so this year they got Albert and nobodyelse, so they are just gonna try to get by with nothing again?
im so damn confused rebuild this rebuild that, spend some money and make a few trades. Are OL SUCKS!!!!

Larry Johnson, Herm, CARL, 3 footballs and two kicking tees for a Sarting tackle under 28 years old, where do we sign?

You can lay the blame for KC's woeful offense at the feet of Mike Solari and Mike Solari only.

Not necessarly. It is Herm's fault for hiring him in the first place. And even that, how much did Herm "influence" the offense is another question.

Man Herm Blows...:shake:

Solari was running Herms Offense

Stop trying to explain logic to that moron.

He hates Herm. Herm is responsible for all that's evil in the world. The guy thinks that when an all-world LT retires, it's no big deal.

As I said in another post, he's hands down the dumbest prick on this message board.

Mike Nolan is hands down the worst NFL head coacn and it's not even a contest.

Eh, it is debateable in terms of who's the worst coach, but I can agree to the fact that Nolan is ONE of the worst 5 NFL coaches.

You are on the same posting level as Tommykat.

There's a reason I traveled all the way to Madagascar to create my avatar.

There's a lot of factors behind the position the Chiefs are currently in.

But IMO, one of the biggest is the near success of Vermeil. He built an all world offense, with a no-show defense. The team responded with countless failed attempts to shore up that D, while ignoring the age of the O. By default, we held on to that aging offense for too long, because anything else would have been a drastic drop in production.

You ignore the O while consistently failing to build a D... then one day it all catches up to you and you have to start from scratch.

Herm Edwards had to make chicken salad out of a mix of chicken shit and old chicken. So far he has failed at that, but he has seemed to pick up a few nice eggs in the attempt to get better ingredients.

Any other team in recent history go from the #1 offense to #31 offense in two years?

I vote Mike Nolan.
With a vice worst coach- Norv Turner

:LOL: The guy is truly an idiot. He should be expelled from Oklahoma.

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I forgot about Norv. Although, he's had a little more success lately than our boy. We'll have to keep an eye on that race.

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This is a very good question. Has this ever been done before? Stats nuts?

Making Solari the coordinator was the only way the Saunders offense was going to stay in KC. If Herm had come in and brought in somebody new to change the offense right off the bat, 88 and Rerun and all these guys would have marched on Arrowhead, poured gasoline on their bodies, and set themselves on fire in protest.

Actually, when I think about it that way, Herm definitely should have hired someone else.

The Raiders went from #1 to #25 in one year. The Rams saw a pretty good drop-off for a while.

From #1-#31? probably not. But it's silly to act like Edwards the only factor.

If I remember right when Herm started a HC he was not allowed, by King Carl, to make any movements in the OC and DC positions.

I may be wrong but I think we owe alot of this to King Carl not so much to Herm when it comes to asst. coaches.

Edwards isn't the only factor, but he is the main factor. Other teams suffer injuries and lose LOT's and linemen and they don't fall apart like KC did.

Name some. Just name one. Name a team that had a highly ranked offense with a Pro Bowl QB and HOF left tackle, unexpectedly lost both those players the next season, and still maintained their production.

IMO, age is the main factor.

I don't believe Edwards' main concern is building the #1 offense, no question. He's as much as said that. But for the first two years, he was basically forced to hold onto a flower that was dead on the vine. Factor his philosophy in with a bunch of players that are past their prime and it's a recipe for the precipitous drop that we had.

I'm not sure Edwards will ever be a great HC. I think his conservative style isn't going to work in today's NFL. But I also don't think he's anywhere close to the worst in the league, and I think looking at offensive ranking to make that argument, while ignoring all the other factors is stat cherry-picking at it's worst.

Excellent point there, Mr. jspchief. There's a whole lotta lumpin' goin' on.

All too often, peeps tend to point to one factor or event as the cornerstone of our demise. It wasn't. A perfect storm of sh*t hit the Chiefs. If anything, you have to look at Admiral Carl Peterson who is the one constant through the last 20 years of this miserable journey through the backwaters of the league. It is, after all, his responsibility to look beyond the head coach du jour to ensure that we have talent in the queue. Since, in the end, it's talent on the field that makes the difference. I remain convinced that we have proven to be hapless at the job of developing young players into a fleet of NFL-caliber contributors. Add one of the worst drafting records in history and your battleship is eventually sunk and collecting barnacles (and those creepy sponge things that are really animals) at the bottom.

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Worst coach......Herm's in the mix, it's with guys like Nolan, Whisenhunt, Lane Kiffin I think those are probably the bottom 4.

If the Chiefs implimented the Wing-T it would be an imporvement.

You just don't like Whisenhunt because he isn't fellating your boy from USC.

Roaf was old and both he and Shields had talked about retirement before. It wasn't a complete surprise they would need to be replaced. I'm still waiting for another team that went from 1 to 31 in two years.

Herm dismantled this offense faster than Mangino eats gravy.

Glad an outsider takes the same view as a few of us on here who haven't bought into the Ministry of Truth's propaganda.

Well at least I dont live in around Tulsa........

What about two 4-12 seasons as well? What about a career LOSING record? I get sooooo sick of people giving Herm all the credit here and NONE of the responsibility for past failures. Take his playoff appearance with the Chiefs - it's HIS playoff team but it's DV's team that was old and going down hill fast...Whatever - Herm is not the worst coach but he's easily closer to the bottem than the middle of the pack IMO. I can't believe we actually had to give up a draft pick for the guy when he was going to get fired. :shake:

Seattle went from 2 to 19 and Denver went from 5 to 21 in 1 season from 2006-2007.

Herm, The Man The Message
 

“I think these guys are embarrassed about the way they played… Why it happened I don’t know.”

- Chiefs Coach Herm Edwards, who doesn’t know these things.

“Well. Yeah. We’d like to score when we get into the Red Zone. That’s going to be our deal.”

- Edwards, unveiling the keystone of his bold new plan.

“Well, I don’t know about that. We have an idea. You’re talking now, in my opinion, it’s not 53 it’s 60. Because of the practice squad. So it’s 60 in my mind. It’s how do you develop 60 guys. Out of the guys you’re going to keep, who is the 53rd guy and then from there, who is the eighth guy that makes up 60?”

- Herm, adding. KCChiefs.com

Need I say more

Ang

by the way, the folks that produce the respected Football Prospectus pretty much echo these comments about Herm. I'll put together a list of their jabs on Herm at some point.

It really all comes down to one major point for all the critics of Herm Edwards -- Herm Edwards is such an extreme play-not-to-lose coach that he can't be successful in today's game. Either Herm Edwards adapts a la Marty Schottenheimer, or Herm will soon be an ex-NFL head coach.

Generally when someone is widely thought of as being a horrendous head coach by so many different sources that would lead you to believe that he is.

Bump for Herm... He is losing the Team.