I dislike Herm more every day. Who decided he was head coaching material?

I'm right there with you. It's entertaining watching people fly off the handle at almost anything controversial Herm says.

And your the dumbass who started this thread.

I'm so glad I decided to give up my tickets 2 seasons ago before the announcement Herm was coming here because when he was hired it made it all the more easier to say goodbye.

I have no problem with a defensive-minded coach.

I do have a problem with a coach who believes that one side of the ball is overwhelmingly more important than the other.

That was Vermeil's problem, and it's Herm's too. Just because Herm happens to align with a popular axiom (D wins) doesn't make it any less of a ridiculous philosophy.

For those who really buy into this Kool-Aid, I have a question?
How did Buddy Ryan's teams do?, what about Dom Capers? Dick LeBeau?

Obviously, many defensive-minded coaches have done really, really well, but assuming that they did well because they focused only on defense is a ridiculous jump.

Why does that make me a dumbass?

I don't have the time to look up the league average for 41 seasons.

But your missing the point. I don't CARE if they scored 100 per game.

The defense all but guaranteed they would never need more than 16.

So even teams without the so called circus offense can, and do win Super Bowls.

5 of the last 10, excluding the Colts.

Steelers (avg 24ppg)

Pats x2 (averaged 22.5 over 2 SB)

Bucs (avg 22)

Ravens (avg 21)

BALANCE wins championships.
That's the real answer.

Edwards should never tampered with this offense.
Why wouldn't you want to have both?

I couldn't disagree more.

In two years, Herm has spent eight of 14 picks on the offense.

It's not controversial. It's universally derided.

I swear Herm is some reeruned savant...

Running the Dick Vermeil offense was a recipe for disaster without Willie Roaf. Can you seriously sit here and pretend otherwise? There were cracks in the dam in Vermeil's final year. When Roaf retired, Richardson left and Green got cracked on the head, it was over. Time to move on. Herm had to reshape and rebuild the offense as he saw fit.

Pats....great defense

San Diego.....great defense

Colts.....great when it mattered

Bengals? You're kidding, right?

Bears.....great defense.

New Orleans.....the only one without a top defense. For now. We'll see how the season shakes out.

I too am starting to seriously sour on Herm.

If you think Samie fucking Parker is an NFL-caliber receiver, then quite frankly you don't have any business washing jockstraps in the NFL, let alone coaching a team.

I was leaning off the bandwagon, but that was sort of my last-straw litmus test - whether or not Herm would finally see the light and shitcan that one who sucks the penis. He failed. How could anyone be trusted to run this team if they can't see something so painfully obvious? Dumbfuck Vermeil lost me in the same way when he continued to oooh and ahhh over the worst defense in football.

As Forrest Gump would say, stupid is as stupid does. We are again stuck with a HC who should have never risen above coordinator. This one's just on the opposite end of the spectrum from the last one.

BOOOOOOOOOOo

That's not true at all. You are assuming that the D would never give up more than 16 a game. An average doesn't mean that you do that every time. It's nice to have flexibility to where if you need to score points, you can.

Do you really think that a team who scores nothing than 20 every time out by running 600 times, would have a shot in hell if they needed to open it up and score 34??

And GC....just because you spend draft picks on guys doesn't mean that you are focusing on one area.

Listen to his PCs, his game plans, the camps.

Hell, your belief is fundamentally flawed. Vermeil drafted Sims, was overruled on LJ, Siavii, DJ.


Those were his first picks, and the one time offense was selected, DV threw a shit fit. Yet no one would dare call him a defensive coach here in KC.

Doesn't mean shit. It doesn't matter how many picks you picked on the offense. It's his coaching mentality that's all f**ked up straight to hell.

21 points is not a comfortable lead. A good/great QB will eat you alive with this mentality.

If your not up by 21 points, then you keep throwing the ball. A three touchdown lead is not something to give up on. No wonder we crushed him by 50 some odd points when he was with NY. Every time I try to give the idiot the benefit of the doubt, you can always find one of these quotes. Manning threw three touchdowns in a two minute drill. I have seen Trent throw 2 TD's in his two minute drill.

See this quote for what it is. Basically he is saying he has no idea how to manage a goddamn clock.

Whoopie-f**king-do. It's something we already know. This explains the last issue I had with his game managment. I have gone over the fact Herm refuses to throw past five yards, I have talked about how the mass amounts of carries that allows teams to creep their safeties in the box. We have talked about the timid behavior that keeps us from first downs. But he shoots for his 21 points in a game and ten wins in a season.


Way to make a winner Herman "Dumbass" Edwards. :thumb:

Wildcards don't typically win Super Bowls. This proves Herm is not trying to make it to the SB. His goal is to make the playoffs every year in hopes that it keeps his job like it did for Marty for ten years. This attitude makes me sick as a fan, since it's our money that goes into paying this asshat. Not to mention the fourth round pick for a 2-14 coach, with a loosing record, and I forgot to mention that he is the only coach in the ENTIRE NFL, with a clock managment coach. So why does the clock management still suck?

Oh right, I have a good idea. Let's fire Terry Shea and let our clock manager be our QB coach. Then lets build a QB competion with a third round pick and a journeyman, and send our Pro Bowler to Miami to be with his QB coach. But lets make sure there is no stability behind that offensive line, to be competitive.

How Herm has taken this decent offensive philosophy and f***'ed it up so bad, I have no clue. I want more points than the other team, no matter how many it takes. I want to win every game whether it's reasonable or not. This is the mentality a coach should have.

Dude, you're wasting your time.

People will never see it that way, because then they couldn't blame Herm.

The hate for a man who did in ONE YEAR, with arguably LESS TALENT, what Vermeil accomplished in 5 years.

We could have whipped Indy's ass, and there would still be people bitching that he ****ed up in the Divisional Round.

Oh, I do. Herm cares equally about both sides of the ball. In fact it was GLARING in training camp. He would spend time during the beginning of practice with a different position group each day.

I think he's more fair than Vermeil ever was. If the guy truly didn't care about offense he wouldn't have signed LJ to a massive deal this offseason and spent a first-round pick on a wide receiver. And he certainly wouldn't have invested in a complicated quarterback competition. Who was the first free agent we signed? A LEFT TACKLE. We got him in Kansas City and didn't let him leave.

Herm cares.

The thing is..... he never was a NFL Coordinator IIRC.

Damnit, I hate it when I'm compelled to agree with you.

Excellent take. A huge chunk of the offense left with the HOF LT.


That said, I'm getting rather discouraged with a number of Herm's decisions. I'm not ready to call for his head on a platter....yet.

This is just ignorant. The Chiefs were 9th in the NFL yards per attempt last season.

I don't disagree that he needed to retool the offense. What he didn't have to do was install the buttsex offense.

Only you could think that running 500 times up the ass is the logical step down from Air Coryell.

# of times a team scored 30 plus on KC in DV's last year = 3.
# of times a team scored 30 plus on KC last year = 3.

We didn't have the tackles to run outside. We didn't have the tackles to do seven-step drops.

Herm did fine on offense last year given the talent we had to work with.

I have said it many times, but not quite so eloquently.

We also didn't have the guards and centers to run up the middle 500 times..didn't stop him.

Shields and Wiegmann always worked better in space.

I never said 7 step drops. I just didn't want a 65-35 run difference with no passes down the field and "opening it up" consisting of running quick slants.

This is why I think Willie Roaf retired, he didn't need Herm's shit.

The Chiefs ran a balanced offense last year. They called both passing and running plays about 50 percent of the time. And as I've already pointed out, the notion that they didn't throw the ball down the field is a MYTH.

You lose.

Did you forget about the 6 times it happened in 2004?

The 4 times it happened in 2003?

The 7 times it happened in 2002?

Then somebody Peter Principled him to a HC job. Who was it?

Andy Reid was never a coordinator. You want to crucify him, too? He's been to a Super Bowl.

It was very predictable, more predictable than some high school and college teams I've seen, and as a professional team, you do lose.

Offenses are far to good now to think you are a legit championship contender scoring 20 a game.

How many times do we have to point this out:

Balance in the NFL consists of about a 55-45 Pass-to-run ratio

The Chiefs passed 450 times last year, ran 513...we didn't get sacked 63 times, so you're off there.

Every division leader last year, save SD, passed a lot more than they ran.

You're FOS.

I think that's where Hamas is mis-reading me.

I'm not saying scoring 16-20 is the goal for a Championship team.

But I am saying that if you can't STOP the other team from scoring 20 on average, you're NOT going to the Super Bowl, much less winning.

You can get by with an average offense and still win a Lombardi Trophy.

I can't think of a single team who won with a shitty defense......

I think people forgot to tell Herm and some people who support him....the game isn't played like it was when he played any longer. It is no longer the 60's teams pass a lot now and do score points at high paces.

So what are you trying to say - that Herm is really Andy Reid?

We were sacked 41 times. That means we called 491 passes. We ran 1004 plays. You do the math.

Certainly isn't 65-35. ROFL

I'll also point out that DV's Chiefs had nearly identical percentages in 2005, too.

The Rams I guess, even though they ranked well that year it was more due to what the offense set up for them.

The Saints could easily break that though. That offense is stellar, it's dynamic and basically can't be defended. It's better and more talented than anything Vermiel ever had here.

And who had the NFL's top offense?

Yeah, I'm full of shit.

No kidding, he is probably in Carl's office right now.

We're not talking about Andy Reid dipshit.

You're basically crucifying Herm for never being a coordinator. He's not the only NFL head coach that was never a coordinator. Your reasoning is flawed. I'd say the only difference between Andy Reid and Herm Edwards is that Reid was lucky enough to draft Donovan McNabb.

Works both ways, but that's what all the D wins people always want to leave out.

The Rams gave up 15ppg. Were 4th in points allowed. Were 6th in yards allowed.

They had an OUTSTANDING defense. Trust me, I watched every game that season.

Try again.

Wow...just wow.

Philly was the worst non-expansion team in the league when Reid inherited them.

4 NFC Titles, and 1 Super Bowl appearance can't just be attributed to one player.

The Eagles, save last year, often did just as well without McNabb in the lineup.

Herm's never had a defense as good as those in Philly that Reid and Jim Johnson put together, and he's a defensive coach.

And I don't even like Andy Reid....jesus.

Defense wins championships if you have the offense to get you there

Herm acts like a coordinator, Reid doesn't. Herm has a place in the NFL but not as a HC, IMO.

This whole thing stemmed from me saying that he never should have risen about coordinator level. WHO GIVES A SHIT THAT HE NEVER WAS ONE? Herm shouldn't EVER control an offense, just like Dick should never control a defense.

It's like putting a weightlifting coach in charge of the sprinters. "Well, that speed thing is nice and all, but dammit, you guys need to work on your upper body strength!" :banghead: That's the kind of idiocy we're up against here.

No, they were an extremely opportunistic defense, that was very lucky and played a HORRIBLE schedule.

They lost almost no one, and the next year were one of the worst D's in NFL history.

Do you know who Peter Giunta is??

wrong on both accounts.

I guess it could be argued either way.

7/8 Dude....you are full of shit.

Your argument is akin to saying, well I could throw with perfect pitching mechanics, or I could use Dontrelle Willis as a guide because he lead the league in ERA one year.

You're so damned short sighted and small-brained it's just saddening.

Lets go over Herm's great history. here is one of the greatest posts ever about it.


Originally posted by Sperm Edwards
2000 NYJ (Al Groh): 9-7

• Very up & down year, but most concede it was due to poor motivation & the players just flat-out disliking Groh. Pushed them too hard in preseason & they ran out of gas after starting 6-1.
• Also was Testaverde’s return from Achilles tendon injury.
• Among the teams they beat were Miami (11-5) twice, Tampa Bay (10-6) and Green Bay (9-7). They split with the Colts (10-6).
• Missed chip-shot FG vs Detroit at home. If the Jets had beaten Baltimore the following week they would have made the playoffs. This ultimately cost them a trip to the playoffs.
• Opponents’ records were combined 145-111 (.566).
• Four went to the Pro Bowl (Anderson, Glenn, Lewis, Mawae).
• Other notable players included Chad Pennington, John Abraham, Shaun Ellis, Jason Ferguson, Curtis Martin, and Wayne Chrebet.

2001 NYJ (Herm Edwards): 10-6

• Edwards has no prior HC experience in the NFL, college, high school, or Pop-Warner. Edwards has no prior OC experience at any of those levels. Edwards has no prior DC experience at any of those levels. Edwards was never the special teams coach at any of those levels. As such, Edwards was never responsible for coming up with a game plan for a single football game prior to his hiring.
• Takes over a team with a veteran 3-4 defense with cover-corners, hires a DC (Ted Cottrell) whose specialty is the 3-4, & inserts a 4-man front, cover-2 base package that was successful in Tampa Bay (never considering that TB had 4-5 defensive pro-bowlers who made it work).
• Though the offense had an immobile pocket passer who missed the ’99 season with a ruptured Achilles tendon, and short WRs (Chrebet, Coles, Moss), shifted the team to a west-coast offense under Paul Hackett (who had just been fired for running the USC program into the ground after three years. Since his removal from USC, they are the best team in the USA. Prior to that he was fired from the OC position in KC).
• After an 8.5 sack rookie season, decided to move huge DE Shaun Ellis to DT, a colossal flop.
• Started out 1-2 including an unwatchable offensive plodding vs. the 6-10 Colts (down by three touchdowns we were still eating 8+ minutes of clock up on one drive running the ball in the 2nd half).
• Teams beat were NE (11-5) in the game that Lewis knocked Bledsoe out, Miami (11-5) twice, and Oakland (10-6).
• Eked out 1-point victories vs. the Bengals (6-10), Colts (6-10), and Panthers (1-15) and a 6-pt win vs. the 3-13 Bills before losing to those same Bills in a win-and-we’re-in game 15.
• Made the playoffs on a 50-yd FG in Oakland in the last game.
• Opponents’ records were combined 131-125 (.511).
• Lost the WC game in Oakland.
• Four went to the Pro Bowl (Abraham, Glenn, Martin, Mawae).
• Offense was #26 in yards; #17 in pts
• Defense was #17 in yards; #12 in points.

2002 NYJ: 9-7, Division champions

• In an effort to better enable the team to complete the switch to Edwards’ cover-2 base package, salary-cap purges Aaron Glenn & Marcus Coleman were replaced by Aaron Beasley and Donnie Abraham. To better facilitate Ellis’ move to DT, Edwards brought in DE Steve White which led GM Bradway to reach for a speedy DE in the 1st round (Bryan Thomas) to groom behind White. None of the players Edwards knew and/or requested panned out. Only Donnie Abraham proved to be a serviceable starter for 3 years. Since then, Thomas is still 2nd-string; Ellis went back to DE; Beasley (released), Abraham (retired), and White (released) are no longer with the team.
• Team started out 1-4. Their lone win in the first five games resulted from Chad Morton’s kickoff return TD in overtime (his 2nd of the game) vs. the Bills. The following three games, with no injuries to speak of, the Jets were outscored 102-13.
• During that stretch, RB Curtis Martin had two very bad high ankle sprains and did not miss a game. Edwards would not start LaMont Jordan for even one game, or give Jordan as many as 6 carries in any game.
• Game 5 they blew a lead to KC by getting too conservative too early on offense (an Edwards/Hackett trademark for their entire NYJ tenure).
• Game 7 blew a 21-3 lead to the Cleveland Browns & lost 24-21 for the same reason.
• Damien Robinson brought the shotgun to Giants Stadium in the trunk of his car on Oct 14, 2001 (soon after 9/11).
Ellis was moved back to DE and had a sub-par year since he was still carrying the extra weight required for his move to DT.
• Chad Pennington had a magical season and almost single-handedly brought the Jets back from the dead, throwing 22 TD’s to 6 INT’s and going 8-4 in his regular season starts (including the two blown games when the Jets stopped passing way too early).
• With the Jets in control of their own destiny, lost to the (then) 3-10 Chicago Bears.
• Thanks to an improbable outcome in the last game between Miami/NE, the Jets won a three-way tiebreaker as all three teams ended up 9-7. Jets win the division.
• Beat the 10-6 Colts in impressive fashion 41-0 in the wild card game before getting slaughtered 30-10 by the Raiders in the division playoff game a week later.
• After the game, with his star receiver Laveranues Coles not under contract, Edwards comments to the media that the Jets need to get bigger at WR. Coles departs for Washington after the Jets only tender him at $1.3M.
• >.500 teams beat were Miami (9-7), Denver (9-7), NE (9-7), GB (12-4)
• Pro Bowlers were John Abraham and Kevin Mawae

2003 NYJ: 6-10

• Chad Pennington breaks his left wrist in a pre-season game, where rookie FB BJ Askew was responsible for picking up and missing his assignment on the blitz that got Pennington injured. Inexcusable letting a rookie block for the franchise QB in a meaningless preseason game. Pennington is out until game 7.
• Edwards does not let Testaverde start the last pre-season game to work with the first team offense out of fear that he, too, could get injured.
• Testaverde starts very rusty. The offense is not altered at all to take advantage of Testaverde’s arm strength and minimize his lack of mobility (again). Jets lose the first four games, including an embarrassing display of conservatism vs. the Redskins in Washington to kick off the NFL season.
• After winning two games in a row, and with a 10-pt halftime lead over the Eagles, Edwards follows through with his pre-game announcement that Pennington will relieve Vinny during the game. Pennington comes in, blows the lead, and the Jets lose. They also blow a very winnable game to the 4-12 Giants (who would not win another game after that) the following week.
• Won a surprising victory vs the 12-4 Titans who were clearly not taking us seriously. Only other teams they lost to all season (& post-season) were the Colts & Patriots.
• Prior to a late game against New England, Herm is evidently and suddenly not satisfied with Hackett’s game plan of draw plays. He feels we need to be more vertical in the passing game. We know this because he says as much to beat reporters early enough in the week to allow Belichick/Crennel ample time to prepare. Herm (as usual) follows through with his publicized gameplan & Chad throws 5 interceptions for the first & only time in his career.
• Final game we lose yet another winnable game vs. Miami as Herm has officially completed the exorcism of the Jets demons that had plagued Miami.
• Herm decided that the only RB on the team with breakaway speed (Jordan) will now be relegated to goal-line & short-yardage duty. Never mind that he’s a “RB with power” rather than a “power RB.” This is also announced, so any opponent who sees him come into the game (when it’s not garbage-time) is fully aware that the next play will be a handoff to Jordan (more than half his year’s carries were in 2-3 TE sets). In doing this for the entire season, Jordan still has a higher YPC than the “underrated warrior” RB who has the whole field and all the first-second downs to work with unless it’s garbage time to run out the clock at the end of a half. Though healthy, Jordan finishes the year with 46 carries, only 15 of which came after November 1st & only one carry after December 1st.
• On the year, a staggering 87% of the RB carries (including garbage time) went to Curtis Martin so he could amass 1300 yards. By comparison, Jamal Lewis with over 2000 yards got 81%; Ahman Green with almost 1900 yards at 75%.
• Santana Moss starts the year buried behind Wayne Chrebet and Coles replacement–Curtis Conway. No amount of dropped balls gets Conway out of the starting lineup. Only an injury. Once he was finally given the chance, Moss explodes like we all hoped he would when we traded up to draft him two years earlier. He explodes, for 1100 yards and 10 TDs despite only starting 12 games. Numbers never to be approached again until traded.
• Opponents’ records were combined 135-121 (.527), owing much to playing the 14-2 Patriots twice (otherwise we still only went 6-8 (.428) against opponents with a combined .477 win percentage.
• Missed the playoffs
• Two went to the Pro Bowl (Ellis, Mawae).
• Offense was #23 in yards, #21 in pts
• Defense was #20 in yards, #8 in points. Ted Cottrell is fired in the offseason.

2004 NYJ: 10-6

• Team is given the gift of the easiest schedule to start the season in recent memory and win all five of those games, including the Bengals (in Carson Palmer’s first NFL start); the Chargers (one game removed from the NFL’s worst team and two weeks removed from considering starting rookie Phillip Rivers at QB for the season); the 4-12 Dolphins (with no line, no RBs, and a QB controversy in full swing); the then 0-3 Bills; and the 2-14 49ers. Those teams’ combined record at the time of their games with the Jets was 1-11 (1-16 after the losses to the Jets).
• Despite the outcomes, nearly blew the games against the Bengals, Chargers, Bills, and even let the hapless 49ers get out to a 14-0 lead.
• Week 6 the Jets hold the SB champion Patriots (and owners of the #4 offense in 2004) to only 13 points. Our try-to-keep-it-close-until-the-end offensive scheme nets a paltry 7 points (though the rest of the NFL would average over 16 ppg against the Pats).
• After beating up the pathetic Dolphins, the Jets get embarrassed by the Bills as they give us flashbacks to the Ted Cottrell rush-d’s of the past watching Willis McGahee move the chains on 37 carries. Chad Pennington injures his shoulder in the game.
• With Quincy Carter starting effectively and the OL mauling the vaunted Ravens rush defense, the Jets take commanding control of the game, only to watch Hackett/Edwards needlessly attempt an unnecessary HB option that is intercepted and returned for a TD while the Jets were driving into Ravens territory.
• The same game Edwards is caught on camera having Dick Curl telling him how many timeouts we had & when they were to be used; Pennington coaching Herm to instruct Carter on what to do; the clock-killing debacle where Edwards can’t come up with a single play on his own at the end of regulation that put us in a position to have to choose between a play or a FG even though it wasn’t 4th down; also shots of the Ravens’ booth repeatedly and correctly predicting what play would be called as the 4th quarter wound down. In the post-game press conference, Edwards initially lies about a play being relayed to Carter with adequate time, to shift the blame onto the player, before retracting it upon realizing the replay of the game on NFL network showed the polar opposite.
• After beating the 4-12 Browns, 6-10 Cardinals, and 7-9 Texans, the Jets faced the Steelers and failed to score a touchdown as Jordan is stubbornly kept on the sideline despite Martin’s game-long ineffectiveness. (The average opponent scored 16 points per game against the Steelers; the Jets offense managed 12 total points in two games).
• At 10-4, the Jets needed to win one more game to lock up a playoff spot. They came out totally flat for a 23-7 loss vs. NE (the score doesn’t nearly depict how lopsided it was) before losing to the 7-8 Rams. A Buffalo loss to the Steelers 2nd & 3rd-stringers allows the Jets to advance to the post-season anyway.
• Jets squeak by the Chargers despite almost giving the game back on an unsportsmanlike penalty on what should have been the Chargers’ last play in regulation. Chargers missed an overtime FG and the Jets did not.
• Against Pittsburgh, the Jets failed to score a single offensive touchdown. The defense & special teams keep the Jets in the game and are in a position to win it with a field goal despite just missing one the previous possession. With the clock winding down, the Jets decide to predictably run up the middle twice (and get stuffed both times) before Edwards comes up with his crowning achievement as decision maker. Though at Heinz Field, the worst place to kick a FG in the country, and a weak-legged kicker who just missed from >40 yards, it is decided that a 41-yard FG is to be made into a 43-yard FG by kneeling on the ball (which would have been the longest FG ever made at Heinz Field at the time). Brien misses, Jets go on to lose the game.
• Opponents’ record: 134-122 (.523). Played NE (14-2) twice & Pittsburgh (15-1) & lost all 3 games; the other 13 games, Jets opponents record was 91-117 (.438).
• >.500 teams beat: Chargers (12-4), Bills (9-7), Seattle (9-7); also beat the Chargers in the playoffs.
• Two went to the Pro Bowl (J. Abraham, C. Martin).
• Offense was #12 in yds, #17 in pts
• Defense was #7 in yards, #4 in points.

2005:

• The playoff loss is placed on Brien, who is released after the draft, and Paul Hackett, who “resigned” at the close of the season.
• Strength & conditioning coach John Lott quits b/c Herm won't enforce weight restrictions with fines.
• Jets add Ty Law; lose Kareem MacKenzie, LaMont Jordan, Jason Ferguson, and Anthony Becht; trade Santana Moss for Laveranues Coles.
• To complement new OC Mike Heimerdinger, Edwards hires a few coaches who will be learning on the job just like he did. (Heimerdinger would end up coaching these coaches almost as much as the players for the entire season).
• Chad Pennington, who has a close personal relationship with Edwards, is not placed under any pressure to get his necessary shoulder surgery performed as soon as possible (since the recovery time will be lengthy, and the Jets would be installing a new offense under Mike Heimerdinger). Immediately after the season he goes on vacation for a few weeks before getting his necessary surgery. He is clearly neither fully healed nor game-ready by week 1.
• Division rival New England loses OC Charlie Weis and DC Romeo Crennel
• Jets then start losing players to injury right & left (and Herm has the nerve to act shocked after that softy training camp & then sticking with a system that repeatedly got McNair killed with a GOOD offensive line). Fumbled snaps, players winded, meetings with KC's brass the weekend of the Jets-Chiefs game. The season was over before the injuries. I don't even want to go into detail about last season there was so much wrong with it.

No, you are. Obviously the Chargers didn't have the offensive players to throw the ball willy nilly everywhere. They had LT and Michael Turner and a great offensive line, so they ran the ball more. They also had to protect a young QB.

Same goes with the Chiefs. Throwing more passes last year was a recipe for disaster. They had to protect a QB that hadn't started a game in seven years.

He was trying to be funny. (admittedly, he failed.) It's not that Herm doesn't want to score a lot...

He's trying to change the whole mind-set of this team.

If the offense scores 21, we should win.

The guys on D have to believe that.

No, not any more. Those guys have been moved to the Arena league.

ouch

Only you could say that we should have run LJ as much as we did last year.

I'm sorry, but you can easily protect a quarterback through play action, routes in the flats, crossing routes, etc....

You don't have to protect the QB through nothing but running up the ass. That's so damned ignorant.

Jeez. What a read there, Mr. Bill Parcells.

FAX

I've been over this. The only other option was Dee Brown. Herm has said this offseason now that he has other players to carry the ball, they WILL.

We ran plenty of play action last year, and plenty of that other stuff. You still have to protect the quarterback. The Chiefs couldn't do it consistently last year.

Depressing. But oh, look at Herm's record! And don't forget, he got into the playoffs his first year with the Chiefs! That game was sure a joy to spectate.

I suggest you read Bill Parcells' last post, which has been on here before, particularly Herm's affinity for Curtis Martin having 87% of the carries over LaMont Jordan when both were healthy.

I don't care about what happened in New York. It's completely irrelevant. He didn't even run Martin that hard.

You do, you keep bringing up his past record.

Whatever. You folks are bitter. And so far Mangina has done no better.

Holy ****ing dogshit do I hate Herman Edwards after that comment.

you know there IS such thing as scoring 30+ and allowing 14 pts or under, a la having a good defense.

I am not bitter. I'm just waiting for him to be exposed for the ****ing fraud that he is. and that day will come.

The last two years he's had a healthy #1 RB, he's run him an average of 393.5 times.

Chiefs 41, 49ers 0

If she does post on a Chiefs BB, I'd say she might contribute to the ChiefsCoalition because this place will warp her mind and send her to the crazy house

Don't cherry pick.

I agree, she would not post here. it has to be a positive mind set.

Posters used to get banned for bashing Herm there. supposedly the Jets would call and threaten to revoke certain webmasters press privileges, and wallah! censorship! you have none of that here. and that's a good thing.

Says the guy who used the fact that one of 8 division winners ran more than passed to support his stance??

Seriously dude, GFYS.

Chiefs 49, Cardinals 0
Chiefs 49, Rams 10

Two week average: 5 points allowed....by the 2002 defense.

don't cherry pick

That's not cherry picking. You have to consider the talent on each individual team. The Chargers and Chiefs both used their talent as was necessary.

I'm not saying the other teams were WRONG for passing more. Obviously the talent in New Orleans and Indianapolis is more suited to throwing the ball more. This isn't rocket science. If the Chiefs passed the ball as much as the Colts did last year, they'd have easily lost more games.

His comments don't sit well with me but I also don't think he's that stupid. He might be a little defensive right now because he knows he has to rely on his defense (and LJ).

I'm thinking he expected more out of Croyle and Huard (especially Brodie). He might be feeling the need to lower expectations when it comes to the offense.

I am curious what he scored on the "wonderlick"(sp)? Low single digits, looking up to Vince Young?


I give him a score of 100 on Male Ego though, he is maxed.

Why does speaking the truth mean sticking your foot in your mouth?