That ship sailed LONG ago.
Signed,
Pete Rozelle, Jim Brown, Warren Moon, Lawrence Taylor, Buddy Ryan, Dexter Manley, Rush Limbaugh and Donovan McNabb, Mike Vick, Art Schlicter, Reggie White, Lawrence Phillips, etc, etc....

It's definitely a phobia. There's no question.
Just look at houston...'a post above yours.

If you don't think there are going to be seriously awkward conversations like that all over the country in every stadium he plays in you are delusional.

How are you going to explain it to your kid when he starts to ask questions?

Wrong.

I don't fear anything.

I just don't want it shoved on me and my kids.

What you do behind closed doors is your own personal business.

I don't want to hear about it.

I know.

Perhaps and perhaps not.

Nobody really knows except the person in question.

I'm not afraid of anything, I'm just afraid of an awkward conversation I imagine with my boy.
I'm afraid it's gonna be (lol) "shoved on me and my kids."

It's pretty easy to figure out when every reason they give for lack of "support" is couched in terms of what they fear might happen.

You think your son, at 10 years of age, is going to ask if it's ok to suck cock?

Just tell him to ask his mother.

You are homophobicphobic. You are afraid reading opinions from obnoxious people that feel the need to contribute to every conversation regarding gay folk in a negative fashion.

I'm being facetious.

But he may think it's OK to experiment.

Has the truck arrived with all the gear yet PB? I'll bet you are on the edge of your seat.

I don't care if KC native is a homosexual.

I think it would be a great prank to buy one of these shirts and mail it to him.

Let's find his address.

He better be all pro fast or he will be the laughing stock of the NFL. What ****ed up move to do this bullshit.

He will probably have a very short NFL career if at all.

But a very long career as an activist or talk show guest, etc.

This is no different the the whole T-Bow Christian Morals BS. I don't care about that stuff, as long as the can play Football. Just like T-Bow, The stupid media and now it seems, Sam himself, is shoving this down our throats 24/7.
If you don't think that's true, look at the coverage from the Combine. Sam was projected to be a middle to late 3rd pick., but because he came out of the closet, we got coverage on him 24/7. His times and skills were low, which is what was projected. Anybody else with those times and skills would not have even been mentioned...But because he was GAY, he got all that coverage.

You have a lot to learn about child development, then. It's quite common for boys in the early stages of puberty to "experiment" with friends. Touching, pulling, comparing sizes, etc.

Need camera set up outside to see his reaction when he opens the package.

Like a peeping Tom type camera anyone here a good peeping Tom?

That's why he came out, it was purely for money.

Did you?

How many 10 year old kids ask their dad if it's okay to suck a cock?

It sounds like there's a bigger problem in Houston's scenario, and it isn't openly gay people.

And his attempt at subtle bigotry in the context of his blatant bigotry changes nothing. You can't stand people who aren't like you. Wear it, you ****ing twat.

Lol
I think I get the gyst of your joke.

All this does is draw more attention to the fact that he is gay. He is gay, we all know that now, so go out there and play football. Don't try to profit off the fact that you are gay and act like it is a fight against the world, and you need everyone's support. The only way stuff like this stops becoming an issue is when people stop acting like it's a huge deal.

And what if he does? Are you still going to love him as your son, or are you going to beat his ass and tell him how disgusted you are with him?


That's rhetorical by the way. I can't imagine any son of yours not growing up a racist homophobic bigot just like his pops. Likely you'd be the dad to encourage your son to go beat up the gay kid living down the street. Prison Bitch would approve.

People have to deal with people they dont like, agree with or even agree with their lifestyle, every ****ing day. its a part of life. What makes you so special that you think people should live their lives on what makes you comfortable? Oh and youre afraid to have a conversation with your kid about diversity? About people being different from them? So others should live their lives in hiding and secrecy because youre afraid to have a conversation with your kid?? Man up you ****ing pussies. So you dont like fphagggaaaggs, deal with it, they dont like you either.

And at least htismaqe objects to all this outside of the view of just Sam being gay.

Agree.

This is good. Rep.

So now, the official talking point is that others were "making money" selling Sam merch. Lol. Come on nobody is gonna swallow that load (pun intended)

Easily and honestly. Why is it awkward? "Sometimes men love each other the way I love mommy". You don't have to go into pornographic detail.

Nobody is going to break into your house and start butt-****ing in front of them. It's as awkward of conversation as you make it, and since kids need explaining why they should hate things, that probably makes it harder for those who have to explain why they should hate it. Kids are adorably innocent.

How dare those gays make money while Prison Bitch sits around feeling disgusted!

Nobody is buying this stuff dude. His 15 minutes are just about up

I think the point is: The United States of America is a free country and people have the right to sell their own image in whatever way they want.

If people really were making profits over Sam's decision to announce he was gay, then htis was right - he should have gone the "cease and desist" route first, imo. I don't know enough about his setup to bitch about him making money over this. Maybe the proceeds go other places than just his pockets, who knows?

I'm so ****ing lucky that I'm a white, straight male from a good background. I cannot imagine dealing with shit like this on top of the day-to-day bull shit that anyone and (almost) everyone encounters.

ok, then let it die

Probably would have been up a lot sooner if you hadn't started a thread about this shit. But keep the conversation going by all means.

This is what you doppers get for passing around doobies with strangers. You get the butt hunch fever after it festers in your lungs for 10 years.

I'm not going to answer that and you know it. If I say yes, you'll go into "GAY GAY GAY GAY" tailspin. If I say no, you'll claim my point has no merit.

I will say that in 7th grade my entire class did a week-long environmental field trip-thing in the woods. Stayed in 7-8 person dorm rooms, learned about ecosystems and wolves and shit during the day, did evening hikes, etc. It was a fun time. A few members of the football team got together in one dorm room and one night had a group "experiment" session. There wasn't any butt sex or dick sucking. Just dudes whipping out their wangs, masturbating in front of each other, and daring the other guys to touch them.

And that kind of thing is way more common than you think. Puberty sucks because you want to **** everything in sight, but at the same time you're still learning and figuring out what certain shit does. Most of the guys haven't seen titties yet, and the ones who have likely haven't seen fully developed ones. Probably half of them don't even know what a clitoris is. But they have had sleepovers with friends before, and they have a good idea of what all the guy parts are. Therefore, a lot of them will choose to mess around.

uhh i think u mean the band kids lol footbal players dont do gay things like that!!!!!! their real men like i am

ps i can benchpress 700 lb

I don't think it's barely even started yet.

When his career is over the gays will claim discrimination.

Then he will be highly sought after by the Ellen crowd.

Probably host the Oscar's next year.

Then he will be the first gay president.

He will suck Putin's cock for world peace.

I was in a band kid room. We stayed up until 2 or 3 every night eating candy and playing D&D. It was so ****ing dope. Most fun I had that entire year.

Here's what I would do:
I would become guilt everybody into sharing my exact same opinion. If that didn't work, I would insult them relentlessly.

You left out the part where you guys dropped everything and started making out because you once saw two gays doing it.

Seems legit.

You've gotta love the bigots around here. They're drawn to these types of threads like a moth to the flame.

.. Oh, but they don't care though. Nuh uh, not one little bit!

Well, I would be all for that if he could get r dun. Would save the US taxpayer a lot of money and our military forces a lot of lives. That's change I could believe in!

He will probably be a bust.......enough of the force feeding of a lifestyle on everybody....just do you and quit attacking anybody who disagrees with the lifestyle.

That is the most disturbing story I've ever read online. Seriously, are you sure that wasn't some gay porn that you watched? My youth camping trips weren't anything like that at all, we used to do things like canoe, build campfires, and eat smores. You were jacking off in front of other dudes.

This has nothing to do with his sexuality, but I have a question.
Sam was projected to be a mid to late rounder before, and now after coming out. Why do people keep saying he'll be a "bust?" Is it possible to be a late-round bust?

ROFL

Yes, because of all the hype. Why is a co-defensive player of the year in the vaunted SEC a mid to late roundr anyway? Overrated Tweener. I wouldn't draft him after watching that 40 anyway....ROFL

There's a ton of hype about what a great player he'll be?

That's gay dude.

Seriously.

no, just gay hype.......it's popular now....

That's some gay shit......period

I would argue that the promotion of tolerance and acceptance becoming popular is a good thing.

Do you have sons between the ages of 10-14 or so? When they go to friends' houses for sleepovers, do you have a hidden camera that follow their every move? The truth is that you have no clue what they're up to at those parties.

And I'm not just extrapolating based on that anecdote. Child development psychologists and experts talk about this stuff all the time. It's a part of growing up. And very rarely do those boys end up becoming gay.

You need to come out of the closet too dude.

You're ****ing gay.

(Not) shocking ignorance on display here. It's pretty clear your perception of gay people is not based on actually knowing any of them. If you knew any gay men, you'd realize that the actions you assume all gay men engage in are actually engaged in by some, not all.

News flash: Preferring men as sexual partners does not automatically mean you enjoy receiving anal sex or giving oral sex. It just means you prefer men (whether you're a "giver" or a "taker" or "both.")

LMAO LMAO

Nerve. Struck.

As for the general trend of the thread:

Michael Sam did what many athletes do. He has a web site. He sells merchandise on that website. He tweeted a link to the shop section of his website. He is donating a portion of the profits from his mechandise to a worthy charitable cause.

He's not running around, publicizing this in the media. He's not continuing to make big splashes, though the opportunity remains.

If he was making the talk show circuit, publicizing his merchandise at every stop from Ellen to Dr. Phil and etc., I would understand the criticism and calls of hypocrisy (and I'd agree on the hypocrisy angle).

But he's not. At least not at this point.

Don't quote me on this but if you're a gay couple I would be willing to bet one of you is taking it in the ass and somebody's getting their dick sucked.

Or why else would you be gay?

Ask SNR he has first hand knowledge.

Go eat some pussy for Christ's sake.

Didn't he die for people's sins? Like the sin of sodomy? I don't think he'd appreciate you encouraging people to add to his burden.

That's not the understanding you suggested in your hypothetical conversation with your child, in which you implied being gay = liking to receive anal sex and liking to perform oral sex.

You really would be better off avoiding this subject on this board. You can't post about it without sounding ignorant and bigoted.

Why don't you suck penis?

You're about, 2500 posts late on this, Duncan.

Relevant: Attachment 106433

This is weird. Sessions like that are NOT normal - gay or hetero. That's just....odd. WTF did you go to school?

Being gay is gay

I wouldn't call the behavior normal numbers-wise. It's not like half of all puberty-aged boys do this. And I don't know an approximate range. Nobody has a percentage or a statistic on it. The point is, it's something that happens. And very rarely is that experimentation due to sexual attraction between the boys.

Talk to any child development specialist or counselor. They'll tell you the exact same thing.

That's your job.

That's the problem, though. It's more than a lifestyle; it's who these people are.

What we're seeing right now is basically the transition phase. We're moving from a widespread bigoted, willfully ignorant stance to one of tolerance and openness on the subject of sexuality. There will be some "coming out"s, there will be some resistance, and then, hopefully one day soon, it will become a non-issue.

.. And is intolerance of intolerance really considered a bad thing?

I imagine the attacks on those deemed "intolerant" will slow down once people stop referring to being gay as a "lifestyle" so often.

Lifestyle implies choice. That implication is incredibly offensive to many members of the LGBT community, so you shouldn't be surprised when people respond to what they deem offensive.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/why...my-cock,10861/

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?
By Prison Bitch

Look, I'm not a hateful person or anything–I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my cock.

Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy looked like a real man's man, too–big biceps, meaty thighs, thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until he started sucking my cock, that is.

Where does this queer get the nerve to suck my cock? Did I look gay to him? Was I wearing a pink feather boa without realizing it? I don't recall the phrase, "Suck my cock" entering the conversation, and I don't have a sign around my neck that reads, "Please, You Homosexuals, Suck My Cock."

I've got nothing against homosexuals. Let them be free to do their gay thing in peace, I say. But when they start sucking my cock, then I've got a real problem.

Then there was the time I was hiking through the woods and came across a rugged-looking, blond-haired man in his early 30s. He seemed straight enough to me while we were bathing in that mountain stream, but, before you know it, he's sucking my cock!

What is it with these homos? Can't they control their sexual urges? Aren't there enough gay cocks out there for them to suck on without them having to target normal people like me?

Believe me, I have no interest in getting my cock sucked by some queer. But try telling that to the guy at the beach club. Or the one at the video store. Or the one who catered my wedding. Or any of the countless other homos who've come on to me recently. All of them sucked my cock, and there was nothing I could do to stop them.

I tell you, when a homosexual is sucking your cock, a lot of strange thoughts go through your head: How the hell did this happen? Where did this fairy ever get the idea that I was gay? And where did he get those fantastic boots?

It screws with your head at other times, too. Every time a man passes me on the street, I'm afraid he's going to grab me and drag me off to some bathroom to suck my cock. I've even started to visualize these repulsive cock-sucking episodes during the healthy, heterosexual marital relations I enjoy with my wife–even some that haven't actually happened, like the sweaty, post-game locker-room tryst with Vancouver Canucks forward Mark Messier that I can't seem to stop thinking about.

Things could be worse, I suppose. It could be women trying to suck my cock, which would be adultery and would make me feel tremendously guilty. As it is, I'm just angry and sickened. But believe me, that's enough. I don't know what makes these homosexuals mistake me for a guy who wants his cock sucked, and, frankly, I don't want to know. I just wish there were some way to get them to stop.

I've tried all sorts of things to get them to stop, but it has all been to no avail. A few months back, I started wearing an intimidating-looking black leather thong with menacing metal studs in the hopes that it would frighten those pillowbitergots off, but it didn't work. In fact, it only seemed to encourage them. Then, I really started getting rough, slapping them around whenever they were sucking my cock, but that failed, too. Even pulling out of their mouths just before ejaculation and shooting sperm all over their face, neck, chest and hair seemed to have no effect. What do I have to do to get the message across to these swishes?

I swear, if these homosexuals don't take a hint and quit sucking my cock all the time, I'm going to have to resort to drastic measures–like maybe pinning them down to the cement floor of the loading dock with my powerful forearms and working my cock all the way up their butt so they understand loud and clear just how much I disapprove of their unwelcome advances. I mean, you can't get much more direct than that.

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I figured SNR's post about experimentation would get slammed but I've actually read that things like that happen a lot more often than most people would think.

That's the sort of thing people don't admit to later in life.

It's not awkward. You just have to raise your kids to be decent human beings and it doesn't become an issue. Or, of course, you could pile your fears and hangups on top of them and raise little maladjusted freaks if that's what you want to do.

I've heard that it's true, but all of my experimentation was with girls.