Good call, I remember that now.

But at 36 years old he had to think the end was coming in the next couple of years.....

Trent appears to be in denial.

Frankie, I swear I will drink your blood and those of your children if you post another cynical infidel sentence. You have offended all the true believers in the Chiefs and if I were to see you face to face I would strike you down. God willing.

One would think...

...but I believe he got a bit of a slap in the face there...then they fire Shea...

...he was used to being in the know, and having his opinion valued...that's the Vermeil effect. Reality bites... :shrug:

Bingo.

:shake:

Are there ANY "vermiel guys" who didn't turn into substandard performing-whining bidges after DV left?

Gonzo? Eddie? Maybe that's about it...

What? I just want to speak to him in a language he understands.

You and what Army?
:p

I'm sure they'll care about his opinion on everything in Miami.

Actually me and the FBI. We've been watching you for months. :)

STALKER!

I would have loved to hear that answer, especially if someone would have stepped up and asked him he felt that a starting QB was worth more or less then Dante Hall? Since we were able to get a 5th for him...

Plus I guess I would ask if he was insulted when they only offered a 6 for him.

Someone has to keep the Jiz and the rest of the bed wetters safe.

I find it silly that he had a PC. That shows HOW desperate he is... ****'em its business. We never won shit with him - so ****'em. Sit back and make your money - and shut the **** up.

BY THE WAY - anyone see that Johnnie Morton is fighting MMA?

He "enjoys" Chiefs football as much as Hammas "enjoys" Cards baseball.

:clap: Well said! I personally would like to see Trent as the starter in KC this coming season. I think he still has what it takes to win a lot of football games. Even with the concussion he suffered last year. I think if he goes through all the camps/ota's he will be back in form on opening day. I would hate to see Trent in Miami or any other uniform!!!!

So what happened in the presser? He complained about the way Terry got fired?

The reason he's complaining is that Terry was the scapegoat for the shitty offensive performance this year. Next year, Solari better watch his ass. Dick Curl is the man when it comes to the offense these days.

I don't know man, with all the rambling hogwash going on, I have no idea which way is up right about now.

All I know is we had an OC with absolutely no experience calling plays in the NFL, that's a very easy problem to recognize. My own opinion is that Trent came back too soon and I also think the play calling was shaky at the very least.

Yep, jumped on the CHIEFS bandwagon about 38 years ago. Trent deserves all the criticism he gets, **** him. He is the one that undermined every thing he accomplished with the Chiefs, by being a whiny bitch on that interview. **** him and **** the Dolphins.

Shit I was gone for a couple of hours and all hell breaks loose.

So what did Trent actually say?

How many Chiefs' QBs had the line that the Chiefs did?

Trent is a system QB. He's smart because he's made millions of dollars being a system guy. He's Alvin Harper next to Irvin, he's Brett Perriman next to Herman Moore. Take Trent Green out of the Martz system and you see what type of QB he is.

I'm really, really shocked that you would take the fact that the Chiefs want to get rid of a 37-year old QB, who has a scrambled brain, as a slam on Herm. Who would have thought that the broken record would do so?

I respect what Trent did for the time he was here, but I have a big problem with him trying to dictate where he wants to play when he made all of his money because of the Chiefs - not because he's some genius QB. He was the QB he was because of the line he had.

If Brodie Croyle had Willie Roaf, Waters, Shields all performing at an optimal level, he would easily throw for 3,500 yards and 20 TDs.

I hope when Trent leaves town, you decide to leave this board.

He said he wanted the Chiefs to be horrible just so Herm could be gone.

He's a ****ing liar.

Nope, I am here and staying here....

Why would I leave when you are providing such quality entertainment?


By the way, solid post.

told you guys!!!

Hootie, you are the man!

Now predict how many TD's and Yards Huard will throw for this year in the SuperBowl.

It's up to Herm to build a line like that.

Heh.

I just found out the deal on the "press conference." He got there, and the media asked him if he'd answer some questions, so he did. He didn't even know they were going to interview him when he went in today. What a "press conference."

I'm gonna jump on the Reerun_KC on ignore bandwagon...

Scapegoat...gimme a break.

That sucks dude. You post some pretty good stuff..

Well Cheers!

Don't take it personal Reerun Cochise is having his monthly and he's got real bad cramps.

I dont, I get ignored and un-ignored all the time...

Hell I have people on my ignore list...

No biggie... The Bad Guy found his way back on my list agian....

Good. If Solari's play calling is as unimaginative and predictable this year as it was last year, his ass should be packing.

Rerun is the most football-butthurt on the board.

Its like watching jaz if jaz if CP were republican or Recxjake if Carl owned Honda.

That was funny


WTF did you just say?

You bitch....ALOT.

He said Jaz is a liberal and Rex don't like Hondas. Pretty simple really.

Ah okay.. Yeah nothing better to do right now then waste time at work and jump on here to stir up the pot...

Its all good...

Thanks HemiEd....

I guess the question is was he actually the scapegoat or was it an issue that he didn't agree with the way the O was heading, and was let go because Herm wanted more 3 yard runs?

Trent should have a pc in miami telling them to pony up a 4th or 5th round pick ROFL

That's a good point. Maybe scapegoat isn't the right word. Maybe it's just that he was the last vestige of the old offense. I know that he's the only one that knew WTF was going on when it came to the passing game. Doesn't matter, though, the offense will be entirely revamped this year. Totally new terminology and an extremely "simple" offense that "anyone" can understand. My understanding was that there was no support or desire to really learn or install the actual offense from the years before.

I doubt it will be completely new terminology.

In Greens first PC it was brought up and he said that he thought it was more than fair since Randy Moss, Darrell Jackson both went for 4th round picks and they were a lot younger than he is.

Green says he's done with the Chiefs
5/22/2007, 7:38 p.m. EDT
By DOUG TUCKER
The Associated Press

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Angry and frustrated because his deal with Miami has been held up, Trent Green practiced with Kansas City on Tuesday while insisting he has no plans to ever play for the Chiefs again.

It's a situation the two-time Pro Bowl quarterback finds very uncomfortable.

"It's not only awkward for me and my family, but it's awkward for the guys in the weight room, in the locker room, on the practice field," he said. "I'm here every day. People ask, 'What's going on?' Guys don't know how to react to me, how to treat me."

Green, who turns 37 in July, was one of the NFL's most productive quarterbacks from 2001-05, but sustained a severe concussion in the opener last season and did not play well when he returned for the second half of the year. He had three turnovers in a lopsided playoff loss to Indianapolis.

When he was asked in February by Chiefs president Carl Peterson to restructure his contract and take a reduced role, he asked for permission to find another team.

Miami worked out a contract with Green, but the Chiefs and Dolphins have been at odds over compensation, with Miami offering a sixth-round draft choice and Peterson insisting on a fourth-round pick.

The standoff has escalated with Green's agent saying Green would not play for the Chiefs again. Peterson fired right back, saying he was prepared to keep the veteran as a backup and pay his guaranteed $7.2 million this year.

Head coach Herm Edwards has said several times that he would give second-year man Brodie Croyle every chance to seize the job. He also said as recently as Monday that the competition between Green, Croyle and Damon Huard would be fair, that everybody would be given the same opportunity to win the job.

"He's always very careful to put a disclaimer at the end and say, 'But everybody's going to be equal, everybody's going to have the same number of reps,'" Green said. "He's the head coach. He can do what he wants.

"But I've been in the league long enough and when you see those comments over the course of several months and you see the way the reps are going to work out, and you see what Brodie's making, what Damon was re-signed for and what I'm making, it's not a fair competition. It's a weighted competition."


If a deal is not worked out, would he retire before staying with the Chiefs, especially as a backup?

"I really haven't had that discussion with my wife or my family and I haven't had that discussion with my agent because I'm still banking on the fact that the deal that was made back in February or March, that they would get the trade done," he said. "I guess when that time comes, then I'll have to cross that bridge."

At Miami, Green would probably serve as a caretaker while the Dolphins groom John Beck of Brigham Young, who was selected in the second round of last month's draft.

There has been speculation Miami will trade or release Daunte Culpepper, who is still hobbled by a 2005 knee injury. Culpepper played only four games last season and has yet to receive medical clearance to participate in minicamp next month.

Miami head coach Cam Cameron was Green's quarterback coach at Washington, and Terry Shea, Green's longtime quarterback coach in Kansas City who was fired at the end of the season, has also wound up with the Dolphins.

Green said the Dolphins had not promised he would start.

"They haven't said, 'You're the guy, come right in,'" he said. "They haven't told me one way or another. I just know I would have a much more fair chance, for my mind. Because here, it's obviously weighted."

The Chiefs have two more practices this week and then three next week before a mandatory three-day minicamp June 1-3. Green said if he's not in Miami, he will take part.

"Players and coaches alike have come up to me and said, 'We support you. What's going on is wrong,'" he said. "I've had to step back because I don't even know my role. There's an awkwardness there."


Saw this on chiefscoalition.
http://www.mlive.com/sportsflash/top...st=&thispage=1

So when the Dolphins make him a backup next year, is he going to whine like a bitch then too?

WTF is Trent's problem? Is he really that upset that he hasn't been guaranteed the starting job in KC? That for the first time in 6 years he has to earn the job? What a pussy. Why doesn't he just step up to the competition and win the damn job? Is he really afraid he can't compete with Croyle and/ or Huard? What an embarrassment.

I would love to see that!

I feel so bad for Trent that his workplace is awkward. That must be really tough. And can you imagine the stress of having to wait until the last minute to buy your mansion in Miami? How does his family cope with all of these difficulties?

But it's weighted! :deevee:

I get the general feeling that nobody on the O side of the ball is very happy. Waters doesn't sound please, Wiegmann seems to hate the fact that they are moving away from a wide open offense. Heck, even Will Shields made a comment about it after he retired.

So far Herm has yet to prove that he knows anything about running an offense. Hell, I honestly felt better about the offense with Gun in charge, at least he tried to look at what kind of Offenses gave him the most problems, and tried to build his offense that way. But heck, we are talking about Herm, the man who hired Hackett even after the all conservative Marty couldn't take it any longer.

We still may come out of it okay, and maybe we will make some trips to the playoff's. We may, but this could be very painful to watch.

Herm is just doing what he can with what he has. We don't have the players to run that offense anymore. Larry isn't versatile enough. We don't have the receivers. Our coordinator isn't experienced enough in it.

Our talent matches the profile of a smashmouth offense. Think the 1986 Giants or 2000 Ravens.

You were what...4 years old when the '86 Giants played? What an amazing memory you have. Or are you just regurgitating what you read again?

As I've tried to explain to you repeatedly, it has nothing to do with not being guaranteed a starting job. It has to do with the unspoken truth (no matter what BS Carl blows up the media's ass) that he won't be on the Chiefs roster at the start of the season. He knows this. Carl knows this. Miami knows this. Herm knows this. It was made crystal clear earlier in the offseason, even if the official line was that they just wanted him to restructure. Even if the new official line is that they may want to pay him his full contract. The only people that are misguided enough to think that he'll actually be on the Chiefs roster are the fans that hold on to some hope that he'll be there for whatever reason. As such, them holding onto him is, yes, screwing the Dolphins and making the Chiefs look like hardasses that don't screw around when it comes to negotiating. But it's also screwing Trent in that he knows come regular season, he's going to be looking for a new team. As such, he's pissed and doing what he can to land himself in a good situation for the upcoming season. I'm sorry that he doesn't live up to your high minded ideas of what an NFL player should do or be, but he's looking out for himself and his family, because he doesn't want to be looking for a new team come August.

Trent Green has been a model citizen and a good Chief, who lead some exciting offenses in the past. I think his whining hurts his image and its unfortunate that things are shaking out this way.

Very true... Honestly living out of market, I dont see it, hear it and only read what is posted on the planet...

Sucks to see such a stellar legacy in KC be tarnished by this crap Trent and Carl are pulling.... We should be so lucky that anyone is offering any type of pick for a QB that is 37 and scrabbled...

Carl just needs to get this done. He, like Trent, is looking like a douche as well...

His problem is he was told told they were going away from him....then told he'd be traded by draft day and wasn't.........

If you were in his spot you'd be pissed off too........

It just blows my mind that some people really think he should just sit there and act like "golly gee I guess I shouldn't say or do anything" he's doing what anyone in his spot would do.......actually some guys would do alot worse.

Well I could think of 7 million reasons to be happy...

If the Chiefs cut him, we will be hosed with the cap space, plus I am sure someone will pick him up.. He only has 2 years left anyway...

then why isn't he mad at Miami? they refused to trade for him....sorry, but you give away players in the NFL....I don't care about his feelings...he gets paid millions for his feelings....


this is Miami's problem....until the offer something, Green is a chief...

Maybe he isn't thrilled with them but it makes little sense to say much when that team doesn't have the power to move you......

All of the moves he can realistically make to force hands are between him and the Chiefs.

he has no leverage with the Chiefs...

Chiefs will hold him till the last day possible - as they should - unless Miami decides to actually offer something fair and reasonable, as they should...

Trent's opinion on any of it is irrelevant...and no one on the team is losing any sleep over it....

Well.......I don't think Trent's worth as much as Randy Moss is.......

I think some people are a little overzealous about what his worth really is......

Yikes! I forgot we still have nolearny as OC this year... CHIT! At least he can't call that wr screen 3 yards in the backfield to Hall 10 times a game.. :shake: Damn, now i'm depressed, Solari absolutely sucked.

A 6th-rounder and a swap of 3rds would have been VERY reasonable. Too bad Miami refused.

Randy Moss is an entirely different deal. He has a lot of baggage that Trent doesn't have.

Do you think he is worth more then Sims, Dante, or Tynes?

Is that a trick question?

If the Chiefs cut him or trade him, the same cap penalty applies.

And that's the problem with athletes.

If I'm told that I have to either relocate somewhere like Cleveland or I'd lose my job, I'd relocate to Cleveland.

But Trent wants to hold all the cards.

He makes 7.2 freaking million dollars this year. He's made more money than his grandkids, grandkid's kids will ever need and he wants to act like a bitch.

I don't know what dilluted world you live in, but the Chiefs shouldn't just ****ing give this guy away.

The one where he's always right and EVERYONE else is always wrong.

Haven't you been paying attention around here?

Because Carl is the arrogant one here. He told Green to go out and find a team that you could play for and then Carl would take care of the rest. In all honesty Green isn't worth more than a 6th round pick. He's 37yrs old, mobility is waay out of the question, he plays scared, he is a system QB that played well behind one of the greatest Olines this league has ever seen with a great running game and arguably the best TE in NFL history. Without that Green isn't anything more than an avg NFL QB. Coming off a bad concussion injury let alone his age completely lowers his value.

There's no precedent for giving someone a starting QB for a 6th-round pick. None whatsoever.

Joe Montana was coming off a major injury and hadn't done shit since, I dunno, 1991? 1990? We gave up a friggin FIRST-ROUNDER for him.

But he wasn't 37 years old.....


:rolleyes:

Dammit.

No one took the bait.......

:banghead:

.......I'm sure I'm the only one who posts like that..........

NewChief,
The Chiefs asked Trent to restructure his contract and Trent declined. Trent then asked to be traded because he wants to be a starter in a system he knows. Until it can be proven otherwise I will maintain that Trent could have restructured and remained in KC and been in nearly the same scenario he will be in Miami- a chance to start this year but not next. What is the difference? Certainly not a chance to win the SuperBowl. A chance to start? I think he would have had that here although I know that point is debatable. Well, guess what- the starter's position is not guaranteed in Miami, either, or they would have offered more than a throw-away pick to acquire Trent. Familiarity with the system and the OC? Sorry, but at this stage in Trent's career he is in no position to be choosy. If Trent is in fact worth only a late round pick (Trent himself said that is his value) then he should also realize that 6th round picks don't get to choose where they go. He should additionaly realize the difficulty normal people have sympathizing with a millionaire who doesn't get exactly what he wants, when he wants it.

Where was all of this trashing when Trent was throwing for 4000 yards, being a stellar leader waiting for the defense that never showed up. There was no complaining, no calling him a "whiney bitch" and all of this BS that goes on around here. Even if you don't agree with his stance in this situation, He and the Chiefs front office are in a chess match. When it's all said and done, I'll still be all chief, wearing my jersey on Sundays and I'll also be a Trent Green fan. The planet will always be the planet filled with some good comments but primarily easy chair general managers and head coaches who really don't know their butt from a hole in the ground as far as football business. These guys all know what they're doing, we've got no choice but to ride it out. I wish him totally the best. If the Chiefs don't make the SB, I would seriously love for Trent to make it. Neither will probably happen, but oh well.

If I knew that I was in the last few years of my contract, I would hold the cards. He wants to start, more power to him, he deserves it. He wants to spend his last few years in Miami in a coaching system where he doesn't have to go back to the drawing board, can't blame him for that. If I was sitting in his position where I could hold some of the cards, I would. So would you. Trent, do your thing. Carl, you're obviously going to do yours. Me, I have to begin thinking about more important things like my fantasy league next year and winning the "Bumlardy" trophy.