Agreed. I am seriously trying to hold back on dishing some neg rep today.

Huard has done fine, BUT he does NOT compare to Trent Green. This isn't Montana sitting down for Steve Young or Bledsoe sitting down for Brady. Bono is a GREAT example IMO.

this is quite possibly the dumbest post I've read on chiefsplanet.com

I could care less about yards. Huard has made clutch throw after clutch throw, only has one pick, and -- most importantly -- is 5-1 since the break (and really should be 6-1...damn loss in Denver...ARGH!).

I just think he has his mojo on, Green didn't look particularly sharp in his half of work in week one (not that I put a whole lot into that, but it is what it is), and why upset a good thing?

Maybe in INT return yardage.

lol, whatever guy...

If he is so interception prone he wouldn't have a 11:1 TD/INT ratio...

Why? You don't think other teams (Denver included) would rather have him as their starter?

There's no leash, dude. Huard is averaging about the same amount of yards per completion as Green.

If there was a leash, we'd have run it 3 straight times instead of tossing one up to Wilson on first and goal.

This decision needs to be made over the next 2 weeks.

Completely take the leash off, let him sling the rock and see what he can do. He was deadly accurate today. If we came out with our best Huard first slinging the ball to start a game defenses would $#it themselves.

I don't think it's fair to judge him until he's been truly given the team to run with, wide open...

This coaching staff has a leash on the offensive tackles, not Huard.

No, there is definitely a leash, and Huard is still putting up comperable numbers to Green.

Take it off and let that dog run in the park. See what he's got with the team behind him.

I gave up on rational arguments with GoChiefs and Hootie last week.....Why?

Well, it's easy....Hootie's ego is so large he won't accept that he is wrong about anything. His word is truth and the rest of the world is pretty much stupid. (He's even hinted at it in his posts) Having an argument with him is like trying to talk to your 3 y/o who is screaming his lungs out and has his fingers in his ears.

As for GoChiefs.....his is, and has been, an ongoing need for attention. So what does he do? He says things that he knows will get him attention and give him fodder to write about on WPI. It's too bad his writing skills need a little more polish.

The best thing with either of them is to do what they did to Chuck O' Connor in the TV show "Branded"......strip them of their "rank", turn our backs to them and make them walk the 'walk of disgrace". :)

mmaddog
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I hope Waters isn't done for the year...that would just be yet another obstacle for Larry Johnson.

Come on folks...be nice. There's no reason for hostilities. We're all Chiefs fans here.

Agree to disagree.

This is TRENT GREEN we're talking about here people. The best Chiefs QB in a long-ass time. Huard came in and made a name for himself, but soon it will be time for him to step aside and let the starter take over. Huard has done backup QB's are supposed to do: win until the starter is back to 100%, at which time they step aside but keep practicing and studying film so they are ready to take over if the starter is hurt again. We should feel damn good that we have a solid backup, but Trent Green is Trent Green and he is a starting QB. Our line has improved and our offense is playing with better chemistry, making it all the more timely for Green's comeback.

I'd even go so far as to say, let Green sit on the bench healthy while Huard gets to play and see how many of the starters keep playing hard with Huard as the starter.

That would be ok if you two didn't rehash this shit after every chiefs game.

fan favorite bias, exactly what I'm talking about...

GoChiefs...it's hard to "agree to disagree" when one of you is busy telling everyone else that we have no clue and we are all idiot "homers".

mmaddog
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they're professionals, Huard has lead them to victory after victory as of late, why wouldn't they play hard for Huard?

What a dumb post.

you're an idiot homer

Greater words of wisdom haven't been shared here for a while. I for one am fed up with them on this subject. I went from being really happy about the W to complete irritation for what they are saying. I am thinking it is time to put them both on iggy.

Buddy, you're losing more and more respect in this argument.

omg plz don't

and I couldn't care any less!

I rest my case GoChiefs......Hootie is easy to predict.

mmaddog
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When did they start letting noobs shit all over the BB?

Actually you do care or you wouldn't protest so much....or try to convince all the rest of CP that you are right.

Accepting the fact you are in denial is a good first step on the road to recovery.

mmaddog
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You should be an expert, Dumb posts are all you have put up on this thread. :rolleyes:

The ENTIRE team looks to Green as the leader. The moment he was back on the sidelines, this team looked different. I guarantee there will be some resentment from players if Trent is benched after he is cleared to return. That resentment will affect their play and team chemistry.

You here from the coaches, Trent is the Starter." You here from the players, "Trent is the Starter." You here from Huard, "Trent is the Starter." But there are still stupid fans that can't seem to get it through their heads that "Trent is the Starter."

oh, I GET IT!

WE'RE WINNING BECAUSE TRENT IS ON THE SIDELINES NOW!

Awesome.

I can see so CLEARLY now.

Here's another question for you Hootie.

This offense has been Hermified, right?

Huard has done an outstanding job in Green's place.
No one denies that.

You also tell us that Green is the better QB, right?

But Huard is the better QB for this Hermified system?

But if Green is the better QB, why is Huard the better QB for the Hermified.

If he's more talented, wouldn't that make Green the better QB in any system?

Here's the deal, IMO.

Between Trent getting injured and Huard managing the team effectively, the bottom line is that this team went from being Trent's team to being LJ's team.

Trent will be far more effective than Huard has been, IMO, as long as he plays to manage the game in the same way that Huard has.

The Chiefs have transformed themselves in his absence. If he replaces Huard instead of replacing that approach, this team will be deadly, IMO.

I agree...Hootie is going over the top.

when Green shows me he can get rid of the ball like Huard does then I'll agree with the rest of you...but until then, Huard should be our starting QB.

I really don't think they'll play better with Green in there.

When the b/u is playing you know you have to elevate your game, you've got to compensate. We saw the defense do that (outside the abortion that was the Pitt game.)

If anything when Green comes back I'm worried there might be a feeling of relief that the defense doesn't have to play balls out to win.

There's also a rust factor here. How many games does it take to shake off? 2? 3?

Can we afford to lose those games while Green gets back up to game speed and comfortable throwing the ball around again and STILL make the playoffs?...

You are hopeless.

Nice misintrepertation of his post! :clap:

don't use logic with these guys...

About a year and a half ago.

I still whack-a-mole when I get a chance though...

Personally, I'm not interested in starting a new thread after every game about Huard, and I don't. I think Hootie needs to slap a muzzle on this scaled-down piece of evil.

But I do enjoy bumping a few old threads... :)

When did Koolaid come out with their Huard blend?

Now you're claiming Trent Green has release problems, next you're gonna tell me he is Rob Johnson.

Huard has been getting rid of the ball the way he has becuase of the Hermified system.

You wouldn't recognize logic if it was wearing a name tag in bold letters.

mmaddog
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The rust factor is the only thing I'm worried about. I think though the teams he's looking to start against will be of help there - Miami's performance today is a bit different than I expected, but Oakland at home is probably the closest thing to a gimme you can get in the NFL.

Even with the rust though, the fact that the O-Line is providing better protection makes me think that even rusty, he won't struggle nearly as much as he did against Cinncy.

As for the D, I'm more concerned with the injuries today than I am that mindset. If anything, Green will up the O's effeciency which will keep the D off the field a bit more and keep them rested a bit better than they were today.

Next to Miami at home... ;)

I see Head coach Hootie, a 21 year old football genius and his Offensive guru GoChiefs are at it again. Give up fellas, those 2 know more about football than Herm and Solari....as well as every one on this board. :rolleyes:



Hootie and GoChiefs, stick with something you are an expert at.

I think we can still get the W. Miami was on today against the Bears, but it will be tough to get up two games in a row - Just look at the way Pitts went flat after they beat us so soundly.

Green has to get used to this offensive line though. He is used to having his all pro offensive line with all the time in the world to throw. He was hanging on to it too long in week 1 where Huard has a much quicker release..touch decision

The O-Line wasn't providing anywhere near the protection that they are now. Cinncy was coming through about as quick as they would have against 5 trash barrels out there.

Since then, the O-Line has done much better and Solari is calling more plays to compensate.

You guys are confusing quick release with quick decision to get rid of the ball.

Trent has the quicker release.

Huard is making the decision to pass quicker, by design.

Simple answer, no need for all this discussion.

Yes.

Here's the way I look at this whole thing...I haven't ready everything so somebody may have already made a similar point.

Green is our guy. He's been our guy for years now and has been VERY successful. Huard playing so well gives us the ability to allow Green to get back to 100%, nothing less. This means we can wait until he's very sharp in practice before even making a switch.

These next 2 weeks are seemingly some easy weeks. Of course, this is the NFL and no week is easy, but you know what I mean. It's a good time for Green to get back on the field and get comfortable with the live action again.

Then, barring a complete melt-down of the D or rest of the O in general we could be sitting 7-3 with our true starting QB back in the game and the comfort of knowing that we have a very capable backup waiting should anything at all go wrong.

Not many teams can say that right now....at least not with true confidence.

I say get Green back in there. He's done absolutely nothing to lose his job...other than slide 2 seconds too late. It's a testimate to our great offense, even so banged up, that Huard has done so well. I LOVE Huard for playing so well, but there's a reason he's been a backup all these years. Green has proven himself as a starter for years. If he's well, he's the QB.

Yes I think that's how most people are seeing it.

Yep. With Green, he was given 3-4 options in his progressions. With Huard he's given 1, maybe 2 options so he is getting rid of the ball quicker. For some reason, people have a hard time seeing that point though.

let's see Green go through his progressions with our porous offensive line...lol

you don't have any idea what you're talking about...you really don't.

Trent reads the field faster and releases it faster then Huard.

Trent throws the ball BEFORE the WR even makes his cut. It is one of his strengths. We've all seen it a hundred times.

Amazing the lengths people will go to distort Trent's record.

But hey, Trent can't hand off to LJ I guess....****ing choke artist loser weak arm pussy.

how the **** does Green read the field faster than Huard?

How?

Do you know something we don't? Have you studied game film? How do you just assume this statement?

Christ, some of you are reeruned.

Have you been watching the games? It's pretty obvious that when Green is the game the ball gets to the receivers quicker. They turn around and it's there already. With Huard they're waiting that split second or 2. It makes a difference.

No, Hootie, see, he knows what he's talking about because he actually pays attention to the game and how it's played and doesn't just make assumptions like "OMG Huard winned agin, he better then green!!!11"

like all Chiefs fan except you, I've watched him play at a high level for several years....your obsession with Huard has gone from funny to tragic...

Green has spent years running the most complex pass offense in the league you ignorant ****wad....pay attention for once in your miserable ****ing life....it ain't rocket science...you just have to be honest...which you aren't...

Seacrest Out

This is your problem. You don't know how to watch a football game. What is obvious to an informed fan, you just don't see.

lol, whatever guys...

Green reads the field faster than Huard? That's a homer friggin' comment, nothing more.

Huard holds the ball probably a full second less than Green...so I guess instead of reading the field he's just, ya know, thinking about green grass and blue skies...while Green is making these amazing reads and somehow having a QB rating about 15 points less than Huard's...

Hootie: Any post with "lol" typed in it shouldn't be taken seriously into a debate. That said, you still have no idea what you're talking about. It was not a homer comment, it is an informed comment. You have no arguement, you lost this debate about 5 pages ago so just throw in the white towel because you obviously have absolutely no idea what's going on. You've misinterpreted/misunderstood every arguement against you and you're just coming back with insults and uninformed comments.

Trent starts damnit, Huard is managing the game and doing a good job. This offense will be better if green is 100% out there! Trent all the way baby

When you throw 15 passes a game, you're going to get a higher efficientcy rating. Look at Roethlisberger last year, his passer rating was 98.6, because he didn't have to carry the team. Efficiency is one thing, but sometimes you need to have production.

did Huard throw for 319 yards two weeks ago or no? I forget...

Green should play when he comes back........LJ's ridiculous amount of touches is partially because Huard is playing and they don't trust him to pass as much.

"Homer"? They both play for the Chiefs. :)

I was 100% set on Trent, but I'm more like 85% now. Trent has done nothing to lose the job, and he's been a hell of a QB for us. It wouldn't be fair for him to lose the spot... but then, life isn't fair.

I guess I'm on the fence.

What I do know is this : When Trent gets back and we struggle (at any point for the rest of the season) People are going to scream that we should have left Huard in. Trent is going to be rusty. He's going to be in a no-win situation.

ROFL

exactly. No-win situation...which is why Huard should be kept in...Green isn't going to do any better than Huard, he's only going to do worse...so why even risk it?

I think the coaching staff would trust Green to throw the ball more than 24 times when they run 79 offensive plays instead of giving the RB 39 carries....

Exactly. We need to be able to win a game without LJ carrying us. There are going to be games when LJ is shutdown, Huard cannot make make teams pay the way Green can.

Huard is doing a great job and making things hard, he deserves all the credit in the world. I still think Trent is the better QB, but right now what he's doing is working.

I wouldn't want to be Herm right now. I think Green is the guy, but there are two sides to the argument. I think the best argument for Huard is that he's simply in a good rhythm doing what he's supposed to do. Maybe Trent will be rusty. At the same time, we don't how Huard will respond late in the season during a big game/against a great D... or with Trent looking over his shoulder, knowing one bad game could put him back on the bench. It's a brutal decision. We're playing well, but we still can't afford to screw up, too many good teams in the AFC. Both options could blow up in your face... we could get down to the Jacksonville game and Huard lays an egg, or Trent comes back rusty and we drop one next week. Trent is viewed by the leader of the team, is loved by the coaching staff, and has a great track record of success, that's the biggest difference between this and all the Gannon/Brady type comparisons.

where do you get this crap?

Name one game where Trent Green made teams pay when his running back was shut down.

Actually, name one game Trent Green has played a Chief where his running back didn't amass at least 100 total yards.

Exactly.

You guys really need to calm down with this whole "Trent Green is the best QB ever" shit. Green is good, very very good, pro bowl quality...but he has always had the system, the backs, and most importantly, the offensive line.

Huard doesn't have that last part, now does he?

13-3 season.......at Green Bay.......Trent Green won that game. Or Miami here in 2002, they confused on Holmes and stopped him but Green put up 350 in the win. It's happened a few times, I don't think Huard could do that. And Huard playing is taking a toll on LJ he's touching the ball far to many times because they don't trust Huard.

Trent obviously is a system QB, and Huard is def. more talented, give me a damn break, what a joke

you're wasting your time with facts....Hootie has never actually watched Trent play....

yeah...at Green Bay...the game where Priest rushed for a ton of yards including a stretch in overtime where he ran the ball 8 straight times...that didn't set up that Kennison touchdown or anything...not to mention the only reason we came back was because Woods returned a Favre throw for 6...

and Miami?!?! LMAO. LJ went for 90+, Priest went for 80+, and Priest also caught a 60 something yard TD pass...

Great examples, mecca!

yeah, you're right...I've never watched Trent play...

Huard has the better arm and takes less sacks. Green is a tad more accurate and has more experience.

Both have their weaknesses, and both have their strengths. They are very similar and benching one for the other who is coming off a serious 10 week injury is just dumb.

Dumb.

I'm not going to take the time to prove how stupid this is, I'll just highlight it for all to see...