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Hydrae 05-21-2007 09:35 AM
I still think we should just make cars self guiding anyway. We have the technology (or at least close) to do this now. Then you don't have to worry about accidents, drunk drivers, people on cell phones, sleepy drivers, etc. Besides that way I can take a nap on the way to work in the morning! :)

crazycoffey 05-21-2007 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Hydrae
I still think we should just make cars self guiding anyway. We have the technology (or at least close) to do this now. Then you don't have to worry about accidents, drunk drivers, people on cell phones, sleepy drivers, etc. Besides that way I can take a nap on the way to work in the morning! :)


Awesome Idea, I love it.

Mr. Laz 05-21-2007 09:50 AM
i think the law is crap


we should have the right to "risk injury" if we choose to.

ROYC75 05-21-2007 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DenverChief
still got the flat badge? :D Er I mean Retirement badge?
Nope, gave it up in 1983, small town politics, again, a cop could do no right, no matter how good of a job he did. Wasn't worth the disrespect I took for doing my job.........

Eleazar 05-21-2007 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Laz
i think the law is crap


we should have the right to "risk injury" if we choose to.
Generally I agree, but I can see a basis for it in a way since everyone's insurance costs affect everyone else.

mikeyis4dcats. 05-21-2007 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by old_geezer
I've said it before and I'll say it again - The government has no business or right (IMO) to fine me for not wearing a seatbelt. Great; they can warn me that it's safer with one on and maybe even that they'd like me to wear one, but that's it.

The only person I'm putting at risk is myself - let me make that decision. Screw big overbearing government. If they want to fine everyone for participating in risky ventures how about going into a bar and fining everyone with a beer in their hand? or everyone who's smoking? How about anybody having sex? That can lead to all sorts of deseases.

I could go on and on but the bottom line is I want minimum government interference in my life - not Big Brother looking over my shoulder for "my own good". And FYI I do wear my seatbelt. I just don't think they should be able to fine me if I choose not to. :cuss
since taxpayers may have to foot your bill for medical costs if you are injured in an accident and unable to provide for your own care or to raise your kids if you die in an accident, they can do whatever is necessary. I want you to wear your seatbelt too, so health care costs go down.

bkkcoh 05-21-2007 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
The local news reported the next two weeks, starting tomorrow, the cops will be looking for seat belt violations. Especially pickups they said as those drivers are the biggest offenders of this asinine law. The ad said officers write tickets to save lives. Yeah, right!!

And they get 85 - 100 dollars per ticket.


Cops, to protect and serve and raise revenues...

luv 05-21-2007 12:10 PM
Eh. Old people don't drive fast enough to get seriously injured anyway. :p

bkkcoh 05-21-2007 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cochise
Generally I agree, but I can see a basis for it in a way since everyone's insurance costs affect everyone else.

If the insurance companies had an out not to pay if the injured wasn't wearing a seat belt..... and the injured party would have to be liable for payment. Granted, it would never truly happen, but..

luv 05-21-2007 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Is your mom badgirl, by any chance?
Now that's just cruel.

BIG_DADDY 05-21-2007 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.
since taxpayers may have to foot your bill for medical costs if you are injured in an accident and unable to provide for your own care or to raise your kids if you die in an accident, they can do whatever is necessary. I want you to wear your seatbelt too, so share holder revenue goes up as well.
Fixed it for you.

StcChief 05-21-2007 12:51 PM
Just wear the seat belt. Seen too many wrecks where a seat belt would have saved lives.

convict1983 05-21-2007 12:53 PM
Just wear your seatbelt morons. Are some of you so fat that you cant fit it around your huge gut? I really dont care if you dont wear one. Its all gravy to me, but dont be crying when your face gets plastered into the dashboard.

Bob Dole 05-21-2007 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by fightclub1983
Just wear your seatbelt morons. Are some of you so fat that you cant fit it around your huge gut?
That's not even an excuse, unless you drive certain foreign car makes.

http://www.ifisher.com/getbelts.htm

Mile High Mania 05-21-2007 12:59 PM
Of all things to bitch about... wear a seatbelt. I guess you hate helmet laws for bikes as well. I have no sympathy for the person on the bike that says "screw helmets" and then cracks his cranium wide open after a wreck.

BIG_DADDY 05-21-2007 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fightclub1983
Just wear your seatbelt morons. Are some of you so fat that you cant fit it around your huge gut? I really dont care if you dont wear one. Its all gravy to me, but dont be crying when your face gets plastered into the dashboard.
I guess this your attempt at trying to be Mr. Harcore or something?

BIG_DADDY 05-21-2007 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Of all things to bitch about... wear a seatbelt. I guess you hate helmet laws for bikes as well. I have no sympathy for the person on the bike that says "screw helmets" and then cracks his cranium wide open after a wreck.

Insurance companies should rule the world.

bkkcoh 05-21-2007 01:06 PM
https://www.seatbeltbags.com/Images/store_menu.jpg

Seatbelts women would love to have.

Mile High Mania 05-21-2007 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
Insurance companies should rule the world.
Actually, common sense should reign supreme.

You've seen nasty accidents... you know what happens to your unprotected head if you're traveling 60 mph on a bike and you collide with anything.

Same goes for a car and someone not wearing a seatbelt. Yes, there are times when you hear "He might not have survived had he worn his seatbelt". But, those are rare.

Those are just facts and I know it doesn't jive with your insurance companies rant... but, that's ok.

crazycoffey 05-21-2007 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Of all things to bitch about... wear a seatbelt. I guess you hate helmet laws for bikes as well. I have no sympathy for the person on the bike that says "screw helmets" and then cracks his cranium wide open after a wreck.

It's hard to have sympathy for such stupidity, but I would rather work an accident with people wearing seatbelts or helmets than work one they didn't.

bkkcoh 05-21-2007 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Actually, common sense should reign supreme.

....

But you know, common sense aint that common.

luv 05-21-2007 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bkkcoh
https://www.seatbeltbags.com/Images/store_menu.jpg

Seatbelts women would love to have.
:spock:

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Newsflash: The government does spend a significant amount of money encouraging the use of condoms.
But do they fine you if you are caught not wearing one? :hmmm:

luv 05-21-2007 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen
But do they fine you if you are caught not wearing one? :hmmm:
Is it a law to wear one?

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Carlson the Bugeater
Because there are a large number of thick-headed mouth breathers out there that either don't understand why they should do it, or just plain don't give a shit. Why should the responsible people have to help pay for them?
Why can't the insurance companies charge higher rates for people who don't wear seat belts? You know, like they do for other high risk insurees such as smokers. Sure, if you say you do wear it on your sign up forms but actually don't wear it, you have beaten that system. But they could have it on the sign up forms that if you get a traffic violation or are in a traffic accident with no seatbelt, you will pay a penalty on your insurance.

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Of all things to bitch about... wear a seatbelt. I guess you hate helmet laws for bikes as well. I have no sympathy for the person on the bike that says "screw helmets" and then cracks his cranium wide open after a wreck.
Just FTR, I always wear my seatbelt in the car and wear a bike helmet on my bike. ;)

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by luv
Is it a law to wear one?

Yes. There are also other laws in some places that are stupid. Like spitting on the sidewalk is a crime.

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:30 PM
I think Skip is an idiot just like a lot of you guys. After all, this is the same guy that would not go see the doctor after he had what sounded like a stroke or something. But I don't believe in gov't micromanaging like this.

Bugeater 05-21-2007 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Laz
i think the law is crap


we should have the right to "risk injury" if we choose to.
That's fine if you feel that way, as long as you're willing to pay for your medical bills out of your own pocket.

luv 05-21-2007 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen
Yes. There are also other laws in some places that are stupid. Like spitting on the sidewalk is a crime.
Wearing a condom is the law? I wonder how many guys have broke that one.

Mile High Mania 05-21-2007 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by luv
Wearing a condom is the law? I wonder how many guys have broke that one.
The law or the condom?

luv 05-21-2007 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
The law or the condom?
ROFL

I was thinking the law.

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by luv
Wearing a condom is the law? I wonder how many guys have broke that one.
Condom? Get your mind out of the gutter, girl.
:shake:

BIG_DADDY 05-21-2007 01:42 PM
I think we should impliment mandatory helmut and knee pad laws as well. You can't be too careful.

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
I think we should impliment mandatory helmut and knee pad laws as well. You can't be too careful.
What are the knee pads for? :hmmm: :D

Bugeater 05-21-2007 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen
Why can't the insurance companies charge higher rates for people who don't wear seat belts? You know, like they do for other high risk insurees such as smokers. Sure, if you say you do wear it on your sign up forms but actually don't wear it, you have beaten that system. But they could have it on the sign up forms that if you get a traffic violation or are in a traffic accident with no seatbelt, you will pay a penalty on your insurance.
It's funny you bring up smokers, because as a smoker I've endured huge hikes in cigarette taxes because of the tobacco lawsuit and subsequent settlement a few years back. Supposedly, these additional taxes are to help pay for smoking related illnesses. Fair enough, I know it's risky behavior and I haven't complained about the additional cost. There's no reason those who don't smoke should have to pay for any smoking related illnesses I may come down with. It shouldn't be any different for those who choose not to wear their seatbelts.

Bob Dole 05-21-2007 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen
What are the knee pads for? :hmmm: :D
Wouldn't want anyone to get even the most minor boo-boo, especially if they're not on their own property.

You just can't be too careful with your epidermis these days, and by gawd if it gets abraded, someone is going to need to pay for the damage!

Bob Dole 05-21-2007 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Carlson the Bugeater
It's funny you bring up smokers, because as a smoker I've endured huge hikes in cigarette taxes because of the tobacco lawsuit and subsequent settlement a few years back. Supposedly, these additional taxes are to help pay for smoking related illnesses. Fair enough, I know it's risky behavior and I haven't complained about the additional cost. There's no reason those who don't smoke should have to pay for any smoking related illnesses I may come down with. It shouldn't be any different for those who choose not to wear their seatbelts.
What about the innocent victims who are struck by unrestrained bodies being flung from moving automobiles? Who's going to take care of the victims?

BIG_DADDY 05-21-2007 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lzen
What are the knee pads for? :hmmm: :D
Her ROFL

Bugeater 05-21-2007 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY
I think we should impliment mandatory helmut and knee pad laws as well. You can't be too careful.
Usually when people start making wild exaggerations I assume they've conceded their side of the argument. It's called Bugeater's Law.

Lzen 05-21-2007 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Carlson the Bugeater
It's funny you bring up smokers, because as a smoker I've endured huge hikes in cigarette taxes because of the tobacco lawsuit and subsequent settlement a few years back. Supposedly, these additional taxes are to help pay for smoking related illnesses. Fair enough, I know it's risky behavior and I haven't complained about the additional cost. There's no reason those who don't smoke should have to pay for any smoking related illnesses I may come down with. It shouldn't be any different for those who choose not to wear their seatbelts.
Touche'. I hadn't really thought about that. I guess because that really doesn't affect me. I quit smoking cigarettes when I was 21(after 6 years). I'm very glad I did, though. Not just for the better health but also for all that money that goes down the drain.

BIG_DADDY 05-21-2007 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Carlson the Bugeater
Usually when people start making wild exaggerations I assume they've conceded their side of the argument. It's called Bugeater's Law.
ROFL There's a shocker, more laws.

Saulbadguy 09-27-2007 02:27 PM
I just took a defensive driving course taught by a Kansas Highway Patrolman. He said he has done around 3700+ collision reports in over 25 years in the business, and out of the fatal ones he's done, he's only had to unbuckle 2 seatbelts. One guy was impaled by a piece of lumber, and the other ran in to an armored vehicle and was decapitated.

You'd have to be a reerun to get in a car and not wear your seatbelt.

Skip Towne 09-27-2007 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
I just took a defensive driving course taught by a Kansas Highway Patrolman. He said he has done around 3700+ collision reports in over 25 years in the business, and out of the fatal ones he's done, he's only had to unbuckle 2 seatbelts. One guy was impaled by a piece of lumber, and the other ran in to an armored vehicle and was decapitated.

You'd have to be a reerun to get in a car and not wear your seatbelt.
You believe a cop? You know how they lie.

Saulbadguy 09-27-2007 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
You believe a cop? You know how they lie.
This guy was pretty cool. He wouldn't lie.

CoMoChief 09-27-2007 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
This guy was pretty cool. He wouldn't lie.
All cops lie.

That being said people need to wear their seatbelts. But I do not believe you need to be ticketed for not doing so. It should be at the driver's discretion whether or not he wears one.

JMO.

Skip Towne 09-27-2007 03:06 PM
It should be a matter of choice. I've been driving for 50 years without one and miraculously I'm still here.

Saulbadguy 09-27-2007 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief
All cops lie.

That being said people need to wear their seatbelts. But I do not believe you need to be ticketed for not doing so. It should be at the driver's discretion whether or not he wears one.

JMO.
In Kansas it's a secondary violation, meaning you can't get pulled over for just not wearing your seatbelt. Plus it's only 30 bucks. North Carolina fines a driver $150 for not wearing their seatbelt, and it's a primary violation.

Saulbadguy 09-27-2007 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip Towne
It should be a matter of choice. I've been driving for 50 years without one and miraculously I'm still here.
Yeah but unlike the rest of us, if you died, no one would care.

Adept Havelock 09-27-2007 03:16 PM
I've worn one ever since it kept me from going out the windshield.

Instead, just a wicked concussion from the door frame. Which explains quite a bit, I think...

Skip Towne 09-27-2007 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy
Yeah but unlike the rest of us, if you died, no one would care.
Then why do you keep running your yap?


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