Lets say you are deep in the playoffs. Your team is down by 4 & the game has been a brutal meat grinder for all.

But you've got 4th & goal from the 3 and there is 5 seconds left, your QB just took a vicious slam that has left his pitching arm hanging on by a few back hairs...

He cant wing the winner for you...

Who do you dolt fans REALLY want when ya gotta smash thru 4 guys for that game winning 3 yard TD???

I know who i want truckin' the rock for me...... Superman

Yep.

Priest Holmes.

FAX

Hee-Hee... :)

That's irrelevant. Age has nothing to do with how much they have played in the NFL. LT was drafted 2 years before LJ to a team that desperately needed a great running back. LJ was drafted to a team for security in case their current great running back wasn't able to recover from a serious hip injury. We all know what happened. LJ didn't really get his career start until about 3.5-4 years after LT. Your argument is very weak.

No, that just means he hasn't carried much at all. Give him a 300-400 carry season and then get back to me on his ypc.

Enjoy your 13-3 season, #1 seeded, one-and-done Chargers with the league MVP. For all the (stupid)debate on who the better back is, remember that Marty is still your coach, and will find a new and inventive way to piss down his pants come playoff time.

I think they are both great backs, with different running styles. Overall, i'd give the edge to LaDanian because he can catch the ball. Who cares about throwing it -that is a gimmick.

I refuse to listen to LTforMVP anymore. He has no idea what a heterosexual male has to go through in today's society.

LMAO

Eh, Tomlinson is just a flash in the pan. He's this generation's Gary Anderson.

Trick question: LT can thow, LJ is unproven in that regard. LT comes in at QB and throws the game-winner. :p

I'd kneel on it. Your QB obviously won't be able to play the next week. No way you can win with a back up.

Signed,

All the post-week 1 "Our season is over, we're playing for the No. 1 draft pick, Damon Huard fucking sucks" doubters.

Bad example.

Warner's skills didn't decline.

He was a flash in the pan.

QBs usually can play at a high level into the mid 30s.

His "skills" started to decline at the same time that Marshall Faulk started to decline physically.

The effectiveness of one back over the other is greatly contingent upon the play of ones offensive line as it pertains to their effectiveness against the opposition’s defensive line.

That is all. :p

William Perry!

Well both SD and KC fans are in fantasy land here. No one even answer the question for the amount of yards and TD's they have scored equal how many playoff wins?

Did your parents have any kids that lived???

One less playoff win than the Donks have had since Smellway retired. And that one win was a gift from the refs.

I wouldn't call 5 turnovers gifts from the refs.

I can't recall specifics, but I do remember thinking at the time that New England got jobbed by the refs in that game.

The point is though, you shouldn't be throwing around "playoff win" smack when Shanarat has gone from "Offensive Mastermind" to "Playoff flop" now that Elway is no longer accepting payments under the table.

It's a dumbass question.

Football is a team sport.
Walter Payton, aguably one of the top three RBs all time didn't win a SB until he was on the downside of his career, because the team he played for pretty much sucked throughout most of his career.

Eric Dickerson never won one.

Refs arguement is weak, only time it could apply is if you played a perfect game and lost which could never happen. If you score everytime, stop other team, no penalties, no turnovers, if you didn't do that throw the ref excuse out. Besides the pats were the help with one the biggest blow call in history tuck rule. Even Brady thought game was over because it was a fumble, but I laughed because it was faders.

Keep on ignoring the actual point of my post.

Dungver has ONE more playoff win than KC/SD since Elway retired.

IMO, there is no debate that Romo deserves the MVP.

He has done what no other player has ever been able to achieve in years and years. He has single handedly gotten Terrell Owens to be quiet and move out of the limelight. He is a true American hero.

Johnson tuned out when Vermeil talked

Larry Johnson, appearing in a feature with Cris Carter on HBO’s “Inside the NFL” this week, makes it clear again that he really wasn’t all that interested in playing for Dick Vermeil.

“I wouldn’t pay attention,” Johnson said of playing under Vermeil. “My eyes, I would be up in the sky. You know, I would be sleeping in my locker. I wouldn’t carry my playbook because I was just trying to get away from this building, you know, when Dick was here.”


Carter asked LJ, “Do you think Herm Edwards, being an African-American and you being raised, of course, by an African-American, that you see a lot of similarities in Herm that you saw in your dad that made you open up to him?”

LJ’s response: “I think so. I could relate to Herman. I couldn’t do that with the other coaches I had because they had not done it. You know, they haven’t put those pads or they haven’t been in the situation as a young black athlete and know what we had to go through.

“You know, when we go out, you know, we like to go out. You know, we like to hang out. We like to have fun. But then you got to worry about the guy around the corner with the gun. You got to worry about this girl on the block. You got to worry about, you know, your parents. You got to worry about your homeboys taking advantage of you.

“There’s so much things you got to worry about being a young black athlete. And to be able to have a father like mine and have a coach like Herm, I was able to escape a lot of those realities and find myself in a new ray of light.”

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At least LJ would be winning the only willing to work with black coaches stat. You guys can hang your hat on that one.

No shit it isn't like there is another thread on the subject idiot

I realize i am just a n00b, but can we ban this little turd???

Dumbass, snotnose, fuckface trolls arent allowed in family squabbles.

First off, there's an entire other thread on this topic. Second, it amazes me that only dumbasses such as yourself assume that because Larry didn't like Vermeil it is solely because he is WHITE. Did it ever occur to your puny little brain that he didn't like Vermeil because of Vermeil's PERSONALITY or his ATTITUDE towards Larry?

D*ckwads everywhere hang their little pointy heads in shame whenever Mr. LTforMVP posts.

Then their glasses fall off their noses.

FAX

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=153295

http://asuaf.org/~thatoneguy/idiot.jpg

It is time to pull the plug on this asshole. Mods, please take out the trash.

SAN DIEGO -- When in doubt, talk to the fullback.

Fullbacks are the non-coms of the NFL. They're the ones with the "meat" on their helmets -- you know, grinded-in paint streaks from smashing into an opponent's helmet ... "meat." They're the ones who know better than anyone if the guy running behind them is worth a damn.

San Diego Chargers fullback Lorenzo Neal has thrown his 5-foot-11, 255-pound body into NFL defensive linemen and linebackers for 14 seasons. He has bored holes for Corey Dillon, Eddie George and Warrick Dunn. But ask him about the guy running behind him these days, and Neal almost mists up.

"What he's doing … in 10 years from now when you mention his name, you're going to have to say, 'One of the,' or 'The,'" said Neal, the historian.

If you need help filling in the blanks, Neal meant, "One of the best to play the game," or "The best to play the game." And he meant LaDainian Tomlinson.

Neal gets no argument from me. As he stood in front of his locker a few days ago at Qualcomm Stadium, Neal patiently explained why Tomlinson could one day become the greatest NFL tailback of all time.

• Age: "You've got to realize this guy's 27 years old," said Neal. "He's got five years left." Or maybe more.

• Durability: "I have never seen LT take a big shot," Neal said. "He knows to wiggle … and get down."

• Production: "The numbers don't lie," he said. "He's the fastest guy to 100 touchdowns … He's the complete player. He blocks, is throwing touchdowns … running them in. I had to take some time and say, 'Man, I'm playing with LT.'"

But can he do what Emmitt Smith did? Can he do the impossible? In other words, can he leave the game as the all-time leading rusher and win "Dancing With The Stars?"

"LT," said Neal, whose locker is a few feet away from Tomlinson's, "you going to win 'Dancing With The Stars'"?

Tomlinson smiled and shook his head. He sat down on the wooden locker bench and cuffed the back of his jeans just so. He slipped on his shoes, and then went to work buttoning a long-sleeve shirt with suede cuffs.

Earlier that day against the slowly improving Oakland Raiders, Tomlinson had rushed for 109 yards and two touchdowns, as well as thrown for a touchdown in the 21-14 win. But the Raiders, who now play like an actual NFL team, never made it easy.

Tomlinson had 12 yards at the end of the first quarter, only 26 at halftime. The Raiders tailed him like they were private detectives.

"He's remarkable," said Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer. "When he has the ball in his hands, there are 11 guys in the other uniform running at him."

The 11 guys ran at him when he took a handoff from Philip Rivers with 9:52 left in the game. Tomlinson sprinted to his right, suddenly pulled up and lofted the kind of pass you'd throw to your mom during a game of touch football in the backyard. Nobody was within the length of a Chargers Girl's leg when tight end Antonio Gates caught Tomlinson's soft spiral for the 19-yard, game-tying touchdown.

Tomlinson's description of the Raiders' reaction to Gates breaking free was priceless.

"I think they [said], 'Oh, no,' or maybe, 'Oh,' starts with an S," said Tomlinson, who apparently is allergic to four-letter words.

The reason the play worked is simple: Everybody follows Tomlinson. I'm surprised two Raiders and Al Davis didn't follow him into the stadium tunnel at halftime.

LT has rushed for 1,000-plus yards in each of his first six seasons. Only four other players in the history of the game have done that. He leads the NFL with 24 total touchdowns this season (21 in his last seven games). Four more and he surpasses the previously jaw-dropping total by Shaun Alexander a season ago.

As for eventually moving ahead of Mr. Sparkly Dance Glitter on the all-time rushing list, Tomlinson would have to average about 95 yards per game between now and the fourth game of the 2012 season. That's 105 more games. It's possible, especially since Tomlinson now understands what it takes to survive in this league.

As a rookie, Tomlinson used to purposely take on defenders at the end of a run. "I'd show how much of a man I was," he said.

That was before the great Marshall Faulk talked to Tomlinson during the offseason.

"Sometimes you don't need to take that hit," Faulk told him. "These guys are coming to take you out."

So Tomlinson quit with the Ultimate Warrior stuff and learned the laws of football physics. He said Denver Broncos linebacker Al Wilson "got me a couple of times," but that's about it for monster hits.

Tomlinson cracks me up. There was a play early in the fourth quarter of the Raiders game when Chargers wide receiver Vincent Jackson caught a ball, tossed it forward after the completion, then watched in horror as the Raiders pounced on the "fumble." Except that it wasn't a fumble; it was an illegal forward pass, which meant the Chargers still had the ball.

Tomlinson was nice enough to mention afterward that Jackson, the second-year player from Northern Colorado, yelled, "God is good!" at the Raiders players during the confusion. You want to freak out the Raiders? That'll do it.

A lot of players wouldn't tell you that. Then again, a lot of players wouldn't plead with Chargers offensive tackle Roman Oben not to tell them their rushing totals during a game. "But he always gets it out before I can say, 'Don't tell me,"' said Tomlinson.

And you've got to like a guy who politely humors fantasy leaguers who impolitely inform him of how many yards and TDs they need from him that week.

"They never really say thank you," Tomlinson said.

OK, well then here's a thank you on behalf of everybody else. (And by the way, LT, you're killing the rest of us in our ESPN John Elway Barcalounger fantasy league.) Thanks for not turning a touchdown celebration into a three-part miniseries. Thanks for giving the Chargers a 9-2 record despite a first-year starting quarterback and the four-game suspension of Shawne Merriman. Thanks for not making a liar out of Neal.

"I think that writers and fans and players, I don't think they really realize the significance of what … this guy is doing," Neal said. "I think 20-30 years from now, when you're sitting down at a table, [you'll say], 'Man, I got to write about one of the great ones.'"

Memo to Neal: We won't need 20-30 years.

Gene Wojciechowski is the senior national columnist for ESPN.com. You can contact him at gene.wojciechowski@espn3.com.

What/who is more reeruned?

a) this thread

b) the thread starter

c) Sandy Eggo trolls

d) all of the above

Maybe we should start "The OFFICIAL one-celled organism > LTforMVP thread."

:LOL: :LOL:

Raiduhs > ltmvp.

Both above everyone else in the league. LT has been doing it for 6 years and probably will make hall. LJ has done it for two years and has a few more to go before he is considered an all time great. Right now he is just another J. Anderson, T. Davis type and needs the longevity. Doesn't mean he isnt a good back.

You have Marty and are guaranteed to fail so who gives a crap that you are so in love with Lawrence Taylor.

This cooter fart is still here? Whats taken the mods so long to end this pain and suffering?

Lets go back 20 years. Ya that is classic argument but 3 losing seasons in 3 decades, pretty good.

Both of them are good, LT catches balls(yes those kind of balls also) better, and LJ would work him in a fistfight... So LJ wins, but LT fits in perfectly in the SD. :Peace:

Week 13 UPDATE

Larry Johnson

28 rushes for 110 yards and 2 receptions for 26 yards in a hilarious Chiefs LOSS

LaDanian Tomlinson

28 carries for 178 yards, 3 receptions for 14 yards and 2 TDs in a dominating Chargers WIN

LT currently leads the NFL in:

TDs: 26 (from scrimmage, 28 total, either way he has the most by any NFL player)

Yds from Scrimmage

Rushing Yds.

There is no doubt LT is a great player. But that doesn't change the fact you're a loud mouth POS that probably still lives with your mom and has never had a date.

Hey dick, nobody here really thought LJ was going to beat out LT for MVP, ok? Both these guys are top tier running backs and could start for any team in the league, ok? Congrats on having the 2006 version of Priest Holmes, and enjoy the one and out playoff run the follows Marty everywhere he goes.

Now go fuck yourself.

LT break a leg.

Well, if LT is going to break Shauns TD record (he'll shatter it) at least he's my fantasy RB..;) 12-1 baby!

BUMP

LOL!

Another Troll coming in and gloating after the fact this type of stuff deserves a automatic ban

at least tomlinson has stats to back it up and doesnt care what color hs coach is.

wtf are you talking about?

u dont know? LJ had problems relating to Dick vermeil because he was white. it was all over the press.

HOW ABOUT A GAME OF LUCKY HIT

Is that the sound your LT fat head makes when you secretly take it to your closet and dont come out for a half and hour? Usually when you do come out theres this strange noticable white substance.... hhmmmmm.. Better go use some windex!!!

The mods are what is wrong with this country. You have to be tolerant, you have to let others have thier opinions, you have to let those who don't believe what you believe, be able to convince their opinion and will on you. You are not allowed to call them names and send them home. Your rights are not to be put ahead of the squatters and trolls.

BUMP LOL

LT


+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2001 sdg | 16 | 339 1236 3.6 10 | 59 367 6.2 0 |
| 2002 sdg | 16 | 372 1683 4.5 14 | 79 489 6.2 1 |
| 2003 sdg | 16 | 313 1645 5.3 13 | 100 725 7.2 4 |
| 2004 sdg | 15 | 339 1335 3.9 17 | 53 441 8.3 1 |
| 2005 sdg | 16 | 339 1462 4.3 18 | 51 370 7.3 2 |
| 2006 sdg | 16 | 348 1815 5.2 28 | 56 508 9.1 3 |
| 2007 sdg | 12 | 239 1049 4.4 11 | 50 427 8.5 1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 107 | 2289 10225 4.5 111 | 448 3327 7.4 12 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Seasons among the league's top 10
Rushes: 2001-3, 2002-2, 2004-6, 2005-5, 2006-2, 2007-3
Rushing yards: 2001-9, 2002-2, 2003-3, 2004-7, 2005-6, 2006-1, 2007-3
Rushing TDs: 2001-4t, 2002-5, 2003-6, 2004-1, 2005-3, 2006-1, 2007-1
Receptions: 2003-4
Yards from scrimmage: 2001-9, 2002-3, 2003-1, 2004-5t, 2005-5, 2006-2, 2007-2
Rush/Receive TDs: 2001-10t, 2002-6, 2003-3t, 2004-2, 2005-3, 2006-1, 2007-3t

Among the league's all-time top 50
Rushes: 21
Rushing yards: 22
Rushing TDs: 3
Yards from scrimmage: 25
Rush/Receive TDs: 9t


LJ

+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Rushing | Receiving |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2003 kan | 6 | 20 85 4.2 1 | 1 2 2.0 0 |
| 2004 kan | 10 | 120 581 4.8 9 | 22 278 12.6 2 |
| 2005 kan | 16 | 336 1750 5.2 20 | 33 343 10.4 1 |
| 2006 kan | 16 | 416 1789 4.3 17 | 41 410 10.0 2 |
| 2007 kan | 8 | 158 559 3.5 3 | 30 186 6.2 1 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| TOTAL | 56 | 1050 4764 4.5 50 | 127 1219 9.6 6 |
+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Seasons among the league's top 10
Rushes: 2005-7, 2006-1
Rushing yards: 2005-3, 2006-2
Rushing TDs: 2005-2, 2006-2
Yards from scrimmage: 2005-2, 2006-3
Rush/Receive TDs: 2005-2, 2006-2

Larry Johnson is not in the all-time top 50 in any major category.

Yeaaaaaah...great......

Does it really make you feel good to compare LT to an injured LJ? :spock:

I don't recall you stopping by before the game.

Fornicate your birth origin.

LJ has a nicer car-thats all that really matters.

Wow, talk about old news. LJ? He's last year. Tomlinson may beat out LJ, but he's no Kolby Smith.