These types of statements are made because the people involved recognize that there are no ramifications for it. They cannot be fired, no matter what they do. They have lifetime employment short of having their offices stormed and being dragged out and hanged in the public square. This is the same complacency and contempt that all despots feel when they know that there's no lawful process in place to remove them from power.

They can't.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/01...s_april_vote2/

The Kansas City Chiefs today signed a lease with Jackson County, Missouri officials that will keep the team at the county’s Truman Sports Complex for the next 25 years. The lease was signed in a special ceremony at the Jackson County courthouse in downtown Kansas City. A lease was also agreed to by the Kansas City Royals, the Major League Baseball team that makes its home at Kauffman Stadium, located adjacent to Arrowhead Stadium in the Truman Sports Complex. The signing of the new leases leads the way for the county to put two sales tax issues to finance stadium improvements before Jackson County voters on April 4th of this year.

That isn't the same thing Laz. I think you guys are sniveling weenies..... :)

bingo

ROFL Doesn't ChiefsPlanet etiquette require this in all posts? Mods should just add that to all signatures.
ROFL

HEY CLARK! Shitters' full!
 

I've been trying to think of a simple way to express my thoughts.

I hope the owner of my beloved Chiefs stumbles into this very thread, and reads this very post.

i'll put my interpretation of the past 18 years in a form I hope he'll understand.

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Things are so bad right now that I'm starting to think that Mecca is optimistic.

I have access to Clark Hunt through a third party, and I know he reads my stuff from time to time. I could do it.

Good, get busy.
:)

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I wouldn't mind seeing "Rampage" Jackson choke his ass out just to see if he looked remorseful while tapping on his forearm.

The fact is that the best marginal decision is to let both Peterson and Herm Edwards finish their contracts.

Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

There is no coach available that has any better track record than Herm Edwards and considering the roster he inherited, he deserves a chance to see if he can turn the team around.

Is there even any speculation in the papers, on NFL network, ESPN, or anywhere that Herm Edwards is going to be fired? I have not heard any.

If the 2008 team does not show improvement and play more entertaining football then there will be less attendance and there will be probably be a new coach, but Herm Edwards is the coach for 2008 and he should be the coach.

As for GM, Peterson will probably step down on his own at the end of his current contract.

If fans wants to stop spending money, just stop spending the money and Shut the fuck Up about it.

What is worse than Dufus and Gretz is a bunch of ignorant fans saying that unless Clark Hunt sees things the way they do, then he lacks balls or something.

I hope that Clark Hunt is not so stupid as to try to think like ignorant Chiefs fans that piss and moan all of the time, instead of just keeping their money and Shutting the fuck Up about it.

What will be interesting will be Herm coaching a playoff contender in 2008 and 2009 and the same whiners pissing and moaning even louder.

Phobia has a point about the Gretz and Dufus articles, but hoping that Clark Hunt is susceptible to the pissing and moaning of the ignorant in some way different than his father is really an underhanded way of insulting Lamar Hunt.

yea .... i guess if you are shooting for the "best marginal decision"


in fact the word 'marginal' sums up your entire post rather well.


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Look, stupid post of the day.
:rolleyes: :shake:

Shut the fuck up.

Good post, jettio. DanT no longer has a complete monopoly on being right and saying smart things in your family. ;)

You really shouldn't use economic terms like "marginal" unless you understand what the terms mean.

Explain how he "earned the right"? 19 seasons of futility? What are you smokin'?

Apparently the list of idiot homers begins with...

patteeu
messier
splatbass
DrVanHalen
denverdanchiefsfan
jettio

Who's next?

LMAO

Your name IS "shane". Is Bobgritz your uncle?



In other news.....Jettio says something lame.

It's another one of the guys who thinks what Carl did in 1990 matters, so the Chiefs sucked when he took over, it's come full circle we suck now. Time to move on and let another guy have a go at it.

Carls been here 19 years there are guys who won Bowls and did more for their teams that got fired in half that time.

Hell yeah, I got top billing, mom!

That's funny - whiny bitches calling us homers just because we don't drink their koolaid.ROFL

Are you people really supporting that Peterson stay? If so, how exactly do you define success? Or failure, for that matter?

I agree with jettio that Peterson will probably leave at the end of his current contract and that he's earned the opportunity to leave on his own terms. Say what you will about the last 19 years, but they were better than the 16 or 17 years before that by far. Peterson resuscitated a dead franchise, IMO, and he made the Chiefs the top entertainment enterprise in KC for a long time. I'm grateful for that.

What seems ironic to me is that after all these years of people pining for a really bad season so we could get a top pick in the draft instead of going 9-7 or 7-9 as we try to rebuild on the fly, now that they get it they want heads to roll. I can wait a couple more years to see if Carl/Herm can get things back in order before going in a different direction. I don't see any reason to think a different, unspecified GM would have a better chance of getting us to the SB than Peterson in that time period.

I think success in the NFL can be defined by the number of tailgaters in a team's parking lot./patteeu/denverdanchiefsfan

Part of wanting the awful year has to do with wanting Carl out of here....

I like how Carl has been basically horrible for the past 10 years and some people think he's earned his right go out on his own terms....morons I swear.

Are you really this stupid? LMAO

I don't believe I ever expressed "support" for Peterson. I have found the extreme reactions on this board amusing at times, but the majority of the posts on here are more tiring than the Chiefs failures.

As a football fan I have grown tired of Peterson. As a business man, you can't argue with his success. I think that is where all the anger comes from. So many fans don't see the NFL as a business - even though it is one of the largest in the world in terms of revenue.

As for Herm - he inherited an aging team. I get so tired of hearing "Herm destroyed the offense". AGE destroyed the offense. I didn't like the fact that an all out search was conducted for a new coach and Herm was handed the job because of history with Peterson. However, he is the coach of the only football team I cheer for. I choose to believe that he is making moves to make this team better. I also understand that with all of the problems he inherited with this team it isn't going to get better overnight.

Carl would like to clone 80,000 of you.

If you wanna say he's a great businessman fine, then replace him as GM and leave him as president. It's not the GM's job to think about business it's his job to assemble the best roster he can.

Why, because I don't agree with you? Because I don't have the CP mantra "Fire Herm/Carl" in every post? Explain what I wrote that appears so stupid to you.

Fans don't give a shit about the business side. It does not translate into playoff wins.

Please provide the job decription you received from any NFL team for a GM position.

The GM is about player decisions and working the cap...

The President cares about profit margin those 2 jobs actually should conflict which each other, 1 guy doing both of them is a conflictive interest..

See, I knew you had a brain cell still alive. You red my post and saw that it said "As a football fan I have grown tired of Peterson".

Good job.

I don't care about the Herm part. I am OK with him getting another season. Support for Carl is just plain dumb.

19 years isn't enough, he needs 30 years to truly unleash his master plan. So every team in the league can go to a Bowl but him in his tenure..

At this point I think I'll see a Browns/Cardinals Superbowl before I ever see the Chiefs there.

Nice "opinion". Where is this in the job decription for Peterson or any other NFL GM?

What other GM has total control of being president and CEO?

FWIW, here's the letter I emailed CH a couple of years ago, and his reply:

Our letter of January 6, 06:

Dear Mr. Hunt,

Due to the urgency of this letter we have chosen electronic mail in order to expedite contacting you about the following matter. Please accept our apologies. We the undersigned represent merely the tip of the giant iceberg that is the community of Kansas City Chiefs devoted fans and supporters. We recognize and appreciate the greatness of the gift that your father Mr. Lamar Hunt brought to us decades ago. We recognize and appreciate the class organization that your father, as the owner of the Chiefs, has maintained. And, We recognize and appreciate your family’s affection and concern for Kansas City that transcends sports.

In the spirit of the said class we are sad to lose to retirement one of the classiest coaches in the history of the NFL. Mr. Vermeil brought us a team to be proud of and an offensive system that is legendary. We recognize and appreciate the contributions of Mr. Carl Peterson to the creation of this team, that, if not for a string of bad luck and occasional shortcomings of a young and improving defense, would be a Super Bowl favorite.

As you have taken an active role in the operation of the Chiefs, we would like to bring the following concern to your capable attention:

The current edition of the Kansas City Chiefs is only a few minor adjustments away from greatness. The offense is prolific and the defense is on its way to respectability. With that in mind, we feel stability in the coaching transition is absolutely necessary. While there may be qualified candidates outside of the Chiefs organization, we feel that by far the best candidate to carry on the Vermeil legacy and the great offensive tradition is Al Saunders. Al is a proven coach with extensive experience in all facets of coaching in the NFL. The concern that prompted us to write you is the disappointing rumor that Mr. Peterson may be looking for someone more expressively subordinate to himself for the position of the Chiefs head coach. We hope these rumors are untrue, but we appeal to your sense of leadership to step in to find out if there is substance to the rumor and, if so, to stop personal practices by which a potentially brilliant head coach might be lost to other competitors. We trust your leadership will prove priceless in preventing the dismantling of the best offensive system the Chiefs have ever had and derailing the defensive development that is in progress.

Respectfully yours,
(Names protected)

And here's his response of MARCH 20, 06!!:

Dear Friends of the Chiefs:

Thank you for your interest in the future of the Chiefs. It is my firm belief that the foundation of the team begins with the support and dedication of the fans and the people of Kansas City . It is an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan as we look forward to the 2006 season.

The last couple of months have marked a period of transition for our organization. While we are sad to see Coach Vermeil and Carol retire from the sport of football, we wish them well and thank them for five great years of remarkable service to the organization, the fans and the Kansas City community.

As you are no doubt aware, in addition to the departure of Dick and Carol, Al Saunders, our offensive coordinator for the last five years, left to become the offensive coordinator of the Washington Redskins. Al is a great coach who is loved by colleagues and fans alike. We know he will do an outstanding job in Washington .

But as we send our warmest well wishes to our departing coaches, we look toward the future with great anticipation. We are excited to enter the Herman Edwards era. Coach Edwards is a proven winner, and his intensity, leadership and passion for excellence are a perfect fit for the Chiefs. He has assembled a strong coaching staff comprised of veterans and energetic young talent which we feel will compliment our players on the field and in the locker room.

We look forward to great things in the future. On behalf of the entire Kansas City Chiefs Football Club, I thank you for your interest and continued support.


Sincerely,



Clark K. Hunt
Chairman


As you see it took 2.5 months to get his response. AFTER the deed was done already. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

If I thought there was a danger that he might be here 11 more years, I might have a different opinion about whether he should be fired in the near future, but I don't. I expect that he's got 2 years left and I can handle that.

Wow, internet insults. It doesn't take much guts to call someone an idiot on the internet. Any coward can do it....... :)

I think Petersen should be fired on Monday. His hires and drafts (which he lords over like Jerry Jones) have been disasters since the 90's- Matt Blundin, Mike Elkins, Trezelle Jenkins, Ryan Sims, these are just a few of the awful lowlights that he and his guys have managed. The John Tait negotiations - total disaster in the media and then later in free agency when we lost him (The poison pill situation only existed because Tait hated Carl), Vermeil's abuse of the Defense - Disaster. The Marty Ball meltdown on Monday night football - the beginning of the end. On top of all of this Carl is not a likable guy. He's a PR mans nightmare and I have no doubt that he is held in contempt by agents and peers throughout the league. His time has come and gone.

I'll give Carl props for bringing in Marty, making money and fostering the tailgating spirit at Arrowhead. I'll also give him credit for his loyalty to the Hunts but he deserves to be fired for his organizations lack of on field performance for the past decade.

To Patteeu's point that Carl and by extension Herm are just as good or better than any generic GM and Coach out there I have to disagree. It is the job of every Football owner to have a constantly updating list of hot GM candidates and coaches in both the College and NFL ranks. If the Hunt's don't have at least two or three candidates who they know they could contact then they are asleep at the proverbial wheel as the leaders/owners of the KC Chiefs.

To be honest, I don't care if he cares about the fans or not. I just want him to care about winning a SB!!!

:LOL:

Same here.

Look at what Knicks fans are doing:

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I think the Chiefs care far more about making money than they do about winning Superbowls.

I think they care more where they rate in Forbes in value of NFL franchises than they do in Superbowl championships.

What is even funnier is the fact he continues to try to act the bigshot while knowing we all know what he actually is. ROFL

Who's that goofy, young looking Skip with the glasses and 'stache in the lower right corner? Nice hat.

Wow did Carl and Herm pull the wool over his eyes.

If you guys wrote a letter asking for a better coach than Al Saunders you might have gotten an answer quicker. That was mistake #1. Saunders would have been worse hire than Herm by far.

Yep.

This post is money right there-no pun intended.

Even Clark knows its all the fair weather, pussy Chiefs fans fault that the season and team sucks. We need to man up and take the blame.

I opened up a chiefs shirt for Christmas and threw up a little in the back of my mouth.

What's up dude?

If you want to go ahead and picket Arrowhead with signs calling for Carl and Herm to be fired, go ahead. And if it works and Hunt fires Herm and Carl directly because of this grassroots effort I will admit all the hatred worked .

On a side note Goatse, I still remember you as a Herm supporter, I know you've changed your mind, but really? This far? From Herm's not bad, to Herm must go, let's protest. All in one season, well, really more like half a season.

In between looking at the Girlie thread-I am writing a snotty letter to Carl- I am beggining to not like his attitude- :)

I have no doubt that the Hunt family loves the team that Lamar built. I have zero doubt about that. I can't imagine that Clark and Co don't want this team to be successful, for both their financial gain, but to honor his father's memory and hard work.

I will however have to SEE action.

He HAS to know this isn't about 1 year. Its not about the last 10 years of suck.....Its about the 20something years of suck since the past superbowl appearance, interupted only by a decade of hope and gutwrenching disappointment in the 90s.

This Loyal fanbase deserves better.

Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder to name two, course they also own their teams.

Ooooo! can I sign it too?

This is just a case of the fans thinking they actually have any power. Get real. I live in St. Loser, and to my delight, the Cardinals do this to their fans, too. But guess what, THEY KEEP COMING, just like Chiefs fans. And they aren't going anywhere, just like Chiefs fans.

Sure, their stadiums may get marginally emptier, but those tickets are still sold. Pro sports is all about status these days, and being at the big event is more a social status thing than wanting to go see the big event. So, if teams are losing, people will just not go. But give up their right to go if it suddenly becomes a big event again? No.

Pro Sports has changed. They've priced out the fans that actually care about sports. I won't go to more than 1 game per year, as that's all I can take of continually having people go on their beer runs right in front of me as a play is going on.

Dipshits care more about refilling their beer than watching the play on the field. They want to get drunk at their social event.

That's pro sports for you.

And that's why this thread is silly.

At least the Cardinals won a championship a couple of years ago.

I'd put up with a lot of Carl's BS if he could deliver on his arrogance. Bill Belichick is a bigger dickbag than Carl, but he has every right to be. If I were a Patriots fan, and BB told me to my face to **** off, I'd still kiss his ass for giving me a shitload of Super Bowls.

I think Clark and the family are aware of the problems. Heck its Clark's little brother moved to KC to run the stadium renovation project, to be the overseer. So Peterson isnt the one in charge of that. I think Peterson might be on the hot seat more than Herm.

If you fire a GM and hire a new one, the coach basically can't be retained. He's going to want his guys, if you make him retain people then he's a lame duck or he isn't gonna take the job..

Sounds familiar with this organization.

Not neccessarilly. I think you can give a new GM a year to see if he wants to keep the coach or not.

That's just something that never happens, especially after you just won 4 or 5 games...

It's like Carl making people be retained, it makes guys lame ducks and real coaches wouldn't take the job with those guidelines.

I was thinking....

Even if Carl is not on the hot seat with Clark, is he not on the hot seat around KC? Imagine what it must be like for him. He is a hated public figure. And I doubt his ego can handle that very well.

So...if you are Carl, and you want to placate the fans for awhile, and shift focus away from your own failures, what can you do? Throw Herm under the bus. My guess is that Carl realizes he has to shake things up a little, and the question is whether firing Solari will be enough to buy Carl some time. Herm probably won't be shit-canned, but I think the chances are higher than a lot of people think -- It's not that much of a long-shot. Gun only got two years, and we were never at these depths under Gun.

i hope so

Meanwhile Clark sits back and lets Carl do his annual offseason GM evaluation.

Carl: "Well I think I'm doing a good job this season. We didn't make the playoffs, but we filled up Arrowhead. I think I'm just gonna sign myself to an extension and call it a day."