Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

I am pretty sure that only you and KCJohnny were upset at seeing Gunther go, not even Milkman was on that island.

Originally Posted by MichaelH (Post 2925333)

But Martz will fail to address the defense the same way Dick did.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5060139)

This thread deserves a bump

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5060180)

Damn it, where's htismaqe when you need him?

Greater than bad does not equal good you moron

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5060183)

For a long term goal it's not that bad of an idea, you draft your QB, Martz develops him for say 3 years then you move onto another coach while you put better talent on your team.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5060248)

He kinda ran off the fumes from Vermeil's team for awhile until it didn't work.

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 5060260)

He got them back to a Super Bowl.

After the 2000 season, he recognized they were not going to win anything without a defense, so he brought in Lovie Smith.

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 5060305)

Because the defense fell apart in 2000, and the Rams became successful again once they got their D back under Smith. I don't really know if that team was better than Vermeil's 1999 team. One, Vermeil's team actually won it. Two, the 2001 team had been in that offense for 3 seasons now. They were bound to be more successful.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5060139)

This thread deserves a bump

Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 2924267)

My reasoning:

1) For all the talk that Martz is a bad coach, he has a 53-32 record as a head coach, and a 3-4 career playoff record. Gregg Williams has a 17-31 career head coaching record. It would be hard pressed to find any prospective coach who is going to be available this offseason (and I still think Fisher stays in Tennessee) with the NFL head coaching record that Martz has.

2) Martz would keep the basis of the Chiefs' current successful offensive system in place and would probably enhance the passing game by upgrading the WR position, making the Chiefs passing game more explosive. Also Martz and Trent Green have a history together and a positive relationship, which is important considering Trent will probably be the Chiefs starting QB for another 2 seasons at least IMO.

3) Martz has a proven track record of developing QBs (see Trent Green, which goes back to his days in Washington, Kurt Warner and Marc Bulger) and would be able to develop a young QB to eventually replace Trent Green.

4) All the gushing over Gregg Williams, people are forgetting how horrible he was as a head coach in Buffalo. That 3rd year where he had the players in place on defense that he had wanted, the Bills completely fell apart, finishing 6-10. All he's proven in Washington is that he's a good defensive coordinator, but nothing that would suggest he would be a better head coach if he were given a second chance.

5) Looking at college ranks, really no one stands out to me. I don't think Carroll will leave USC this offseason and I don't think Stoops would make a good NFL head coach (especially considering he is overrated as a college coach, see how Pete Caroll and Nick Saban toyed with and humiliated him in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl the past 2 years). Not to mention, also that Stoops has zero NFL coaching experience.

6) I think Martz could be a guy who helps turn around the Chiefs defense. After his first year as head coach of the Rams, he led the Rams focus that offseason towards dramatically improving their defense, and he hired Lovie Smith to be DC. The following season the Rams finished in the top 10 in total defense and allowed 200 less points that season than they did the season before (second most dramatic improvement in NFL history). I'm not arguing that Martz was the main reason behind that improvement and I'm sure Lovie Smith was probably the main reason why, but Martz was the one who hired Lovie Smith and Martz led the initiative to dramatically improve the Rams defense that offseason.

Originally Posted by alanm (Post 5060953)

Are you insane?

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5060961)

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