Hey Chiefs fans, give the stupid Jets fan a break. He allready lives in the armpit of the country NJ. Obviosly if all he can talk about is that loser Ty law-his team must not be looking too good in camp. I hear Shockey was throwing around the Jets LB's. Wait til after the home opener at Arrowhead and see if he is still running his mouth-DOUBT IT!!!
Halfcan

O btw, we know all about clutch field goal missing too. Combined with paul hackett even...

i wont be scared away. i can take it. hopefully one or two of my fellow jets fans will come here and help me out in the coming days before the opener.

ha thats a joke. the truth is that coughlin and the giants were crying cause we were man-handling them and they got upset. i already said if you guys win i'll be here to take my licks, but i think i'll be giving them.

thats right i almost forgot hackett was with you guys. then you know my pain.

We also know about REggie Tongue... and herm edwards... Damn there is a lot of chiefs history with the jets.

Lovingly known here as Paul Can't Hackett

As I said earlier.

He'll be at Arrowhead on 9/11 as a Jet.

Hope he passes his Physical and we burn his a$$.

i especially enjoyed the 3rd and 12 draw plays agains and again. with the occasional 5 yard pass play when you needed 11 yards thrown in for good measure. my cable company has been making a killing on new remote controls!

If you are here(which I seriously doubt you will be...you fit that MO) "giving some licks"..It'll be to mah baows.

The Chiefs are not only going to beat the Jets....they're going to destroy them. It won't be pretty at all. I'm sure, even Eddie Kennison is excited to go against old SlewFoot.

ROFL

not true. you'll see. we get plenty of opposing teams fans over at jetsinsider.com and they talk alot, but never come back after their team loses. once in a while one will come back. those are the ones you respect. i'll be here win or lose, that monday.

Stop! you're bringing back painful memories!

I would like to take some time to point a few things out.

The first has already been pointed out several times. Law has not yet signed with the Jets. If he does sign, he may not be healthy by the opener.

Second I would to point out that even with Law playing and covering Kennison, I could still see Kennison having a good game. It all comes down to whether or not the Jets can get good pressure on Green. If Green has good protection then our WRs will get open.

My third and final point is that the Jets had a decent pass rush last season, but not a great one. They were tied for 17th in sacks while the Chiefs were tied for 7th.

Truthfully I think our passing game will depend on if Green has a slow start on or not. If our pass blocking is good and Green is on, then I don't think the Jets can do anything to stop us.

IF WE WIN??? Okay I am done laughing now!! Start licking now-cause you don't have a prayer. Chad Penniston won't make it out of the 1st quarter with that shoulder. Have you ever been to Arrowhead? Check the winning stats of QB's coming into Arrowhead for their first or second visit? Ask Michael Vick about his traumatic expierence last year. QB"S can't hear and will have to prescript their plays, and can't change them when Gunther blitzes with everyone but the beer vendors. I am rooting for you to beat the lucky azz Pats though. Good Luck!! Halfcan

:shake:

That playoff win drought has your football smarts all fuzzy. Luck is winning a game because some idiot takes off his helmet. Back-to-back SB wins takes a little more than luck.

we've put up 30+ on defenses better than yours....ask the Doncos and Champ Bailey what happened last time they were in Arrowhead...shit, even Surtain when he was with the Dolphins got his squad toasted in Arrowhead...Pittsburgh two years ago...we dropped 30 in New England etc...the list is long

i'd be more worried about Pennington's shoulder....Gun will sick Bell on him, count on it...

Yeah lucky that Pittsburg had a rookie QB giving up 4 interceptions. Lucky the refs let their offensive line hold every play to protect Tom Terrific-like they used to allow with horseface in Denver. Lucky the had a weak division and get to play at home in horrible conditions tailor made to make teams have to run against their great run defense. Also Lucky Donovon MCflabb got a tummy ache in the two minute drill last year and wasted any chance of an Eagles win. If you don't think Luck has anything to do with football-how do you explain our lowest fumble recovery total ever last year. Its the lucky bounce sometimes that makes a difference. And yes the playoff drought has ruined my life-lol Maybe we will get Lucky this year-haha Halfcan

Why go to NY? BBQ beats pizza and traffic anyday. :p He obviously has no taste, and they're awaiting the passing of a physical. Why would we want him if he is injured? Will he be back to 100% after this? Or is his 85% better than most others 100%?

Jets don't have a chance on Opening Day.

I am completely unconcerned by the first four games, in fact. Have faith, bretheren and sistern!

Arrowhead used to be a tougher place to play than it is today. While still one of the harder road games on the schedule the mystique of Arrowhead has been diminshed.
IMHO the reason for this is the abysmal defensive teams KC has fielded this decade. The Arrowhead advantage was all keyed off of the dominating D of the '90's.
Teams don't fear KC's D like they used to; Arrowhead is no longer the graveyard for visiting teams it used to be.
What is KC's home recored from 2000-2004? What was it from 1996-2000? (I'm too lazy to look it up).

yea i went you your fan site yesterday and somebody was like "surtain aint what he used to be" all i have to say about law is good luck. He sure as hell wont be what he used to be.

Oh my you talk smack and too lazy to look up the stats to prove yourself wrong? If Arrowhead mistique has dimished-which is crazy-it is because the Kansas fans always leave by the third quarter. We Mo. fans make up for it in beer comsumption and yell twice as loud. Halfcan

Law's a very good player (to say the least) when healthy. And he's pretty much a physical fitness freak, so I expect him to be a very solid corner to a later age than average.

So, basically, this sucks.

Let's see:

1. Law signs with Jets (AFC East).
2. Miami (AFC East) gets Nick Saban
3. Cleveland (AFC) gets Romeo Crennel.
4. Bruschi has a stroke.
5. Ted Johnson unexpectedly retires from too many concussions.

Seriously -- there are many good and valid reasons that the Patriots will be very good this year and contend for a title, blah, blah, blah, but this off-season has SUCKED!

Forgot one:

6. Charlie Weis, head coach of the 2006 National Champion Notre Dame Fighting Irish.

Are you sober? I'm not talking smack but stating an opinion. In your word-salad of a post I think you stated that KC fans always leave by the third quarter. That is something you never used to see and backs up my point.
Let's hear from those who can be objective, regularly attend Arrowhead, and can parse together a cogent sentence or two.
Was Arrowhead as consistently intimidating in 2004 as it was in 1994?

That was in 2002, when our defense was too slow to seriously contend and we gave up a horrific 4.7 yards per rush for the entire year. I still dont' know how we went 9-7 that year.

Last year is much more indicative of a "good" Patriots defense.

'course, you guys have an awesome offense, and anyone that disputes that is a moron. But last year when we had a "good" defense we only gave up 19 to you at Arrowhead. 'course we need to see what the rematch looks like this year.

So, we still kick the Broncos ass everytime they come here.

Mystique that.

1996: 5-3
1997: 8-0
1998: 5-3
1999: 6-2
2000: 5-3
2001: 3-5
2002: 6-2
2003: 8-0
2004: 4-4

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

17-1 against teams with 10+ wins over the last two years (NFL record). 21 straight wins (NFL record). 34-4 record in last two years (NFL best over a 2 year period). 3 SBs in last 4 years (tied for NFL best). 1st in points allowed in 2003, and 2nd (tied) in points allowed in 2004. 4th in scoring offense in 2004.

what was the score last time the Broncos stepped on the field at Arrowhead?

Sounds like luck to me. ROFL

Yeah, that one hurt too. Meant to list it.

I'm ignoring some other stuff that just isn't that significant, IMHO, like losing Andruzzi, etc.

Mainly, it's not just that we lost guys, it's that we lost them to unfortunate/unexpected crap. And it seems like everybody else that I wanted to see go to the NFC, like Saban, Romeo and Law, ended up in the AFC, or worse, the AFC East.

:shake:

actually, I forgot we played you last year....I wonder why...lol

14 year season ticket holder, and no it wasn't-more fair weather fans last year because the 1-3 start. But the fans are dying for some football and I think Arrowhead will be rocking-even when the KU fans leave early. Our home record has still been one of the best despite the defense though-look that up for me will ya. To say Arrowhead has not been itimidating is just silly. Halfcan

You guys will be alright, as always.

No kidding.

I'll agree with anyone that 2001 involved a fair bit of luck. Give Bill Belichick that EXACT same team under those exact same conditions 10 times, and he'll win a SB exactly once, I think. Alot bounced our way that season. And I'm not even talking about the tuck rule.

But 2003-04. That ain't luck. That's dominance. Not "winning by 20 every week" like the old Steelers dominance, but winning EVERY damn time dominance.

Hell, the only mystery to me in 2003-04 is how in the #%^ Steve Spurrier's Redskins beat us early in '03? :shake: :shake:

I was disappointed with our offensive performance against you guys. We had over 400 yards of offense, but you stopped us/got turnovers when it counted. I guess that is why you guys won the SB though.

:D

That '02 game was freaking memorable as hell, however. Winning that game put us at 3-0 so far that year, and yet ALL of Patriots Nation went "Holy s**t!! Something has seriously been exposed here". And it was. You guys showed the NFL how to do it, and we went on to lose our next four, and stagger to the end of the season...

Wow pats fan, did you have those stats handy. This year will not be your year-your luck has run out. Halfcan

BB's defenses NEVER lead the league in yards allowed. He doesn't care about yards -- only points.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen the same damn thing happen -- teams seemingly able to roll up and down the field on us, yet by the end of the game -- 17 points, 14 points, etc. etc. It's a rare game where someone just can't move the ball on us at all (usually an inept offense).

BB runs a low risk defense. Not at all like Buddy Ryan's old defense, which was all about high risk, high reward.

:shrug: Sooner or later we'll stop winning Super Bowls (hopefully the year Brady retires), but that doesn't impact what has happened in the past.

What was the score the last time the Broncos stepped on the field at Arrowhead for a playoff game
(as long as we're living in the past)

Yeah, it's not so much THIS year I'm thinking about, although losing Bruschi/Johnson hurts. It's the long range of having Saban in the same division and Romeo in the same conference.

4 years from now, I see the Patriots/'phins being like Red Sox/Yankees. The two always fighting for the crown, with Buffalo and the Jets regretting they're in the same division as us.

Until Saban gets a good QB, I'm thinking Brady gives us the edge, but still -- I'd much rather have Saban in the NFC or at least out of the AFC East. He's going to be a damn good pro coach.

Thanks Titus. The nineties were a little better but '03 helped keep this decade's home record very good for KC. Not as much of a drop off as I thought.

I forgot one-Lucky Peytub Manning can't seem to figure out a way to pass in a snow storm. If Pats had to play in his dome last year it would have been different. I hate to admit it but he had a great year. I beat there are still Dallas fans quoteing stats from their heyday-quick somebody pull the stats of the Chiefs glory days- Defense#1 ect ect. Now that was a deffense!! Halfcan

Easy there can boy.................................................

I would say SOONER more than later. Brady Bunch will be retiring this year after you guys come back to Arrowhead. Oh and wasn't the Broncos that have been killed like 98 points to like 23 their last two playoff appearences-just asking., Halfcan

Yeah, one player makes a huge difference in stopping our offense.

Just ask the Broncos, and their defense is better than yours.

Bottomline, no one stops our offense. We have beaten the best defenses the past 4 years, and if we stay healthy, that won't be changing.

Oh I forgot we were yelling at a Jets fans-then these Patsy and Donkey fans jumped in. The season will prove who is right. Gotta give you props-you love your teams to come on our site and talk smack. I guess there is nothing to say on your own team site-they too perfect. Our defense has been an easy target, but this year will change!!

im sorry but id rather have pat S over ty law. and to the jets fan who posted on here,what are you gonna do when PaT S. shuts down L.coles.?

You need to give up while you're way behind. I forgot one too, from a recent Rick Gosselin article:


"You need to stay healthy to win. From 1985 to 2002, only two Super Bowl champs lost more than 40 games by starters due to injury – Washington with 41 games in 1991 and San Francisco with 44 in 1994.

Yet the Patriots won the 2003 NFL championship despite losing a whopping 87 games by starters due to injury, then won back-to-back in 2004 despite losing 55 more games by starters due to injury."


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....36e055ae.html

Luck my ass...

You sure you want to start slinging playoff smack there Halfass?

ROFL

At this point, I'd take Surtain over Law too, but only because he's younger and healthier. All else being equal, Law has had, and will have by the time he's done, a better career.

But I'd rather have Surtain than Law, RIGHT NOW, that is true. You guys will get more out of Surtain than the Jets will out of Law.

I hate to quote Marty here, but....

"One play at a time."

Yeah if I had some ammo-lol Halfass-thats not bad thanks. I forgot those losses are still really fresh. Man that was embarrassing!! Maybe the super genius Shanacan, will get horseface out of retirement so you guys can win another playoff game.
Hey Pats fan, all your stats would not mean crap if you wern't lucky to have a great kicker-without him you would still be talking about Steve Grogin and Drew Bledsoe. Halfass

I am surprised you got this post in. lol

You have the right to remain silent, your posts can and WILL be resurrected to be held against you.

law>surtain

shhh...

Halfcan,

After reading this thread, I've noticed you're taking shots at the Pats.

You can't argue with the Pats success, so you probably should stop. I wouldn't have even started. Everyone hates them because they are so successful. It's the other 31 teams' jobs to bring them down on the field.

Now as much as I want the Chiefs to play at home against whoever for the AFC Championship game this year, I would love to get a shot at the Pats in their house for the AFC title. That would be sweet to bring them down there. They may or may not have a fall this year, but if both of us are in the playoffs, I would love if it worked out that we get to play them at New England. We'll get to see what we're really made of if everything goes according to planned. I don't expect the Pats to have a fall, but who knows. I just hope we get to play them in January.

don't worry the afc championship goes through new jersey this year.

I am sure everyone will go the long way around to avoid New Jersey.

:LOL:

Yes, overall.

But maybe not this year (we'll see how Law's recovery goes).

And over the next four years, I doubt it. Law will be like 36 by then. Surtain is entering his peak years. Law's best years aren't ahead of him, that's for sure.

Wise words.

Me too. I wouldn't even mind losing to you guys, even though I'd get massacred on this board. What I would LOVE, however, is for us (Pats) to beat the Colts before we meet for the AFC Championship, if we are destined not to win the SB this year.

I want Manning's HOF plaque to read "Great player, blah, blah, blah. But he could never beat the Patriots."

I want the Patriots to be Manning's kryptonite for all eternity.

I don't mean to be unkind, but we seriously KILLED you guys the two games we played last year. The second game, especially, you were starting to feel your oats, and we just smacked you down hard.

We'll see if you've caught up to the cream of the crop yet. Your 11 wins only got you a FOURTH seed in the AFC, so don't get too excited about your position in life, or in the highly competitive AFC.

Why?

They are both top 5 CBs. Law is probably better when healthy, but that's not saying much...they are both top 5 CBs...there is little that separates them, both are great.

Because it's hilarious to watch, IMO. ROFL

I can't believe we're now debating if Patrick Surtain is better than a guy riding around on a Hoverround.

Humor value, mostly. :shrug:

I don't even hate Manning that much, but I think it has to do with some kind of psychological damage done to me as a younger fan by Dan Marino.

Seriously, if Manning has to win the SB, and I don't even mind that he does, I'd vastly prefer that he not beat the Patriots on the way to doing it. Much preferable that my boys just miss the playoffs that year, than lose to Manning.

Don't ask me why this is, it just is...

I think Law will be ready week 1, and I think he'll probably play a lot better than anyone on this board expects him to. I'm sure he's worked pretty hard to get in shape and get ready for the season. I'm not very sure he'll actually be 100%, but I think he'll be out there. As good as he jams receivers, he doesn't always have to be 100% to be effective I think. I think it's a great move for the Jets. They've got a pretty good defense, probably one of the most underrated in the league, and now they've got a #1 corner to go with Barrett/Strait/Miller. Doesn't mean that we can't score on them, we can, and will, but I really like what they've done on D.

Man lets quite talking about Law and talk about something that hasn't been talked about T O!! Just joking. Law better than Surtain-he is the best player ever to put on cleats. Law deserves 6 mil for the ten games he might play in-what a bargin Jets fans.

Yeah no use argueing with a pats fan its like argueing with a yankee fan. And the only thing that goes to NJ are trash trucks with all the garbage from NY. Garden State? Garbage State. Although SE NJ isn't bad if you like rats. Hoboken is beautiful this time of year.

Why would we want to play there in a blizzard, so they can bring the snow blower out again to make a last second field goal.
Pats lose a ton of talent, but everyone in the media and their arrogant fans think it is a gimmie they will win again. Like I said they have had a lot of lucky breaks along the way. Don't even get me started how the Refs have babied them. Their corners have gotten away with murder!!! while the Chiefs get Horsefucked by the Refs every game. If Tony G. played for the Pats the Refs might even call a holding call for him once in awhile, instead of letting LB's ride piggyback on him every play.

Good point Pats fan about Manning-can't stand him. Breaks the record with a shovel pass-what a joke. He will never be a Marino, Favre, or a Montana, just a great losing QB like his Dad.
Halfcan

Halfass does your basement resemble this scene?:

Dang I keep that shit in the garage- I have kids. Don't want those moochers to get my stash now do I?? Nice pic by the way.
Did they not bring out the snow blowers against the Faders-don't get me wrong I loved seeing them get screwed. And Troy Brown looked like a shutdown corner last year because the Refs let him hold everyone he covered. You can plug GAY-what a perfect name for a Pat by the way-and he looked unstoppable. I guess you missed all the boards with the Colts fans and Steelers fans crying and the sudden rule enforcement crap the league was spreading last year as a result of the blantant pass interferance the Pats have gotten away with?
Halfass

Is necklicker still talking smack?

ROFL
Nah I haven't missed the Pat's hands-on play, it's why they are enforcing the no-check after 5 rule so hard now. I also did not miss the infamous ruling that kept the lowly Faiders from winning a game they should have won and gave the Patsies a game that was not theirs.
but hey, you can't cry over spilt milk. If you don't like someone you have to go out there and knock 'em down.