing anything wrong.

Until Martin makes a formal complaint of bullying, the Dolphins will be able to declare that everything is fine. Even if the truth is that everything is far from it.

Why not just cut Incognito now?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

Martin headed for NFI list, may never return to the Dolphins
Posted by Mike Florio on November 3, 2013, 10:17 AM EST
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The situation involving Dolphins tackle Jonathan Martin continues to get more and more bizarre.

In the wake of the Dolphins issuing an “all is well” statement, it’s clear that all isn’t well. According to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network, Martin will be placed on the non-football illness list as soon as Tuesday. Per Rapoport, Martin doesn’t feel comfortable returning to the team “unless the situation changes drastically in the Dolphins locker room.”

So Martin hasn’t complained of bullying, but he thinks things need to change dramatically in order to return to the team?

If the problem for Martin flows not specifically from the Miami locker room but generally from the culture of the NFL locker room, changes would need to happen in every locker room before Martin could play again.

Then there’s the question of whether the NFLPA is or isn’t investigating the situation. NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith has called the situation a “major priority,” and subsequent reports indicated that an investigation was occurring. According to Adam Schefter of ESPN the probe initially focused on guard Richie Incognito.

Now, the NFLPA has said there’s no investigation, and Incognito has demanded via Twitter that his name be cleared.

To add even more confusion to an already confusing situation, Rapoport says that “the NFLPA has not launched an investigation” but the union is in “information gathering mode.”

How is that different than an investigation?

Our guess based on all the available facts and reports and circumstances is that Martin believes something happened beyond the confines of the normal and accepted behavior of an NFL locker room, but that Martin realizes it’s not in his interests to officially complain about bullying. Instead, Martin likely hopes that things will change without Martin causing specific problems for any of his teammates or for the organization.

Regardless of the truth, we’ve got a feeling that this specific story has plenty of remaining twists, turns, and contradictions.

No kidding? The dude has a history of being a BIG POS...I don't get the dolphins here. Shit like this shouldn't happen. There must be a bunch of pussies in the dolphins locker room to not call out Incognito.

Sure but Martin sounds like a huge pussy.

Exactly. It's interesting to me that nobody seems to deny that Incognito was doing this, yet no discplinary action. Unless they're worried that people would start asking why he was suspended or cut.

The way everyone has reacted to it, it sounds like there's a much bigger story here. I think questioning if he was gay and bullied for it holds a ton of water.

I'm thinking Martin is likely gay. I still don't understand how one grown man can allow himself to be bullied out of 15k.

Incognito reminds me of this douchebag I knew in college. He was a football player and would routinely get drunk and pick fights with people at frat parties. One night I was sober driving and apparently someone decided they were fed up with his bullshit and they brained him over the head with a beer bottle. I made my last rounds of the party house for the night and was prepared to head home when this crumpled mass beckons me.

He's laying on the ground in a small pool of blood, and he cocks his head forward, saying,

"Can you please take me to the hospital?"

I tell him, "Sorry, asshole, you're going to have to bleed."

Guy doesn't want to come out and say 'they are picking on me' and have that follow him around all over. He doesn't want to go back to Miami and have the same guys harass him all the time.

Miami just needs to trade/cut him and let him get a fresh start

:doh!:

I'm not sure how one grown man allows himself to be bullied by another.

LMAO good, **** that guy

I still don't understand how a guy like Incognito can be that much of a dickhead and keep signing new contracts.In most professions, you would get fired or reprimanded.

If the bullying was out of line, which seems to be the case, then I'm a little more sympathetic to the guy taking the abuse.

I was undersized in school and looked young for my age, this meathead would try to get physical with me but I found out his folks were divorced. Every time he started up I would crush him on how his mom didn't love him and that he was the reason she abandoned him and his drunk dad. He stopped coming around after awhile.

He describes a culture of older players forcing younger teammates to pick up the tab, with one player being handed a bill for a $30,000 team dinner. “The veterans are using the younger players as an ATM, I’m told,” he reported.That dovetails with reports that Martin was somehow coerced into paying $15,000 toward a trip to Las Vegas that he didn’t attend

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ing-pressured/

And...? This has been the way of it since forever.

Congrats on your shit post.

Bullying people you expect to come in and play like veterans right away is flat out ****ing stupid and it should stop.

Probably because the Dolphins O-Line would go from a dumpster fire to a raging dumpster fire. Doesn't excuse keeping the shithead, but gotta win dem foobaww games

Context is important. Was it worse than anywhere else? Even without context, is it something that needs to stop anyway?

It's time the player's union look into hazing, at least when it comes to money. Maybe forcing rookies to pay for a $15,000 trip to Vegas happens everywhere, but it shouldn't happen anywhere.

I've never seen the"pay for a trip" thing. I was referring to the dinner tab part. As I understand it they only do it to the high draft pick, big contract rooks. It's a rite of initiation thing, doesn't bother me a bit.

Be a ****ing man.

No matter your profession, literally, every other person on earth is in competition with you every second of the day.

Someone wants your job. That big project you're working on. Your wife. To bang your daughter. To beat up your son. To repo your car. Someone will probably steal the chiefs flag off your car as well.

Suck it up...soldier on...

I think it's a practice that needs to be stopped. Haze all you want. But don't involve big chunks of money. A few years ago, it was reported that Dez Bryant had to pay $50,000+ for dinner. I don't care how much these players make. That has to stop.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Just about time for kick off. Good luck to you guys today.

Especially with the new rookie wage scale.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...tion-teammates
Welp. Harassing voicemails and text messages? Asking to finance a $15,000 trip to vegas?

And then this. This is probably the appropriate way to handle this:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...dering-my-name

Yes expecting guys who are being paid millions to perform at a high level is stupid.

Thanks for the tip. You are a fountain of wisdom.

I honestly just don't see how you get intimidated into picking up a 7 figure tab for some shit you didn't even attend/rack up by yourself.

I'm flabbergasted.

What happened wasn't right, but being mentally tough is part of any profession. You can't let assholes ruin your life.

This. Especially a dumbass like that
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No doubt. I just have a much bigger problem with a guy like Incognito who seems to take douche baggery to a new level. And the organization that didn't seem to do anything to stop it.

Martin isn't a rookie anymore. And he is a teammate. If there's any truth to taking bullying beyond simple teasing or hazing, Incognito should be cut yesterday.

Ryan Leaf and Dez Bryant tried to fight back. They got called out for being whiney. When Leaf refused to pay for an expensive meal, Seau stole his credit card, paid the tab anyway, and then clocked him in practice. You aren't allowed to fight back because you have a full roster of veterans ready to make your life worse.

This shit has to stop when it involves money. Where does it stop? Forcing players to spend money on completely unnecessary things just because it's a ritual is beyond dumb.

Be a man and get back to work, you have to expect bullying in the NFL

I'm not sure what bullying has to do with that, but sure.

These dudes are ****ing huge, I'll admit. I, like KCUnited, was extremely small and always looked about four years younger than I actually was. There were a few instances of "bullying" I dealt with, but they were mostly isolated and I couldn't even bring myself to say it was true bullying. I got made fun of and ****ed with a bit just like every other normal and abnormal person..

So, I don't know- I just can't see allowing myself to be intimidated into doing shit monetarily like these guys are. If someone comes to steal my wallet I'm ****ing fighting for my life, no joke. I'd never let someone take something from me while I could still throw a punch.

EDIT: Unless my life were threatened. Then you can have all my money; I don't give a shit.

I think the question is if this went beyond teasing and hazing, to just being really mean-spirited. And to me, that shit has no place in a locker room. He's your teammate for crying out loud.

By the way... if this was just normal locker room stuff, then yeah, man up. I'm assuming that Incognito went way over the line.

Incognito is just a piece of shit and why should straight up bullying be tolerated in any work place?

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 19s
Dolphins announced they have reached out to the NFL and asked it to conduct an objective and thorough review of Jonathan Martin situation.

Nobody is saying he's right. Martin is 6'4 300 something pounds getting bullied? Come on.

Just because he's a big dude doesn't mean he can't be bullied.

All you have to do is grin and bear it. Make fun of yourself a bit and they will leave you alone.

I love how incognito is trying to bully schefter now ...dumb. ass.

Yeah, I don't understand the type of personality who intentionally damages teammates. Incognito has had a bad reputation his whole career, and I'm inclined to believe anything bad I hear about him because that seems to be the type of person he is.

Martin is probably done with the Dolphins, but I hope Incognito is, too. Do you really want a guy on your team who is toxic?

It appears this ****ing dude doesn't.

If the Dolphins find out Incognito is a part of this he should be gone as well. He has a history of being a total POS person in the NFL...

If you go through life showing you are sensitive and easy to anger you're gonna get messed with more just the way it is.


Listen to John Lennon's "Imagine" if you want a fantasy world.

so ****ing what?

incognito is 6'3" 319

you're just defending a cornholer

If I was defending a guy who got kicked off the nebraska team I would have said he did nothing wrong. Nowhere did I ever make such a statement.

I figured you would be all up in this thread you are such a cry baby bitch who complains in literally everyt thread that's posted in the lounge.

At least Seau finally got his comeuppance, even if it came at his own hand. ****ing piece of shit that guy was.

Wow.


Jared Odrick @JaredOdrick98
Everything tastes better when rookies pay for it https://twitter.com/JaredOdrick98/st...523968/photo/1

"One young defensive player, whose privacy I'm protecting, has literally gone broke because he's been pressured to pay for older players."

Seriously though...a 30 ****ing thousand dollar tab? wtf costs that much

Ridiculous....Miami needs to clean that shit up, maybe can that stupid ass headcoach too

Yeah someone could go Gilbert Arenas on the vets.

another pussy?

You are the biggest one.

That isn't just a Miami problem. It's a systemic problem with the culture of football.

come on buddy. This is wrong no matter how you cut it
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Incognito is a total piece of shit - that is besides the point.

If you think people have to like you and must sit & eat with you, else it is 'bullying', you are a big fat hairy dripping bleeding pussy and you are what is wrong with the world. Grow a damned pair!

Shit. I'm ready to punch incognito
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Everyone needs SOMEONE on their side
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Stupid, try it being you vs the lockerroom. Hard to go against everyone there, esp since some dont want to get involved and back the 'weirdo' up

Yeah, the bullied are what's wrong with this world. Great point.