I still don't understand the athletic talent argument. How much athletic prowess does it take to execute a rehearsed and choreographed throw move with a sweaty male partner? By that argument, I'll bet you're really impressed by cheerleader pyramids.

I just like round mat wrestling. That's the real deal.

Ok......I'll find a video of a guy do atheletic things in a wrestling ring tell me if you could do it....

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I hate the song but the video proves the point.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I watched about 60 seconds of that stuff before I was forced to turn it off.

Can I fall out of bed doing those things? Absolutely not. But with the same repetitions and rehearsals they have, I'm certain I could - even at my age. A backflip isn't really all that impressive - especially on a mat.

Now here's some athletes!

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If you really think you can do what AJ Styles does just with practice you're reeruned. That would be like saying any scrub could be taught to be a great dancer with practice, either you have it or you don't and it does take talent.

That's still hilarious there are people in the business that can't do what AJ Styles does and you untrained Joe Schmoe thinks with a little practice he can........you should train up then cause he's netting about 200 grand a year.

I don't know let's ask Pink. :)

Backflips dont make you an athlete, FWIW. Neither do steroids. I guess I'm just not as easily impressed as you are.

Wrestling is entertainment, nothing more nothing less.

I have nothing against you or anyone else disliking wrestling....I however do have a problem with you acting like they possess no talent. He was doing much more than just backflips....

To make a post that with a little training you could be as good as a pretty well known highly skilled wrestler is assinine. He's better than 90% of the guys in wrestling and you honestly think you could do that?

My favorite part is where the Local kid from Iowa beats the Iranian Frankenstein for the Gold Medal in the Olympics.

Or down at a local Jr High meet or at in a small gymnasium on a saturday afternoon at a 18 team HS tourn.

He'll be dead at 45 just like all the rest of them.

I wonder if a real fight has ever broken out during a wrestling match. Maybe one guy hit another and didn't get his punch pulled, and the other guy got mad.

That's when the purses start swinging.

Well, I didn't say anything about that dude. I don't even know who he is. I also didn't specify "a little training". I think I said something about equal reps and rehearsal. I'm nothing special, but I have some athletic ability of my own.

More fun rasslin' stuff:

Shane-O Mac is a golden god (SO FAKE HURRRRRR)
Bryan Danielson "toying dickishly" with a lower-carder
Good ol' JR raps!
Ultimate Warrior is Insane
Jericho, Man of 1004 Holds

**** yes.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rjTB...E0F88&index=12

Maybe this will help you understand the deal with ticket prices. Damn scalpers. :mad:

He's been wrestling since 97-98.....The point was even with equal thinking you'd be close to him is thinking alot. He is one of the premier guys as far as ring performance.

That Ultimate Warrior promo doc was awesome. ROFL

Yeah. You're totally right. This stuff is cake.

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Never EVER piss off New Jack.

Well, obviously it's silly to belabor the point because I don't even like watching the stuff, I'm certainly not going to be participating.

The best part of that New Jack video "look at all those poeple dressed up like chairs" everytime I see that I bust up laughing.

New Jack is equal parts hilarious and batshit crazy.

Muddafugga's forehead was all cut up to shit. Man, he's been bled a whole bunch.

Anyone see that video of New Jack beating the shit out of that 70 year old wrestler? The fans were so pissed, they starting throwing out the N word at him....I need to find that vid.

Here we go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kSX8IT87jw

Here's the actual match:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6fK5yziG3o

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I'd post the Mass Transit incident, if necessary. IIRC, New Jack now has brain damage from a spot gone wrong or someone who stiffed the shit out of him about 5 years back.

No thanks, I've never seen that video and really don't have a desire to. I heard the poor fat kid was literally spouting blood from his forehead. New Jack was definitely a guilty pleasure wrestler. He didn't do any moves but was still very fun to watch, with all the shit he'd bring to the ring and the insane dives from the crow's nest at the ECW Arena.

For those that still think pro wrestling takes no talent, sit back and enjoy highlights of possibly the best match of 2006, the Dragon Gate 6-Man from SuperCard of Honor from ROH. ROH put on three shows Wrestlemania weekend in Chicago and blew WWE out of the water with the quality.

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I almost spit soda, literally.

Which is why that crowd was so hostile...

I remember when WWF had that "shoot" tournament. I forget what it was called, but it was basically the league that "Butterbean" fought in. Boxing and whatnot. Anyways, the winner of the tournament got to fight Butterbean. It lasted quite a few weeks and finally a wrestler won it, and got knocked the F out in under 15 seconds by Butterbean. They never did that again - keep it choreographed.

It was called "Brawl for All". A sterling idea for sure.

Here's the next poll...

If you love wrestling, do you also love Olympic Gymnastics?

-and-

If not, what makes wrestling different? The outfits? The oil (oh so, so much oily oil)? The microphones under the "mat" to make it sound so much meaner?

Dude, take a bump on those mats sometime and then talk about how easy it is.

There have been plenty of shoots over the years...

Ah yes. That was hilarious. They wouldn't even talk about it after that happened.

They tried to use it to build up "Dr. Death" Steve Williams as a legitimate badass. He got knocked the F out by some nobody.

The legit tough guys aren't the stars.

They wanted to do a pure shoot tournament but were definitely hoping for certain guys to win/lose. When Bart Gunn (not even near the middle of the card) beat Bradshaw (certified tough guy), they about shit their pants because that's the last thing they wanted to happen. Then Butterbean knocked Gunn silly in like 10 seconds at Wrestlemania.

The best "shoot" moment I've seen recently was in the Mick Foley/Edge feud before Wrestlemania last year. During an interview segment on Raw, Edge punched Foley and he bled all over the place. The one unique thing about it was that Foley wanted it to be completely authentic (no blade job) so he ordered Edge to punch him for real over the eye and the result was perfect. It opened up a huge gash immediately.

It was Bart Gunn. Dr. Death was a character from the 80's mostly in Mid-South Wrestling, IIRC. There's a good interview on youtube of Ted Dibiase in his pre-Million Dollar Man days giving a promo about the heartache he felt after watching the Freebirds spike piledrive Dr. Death's bitch ass onto a concrete floor. ROFL

I get that the rest of you freaks are wrestling dorks but the so-called intellectual 'Hamas' is highly disappointing.

This is highly embarrassing. What if somebody sees me talking to you people?

Back bumping isn't exactly comfortable.......I'm sure the guys that have numerous injuries and surgeries to being wrestlers would love to be thought of as nothing more than oiled up gymnists....

How about Kurt Angle do you think he's just some oiled up guy with no talent?

Remember when Ali got into in the ring with a wrestler? That was low, pretty low.

If wrestling is fake (which it is), what makes you think the injuries and surgeries aren't faked to "legitimize" the "action"?

I'm aware of which ones are fake and which ones are real......

Rey Mysterio wrestled on a torn ACL for 6 months.....Triple H ripped out his quad muscle....I'm sure anyone can be a wrestler and those injuries aren't anything.

I vote for Andy Kaufman.

The injuries are usually real. When they fake an injury in a match/storyline, it's usually due to the fact that the guy needs to go under the knife for something and they are writing an injury into the story to get him offscreen when he has the surgery and rehabilitates. There have been numerous guys get neck fusion surgery because of all the spine-compressing moves they do. Most wrestlers work hurt most of their careers because wrestling may be "fake", but the hell they put their bodies through is most definitely real.

Now I am with Phobia.

There's alot more wrestling fans than you'd ever know.

I have always suspected that, kind of like soccer and hockey. 0 interest here in all of those.

Having watched and XFL game is as close as I have ever come to watching a Pro Wrestling match.

WWE's revenue in fiscal 2006 (from May 2005 to April 2006) was approximately $400 million (US), with a net profit of approximately $47 million. As of August 2006, the company's market capitalization is over $1 billion (US). Its stock is traded on the NYSE as WWE

That should tell you how many people are watching and spending money on wrestling.

There are lots of stupid people in the world.

I've been to wrestling events and football games.......generally there are more morons at football games......there are stupid people everywhere not just smart people are following the NFL.

In reality...how is a wrestling match any different than a piece of literature, or a movie? They are all texts, and they all tell stories.

The biggest difference is the fan base.

FWIW, this might be a good time to delineate the difference btw 'marks' and 'smarts' for the uninformed.

It's a guilty pleasure, but it's nothing to be embarrassed about.

I remember All Star Wrestling with Bull Dog Bob Brown, Chief Jay Strongbow, Superfly, Harley Race-now that was the shit.

Mecca,

If you have time and the inclination, I suggest you check out "Sex, Lies, and Headlocks". It's a bit of an uneven read, but a decent history of the business up until Vince bought out Turner.

I've read that....along with most wrestling books even though most of them kinda suck.

And obviously I'm much more of a smark than a mark.

The mat is made of sweet tarts, and the ropes are made of licorice!

THIS IS FAKE!!!!!!!

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You act like the world of wrestling is shrouded in mystery, which is true only if you're paying no attention to it whatsoever. Paying no attention to it whatsoever is not a problem in the least, unless you like to make completely inaccurate claims about it. Then you just end up looking like a clueless blowhard.

We know Angle's injuries are real, not only because reliable sources reported on them but because WWE (A) released him because they were afraid he would die in the ring if he kept going at the rate he was going, and (B) had no storyline reasons whatsoever to fake them. We know Triple H really did blow out his quad because (A) it's happened before, and (B) sidelining one of the three most over (that's "popular") guys on the roster for 8-10 months while he's helping move an incredible amount of merchandise, for no reason whatsoever, goes well beyond WWE's admittedly huge realm of stupidity.

John Cena's "ruptured spleen" is a work, and we know it's a work. We're not three years old.

Nobody thinks the finishes are anything but predetermined. Nobody thinks these guys really hate each other (well, some do, but that's another issue entirely). We know they're not REALLY beating each other to within an inch of their lives (that is not to say, however, that it's "fake" in the sense that some moves don't hurt and some people don't get seriously injured; to suggest otherwise is completely ignorant).

I watch wrestling because... it's fun. That's why I watched Cheap Seats or Mystery Science Theater 3000. Sure, I knew they weren't REALLY coming up with all of those jokes on the fly, but it was still hilarious. I know Kiefer Sutherland's not ACTUALLY Superman, just like I know John Cena is not actually some superhuman douchebag who thinks he's a marine. That doesn't make it any less enjoyable, because it's, get this, entertainment. Just because you might not understand why it's entertaining to see Randy and Jason riff on Superjocks/Superdogs or Jack Bauer save LA from a nuke doesn't mean the people who enjoy those forms of entertainment are drooling reeruns. The characters and stories in wrestling, when done well, can be very involving; and when done poorly, they can be equally entertaining in a "What the Christ?!" kind of way.

For ****'s sake, you like to watch grown men run around playing a game and pretending they actually care about how much it means to the fans. Who are you to talk?

You said work......75% of the board probably has no idea what the term work means to wrestling.

It's like this as was once said a long time ago. To those who believe no explantation is needed to those who don't no explanation is good enough

Kevin Nash administers psychological testing

PCS Push-Up Challenge

Lethal: "Why do I have to go first?"
Nash: "'Cause you're black."

PCS Limbo Challenge

If you wanna check out something interesting.........here's Rob Van Dam on OTR, it's a Canadian sports show. He is not in character and he candidly discusses things.

Part 1

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Part 2

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Part 3

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The bad perception wrestling gets is because of the fans. I took my girlfriend to a show once and it was nothing but fat, inbred, hick looking freaks - it was like a cross between the worst stereotype of wrestling fans and nascar fans that you can think of combined to the tenth power.

It totally made me realize why people make fun of wrestling, and why as a wrestling fan, I find myself hating most other wrestling fans - because more often than not, wrestling fans are all those dumb fat jackoffs who sit at home and bitch about "workrate" and all this other stupid shit. I mean just imagine a guy that looks like Patton Oswalt sitting at a computer screen writing a 1,000 word thesis on why Kurt Angle is overrated and some jap nobody's heard of has the best workrate in the world. It's quite pathetic when you think about it.

With that said, I love wrestling.

I agree with pretty much all of that.......I've been to a ton of shows and well that is mostly true. Although going to a football game isn't really any better.......there's just alot of people out there like that in general.

This is especially true of Chiefs games. I'd love to know how many more mullets per capita there are at a Chiefs game than at your average NFL stadium.

Well I guess that all depends.......Phobia thinks I have a mullet....

At this point, "mullet" seems to mean about as much as "emo."

Any one see the 'Taker v HBK final at the Royal Rumble last night?

When Undertaker won I was marking like a little bitch, like I was in 6th grade again.

I would like to see Taker get the strap one more time before he retires. (Which he should do. Retire, that is. Soon.) One thing I don't want to have happen is for Taker to put Batista over at Wrestlemania 23. I'm fine with his streak ending to put a young talent over, but Batista isn't deserving of that honor.

Now that's some interesting booking. I agree with you. There's no point of having the Undertaker end his WM streak to put over a guy like Batista who #1 is old, yet still green, #2 is a stiff, #3 needs roids to be imposing, and #4 shows no respect to the bid'ness.

Yup. There is no one in the WWE ready to make the jump to elite that's worth a damn, imo.

Maybe 'Taker comes over to Raw tonight and starts a story leading up to Taker/Cena at WM23?

But then Taker would job to Cena, and I would cry bitter tears.

Wrestling is about as entertaining as Jerry Springer, minus the crackwhores.

I really doubt that Taker is going to go for the Raw title. He may, but he better stay on Smack Down seeing as I am going to the SD show on Feb 20.

Taker beats Batista after carrying him to a solid match. He celebrates, holding the belt aloft. The lights go out, and when they return, he's gone. The belt is in the center of the ring.

SEEYOUNEXTWEEKONTHUNDEREVERYBODY

That plant that they just brought up to give away Vince's photo to was fucking nails.

Im not sure what that means, but thanks for ruining it for me.

They brought in a girl from the audience...she was hot as fuck...in a natural way (non WWE).

So was that what they meant by Fan Appreciation week?

Max Bretos... WTF?!

I would literally masturbate immediately. I can think of no better ending for Mark's career than to win the strap and disappear. (I'm such an effing 'Taker mark it makes me sick. I always have been.)

Unfortunately, it looks as if my little thought about 'Taker going after Cena's WWE belt is going to happen. Undertaker showed up at the very end of RAW and stared down Cena, who had just won the tag title w/ HBK, who had tried to SCM him after the match.

WAO NOES!!! HUH TRIPPLE THREAT @ WM23?!?

Holy shit.

It's a possible drag out of seeing what he picks......we'll see if he's on Smackdown too...

If Taker faces Cena........Cena's going to win.