Looked like good coverage.

that wasn't pass interference

Does Ryan pass the all important GoTurd "Eye Test" ??

Dude looks pretty impressive on this drive. Maybe we need his coach for an OC as well.

You're forgetting where BC comes from. Everything goes your way when you're from Boston.

WTF happened to your username?




ROFL

I'm sorry. I am not following the question. :shrug:

BC's recieving corps is pretty impressive.

Edit: Just hit the 4-digit posting range.

I hope that is major sarcasm...

I think Croyle looks like Gilligan.

Is their kicker a senior?

They said he was something like 43/47 on the year.

The thing I'm noticing from Ryan is he makes "Huard" reads sometimes, by that I mean he throws the ball where the WR could get killed.

No. I'm blind, deaf, and dumb. How I even manage to type on this picture type-writer is beyond me.

He throws a little high sometimes too.

Well some people have ridiculously bad evaluation skills...I didn't call you a moron or anything...

I don't think it helps Ryans throws/reads that his WR's are all slow and don't get to spots very well or create much separation so he has to try to fit it in.

Stevieray having a bit of fun because i started a Cowboys thread. LOL

I know. I didn't take it personally..just attempting to be overly sarcastic.

And his recieving corps and running backs give him very little help.

since when is Stevieray a mod?

Say what?

Have you timed him with a stop watch yet? Wait until he runs in Indianapolis then say that.

Certainly have.

My stopwatch only reads out two settings though: Slow and Fast.

He read slow.

Ryan is fast enough to get a 1st down when a play breaks down

We're talking about their DB Silva.

That was pretty bad-ass.

Did everybody already quit watching this game?

It's getting pretty interesting now.

Matt Ryan is out there trying to win this game with no help.

Obviously, I'm not impressed with Ryan. Especially the way he is handling the ball in at the end of this game.

Without Matt Ryan they'd have no points, they seriously have nothing outside of him. They can't run the ball, the receivers are awful.

So, you want him to come into a situation where there is no offensive line, an aging TE and one good receiver? Matt Ryan is not the answer.

I wouldn't play him year 1, or well till the end of it....

Also even if you took him first you could still get a OT and at least 1 Guard....

I like Ryan tons more than next years QB prospects, what are we suppose to do wait until there's a can't miss guy in 5 years? By then we'll be mediocre again and win 7 games and then we'll never be able to get a QB.

Ryan kinda effed himself right there.

By the year 2012, the QB position will be transformed into some sort of uber-ghey QB/RB/WR tandem, and I will die of an aneurysm while trying to watch college football.

A guy like Ryan is becoming fewer and far between too as all of these college teams keep going to the spread offense and using guys like Chase Daniel who basically have no NFL future.

How many teams even use FB's anymore or run pro style offenses? SC does but we're almost a rarity anymore.

Yep..it's pretty sad. It says something when a guy like Tim Tebow looks to be the top pro prospect in years to come. Oh yeah Tebow, great step fake, then fly route right down the sideline. Pathetic.

Right now Sam Bradford seems to be the only hope for young college QB's.

I really think we should give brodie another year before we give up on him. Besides that even if we did take ryan, he would get killed anyways behind our o line. If we dont draft a OT in the first, i am gonna be extremely upset

It's a deep OT year.....you can get a starter in the 2nd at the position...

I personally even if I took Ryan would start Croyle next year, until Ryan was ready anyway.

Ryan needs to be drafted in the right situation to succeed, because he doesn't have jaw dropping talent to qualify for a top 5 pick. He'll need to picked by the right coach and staff to use his talents properly.

He doesn't have the strongest arm in the world...how many guys with huge arms are good? Kyle Boller has a huge arm is he good?

Guys like Matt Ryan end up being good more often than guys with nothing but all the "measurable tools" Ryan has all the intangibles and even his arm is good enough for the NFL level.

looks like Pennington for better and worse...

Yeah, he'll be good but he'll need to be in the right situation to succeed though, because the guy quite frankly isn't John Elway where he can take a team on his back and win.

I want the Chiefs to use this pick on the best available player. If the best available player happens to be a quarterback, that's who they should take. And I don't get the "he'd get killed behind this line" argument. Like Croyle or Huard won"t?

I'm not saying we should go in looking to draft QB, but if he happens to be the highest rated player on the board when the Chiefs pick then they should take him.

Hmmm, I like the idea of a Rothlisberger type of a QB. Big, accurate with just enough speed to buy time or get the first if the middle opens up. Is Ryan that guy? If not, I like the idea of taking a stud DT.

That's a decent comparison I guess. Ryan can move just enough, I don't think he has the pure physical talent Roethlisberger does but I think he's better in other facets.

This is probably going to be our only chance to take a franchise QB, right now I say we make the pick and ride with it. You hit on it you just put yourself in position to be good for a long time.

i don't see any similarities between Ryan and Rothlisberger...two different QBs...imo

After watching the game, I am not sure what to think about Ryan. He was surrounded by bad talent. But he made some good plays as well as some bad plays.

Kind of sounds right about where we are with Croyle. He has bad players around him. He makes some good play as well as some bad plays.

I guess I wouldn't be upset if we took Ryan, but by the same token, I wouldn't be upset if we fix the parts around Croyle either.

The Chiefs bad players are in no comparison to the bad players BC has, some of those guys are brutal.

I question if BC could win a game without Matt Ryan.

They were ranked 2nd at one time. :shrug:

I would because it would be a lateral move, because if a superstud is available hell yeah I'd take him but Ryan's good but isn't an Earth shattering NFL badass sure thing.

I know, which is shocking because in many ways they are a 1 man team, on offense anyway.

I don't think it's a lateral move just because I think Ryan can play 16 games...

IIRC, the "roll tide" gang has said Croyle sort of had crap around him too, but he willed the to a 10-1 record or so.

If I'm picking in the top 5, I'm looking for John Elway caliber QBs that are studs in every possible category for playing the position and this year their aren't any.

Well Matt Ryan isn't made of glass...Like I said I don't think Croyle is untalented. I just think he's better suited as a backup because of his horrendous durability, I don't think he'll ever be able to play 16 games.

If this was madden his durability rating would be like a 15.

And the guys next year are worse...those QB's are rare...I think Ryan is worth it because I think he can be developed into a top notch guy.

This is where we differ, because I believe that Croyle could develop into that also. Again I'm looking for world-beater at the Top 5 position, and Ryan's good but he'll need help.

If you can give me any reason to believe Brodie Croyle can be a dependable starter I'd love to hear it....I don't think he'll ever play 16.

I wonder if Ryan will be able to hold up as well. Rothlisberger goes out from time-to-time nearly every season. A couple of times tonight, Ryan rolled right into a tackle, and wasn't able to avoid it. And he got belted from the right side once that I saw while looking left right away. Didn't seem like he picked the guy up out of his periphial (sp) vision at all.

The guy has talent as well. That was easy to see. And maybe you are correct about next years crop as well. But just maybe there is some junior out there that will declare early that has the physical tools that Ryan has.

Maybe somebody like Freeman from Kansas State has a bust out year. He is built about like those guys.

The kid has all the tools, he reads well( side note: needs to learn that he may have good arm, but can't force balls anymore) mobile enough to get away from pressure, good arm, and is good field general during crunch time.

Ok that still doesn't explain, 2 torn ACL's, Torn labrum, the huge knock of not being durable and then he's already been hurt twice in less than half a year of starting.

It's hard to rely on the guy or say he'll ever last.

Also Croyle has so far not shown anything in "crunch time".

Bears Game watch it

He is interesting. We have seen him get belted right in the chops hard while delivering a pass, and crawl right up a not even flinch. If he hook slides he doesn't get hurt the first time. Instead he dives head first trying to make extra yards. The second time he is hurt is making a defensive play. Not sure what that means if anything, but both could have been avoided with a little caution.

He's just injury prone, some guys are always hurt and it's supposedly "unexplainable" while other guys are never hurt.

It's a freak thing if it happens once, it's a pattern when you're always hurt.

You need to re-think your definition of crunch time.

Against Indy, Solari wouldn't call anything to give him a chance.
He did well against the Titans... other areas of the team failed before the INT's. If the other areas play well the INT's probably don't happen.
Against Denver, the defense was so bad we were beat before we started.
Against Oakland Rayner failed him.
San Diego was Huards game.
Detroit was basically Huards game as well, but who is to say if he doesn't get hurt making a tackle he couldn't have done what Huard did given Solari opened up the playbook down by 19.

That was crunch time. Bennett fumbled.

I was thinking the same thing...

In the Titans game what did he show? That when the game is close in the 2nd half he can throw picks? Like the one he fired right to Michael Griffin, when they got behind and it was the next time with the ball what's he do..he throws a pick right away.

Saw Ryan throw a similar head scratching pick tonight as well.

Even if Croyle isn't the guy, that doesn't mean any of the top QB's in this year's draft are going to pan out. You've got a major hard-on for Matt Ryan, we know, we get it. It doesn't guarantee anything.

In defense of Mecca, he has other guys he is pimping just as hard for our top pick. I find this fun to discuss the pro's and con's of the top players in any year. This year having a top pick just makes it all the more fun.

Alright then think about the guys the year after..show me who the guy in that draft is...

Ryan throws picks because he's asked to win games without good receivers or well anything.

This applies to KC's O-Line too, at least Ryan has time to throw the ball.Again, if Ryan had Elway talent and could everything including scrambling like a RB then ya I'd pick him.

I don't really know. Like I said earlier, the kid from Kansas State, Freeman, has all the physical tools. He has whipped Texas twice already. If he puts it together on a weekly basis next year and comes out early....

I think it'd be an absolute miracle if Herm took a QB with the fifth pick. Then you'd have to spend the whole year defending the rookie QB while he makes mistakes that YOU KNOW are going to be made because he is a developing QB. Only you'll give him the benefit of the doubt that you won't give Croyle because he is a first round pick and Croyle is a third and Croyle had a "knock" on him coming out of college. And that includes injuries.

Drew Brees had a knock on him coming out of college too. He was too short. Why did Brady last till the sixth round? I'm sure he had some knocks too.

Did anybody happen to focus on Cherilus tonight? I sort of forgot to while concentrating on Ryan.

I'm convinced some of you can't comprehend.

It's not a ****ing knock when the guy has had both knees replaced, and has been hurt in 2 of the 5 games he's played in in the NFL.

If you can't stay on the field, I don't care if you're Joe Montana, you can't be relied on.

Why is this concept so hard for people to understand?

If KC picks an "Elway caliber QB" does he have to have a big giant set of teeth and a pigeon foot? I sure hope not. :)

I'm not a huge Matt Ryan fan. If Jake Long is gone, and Ryan falls, then I wouldn't be upset about drafting him. However, I'm not sure KC fans can handle watching Ryan get knocked to crap behind this O Line. If KC is to draft Ryan, they better spend every dime on the O Line through FA to give him a chance.

The guy is a first-year starter and yes he has had two fluke injuries in five games. Huard has been hurt this year too. I guess I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since our offensive line ****ing blows goats this year. The put downs are not necessary to make your point.

It's not a fluke injury when it happens to a guy all the time....

That still doesn't address his blown ACL's and torn up shoulder, the guy just gets hurt all the time, he's unreliable.

It is way too early for someone to label Croyle injury prone. He's been dinged up a bit, but they haven't been serious injuries. And as far as the knee injuries go....It's in the past. It's not like QB's haven't come back from ACL injuries before. Croyle needs more than 5 or 6 games to be labeled anything IMO.

True, he's got to stay on the field.

Yeah too early to label him unreliable and QB is a position that can recover reasonably well from torn ACL's. Brees tore up his shoulder a couple seasons ago also. I'd like to see how Croyle fares with better pass blocking and a consistent running game. It's way more likely that we'll get to see if Croyle is the real deal than it is that Herm will take a QB with the top pick.