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Herm to stick with Huard when Brodie comes back?
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I think things would have been different the first week if so many players on offense weren't new of shuffled around learning a new playbook from a new OC. On top of that we were facing New England. I think Croyle might get the job back.. he could have more success since the line seems to be gelling and the running game is starting to get going again..
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But if they haven't given up on him then they need to find out this year what they have. If they are still trying to find out next year that Brodie is the "real deal" then this year was a waste at QB. And that sets back the long term re-building for the sake a current win or two. |
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The Denver run D is the worst in the NFL and anyone can run on them. If LJ gets 100+ yards that will be fantastic against a team that has not allowed Tomlinson or Turner near 100 yards. Croyle's reins are a lot tighter since he doesn't appear to know how to manage or win a game. I only look for Croyle to be the starter if the losing streak starts and continues. I don't look for Croyle until about the 8th game and it will be because the Chiefs are losing and it will be the final attempt to see "where he is at". I didn't see any new plays for anyone to learn the first 3 weeks. What I saw was Solari part 2 because Herm tells the OC what to run. |
He's just evading the question because he has to start Huard this week. If Brodie is healed up then he's the starter. It does no good for the furture to start Huard. Maybe Brodie is to brittle for the NFL, and he'll probably get hurt again but Herm will have to start him to know that.
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Dane McCloud made the post of the thread...
8-8 this year is different than 8-8 a few years ago... If we were 8-8 this year with Huard, that's unbelievably great news for this franchise... |
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This is a tough question for ol' Herm. It all depends, I suppose, on what you think is more important; Winning games or determining once and for all if Croyle has what it takes.
On the one hand, winning helps the young players build morale and confidence. On the other hand, we're going nowhere with Huard because he isn't going to be here much longer. Plus, it won't be long before he's either hurt again or takes himself out of another game. I say you have to start Croyle. We really need to find out if he can play at this level without getting injured. Otherwise, the franchise doesn't know whether to deal for another, young quarterback or spend a high pick on one. And, like any organization, the Chiefs have limited resources. Better to know as soon as possible if Croyle has a future here. FAX |
Hypothetical: Lets say Brodie comes back and does well enough and stays healthy. Do you still draft a QB in the later rounds as insurance?
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The Packers showed having a QB in the rough doesn't hurt anything... If Croyle comes back and plays out of his mind...90+ QB rating stays healthy for 9 straight games...I still take a QB in the 1st or 2nd round...a good insurance policy never hurt anything (see Larry Johnson). |
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So if he has say, 60% 12 TDs 6 INTs and wins 3 or 4 out of 9 games, you draft another where?
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In fact, if he's injured again (for whatever reason), you have to think about his relative value in a roster spot. He might be willing to serve in a backup role - then again, he might not. It's a damned shame, too. He really has the physical tools. Then again, you never know. I think about guys like Trent Green, for example. There was a time when peeps thought his knee would prevent him from ever starting somewhere again. Then, he came back to lead one of the most potent offenses in the modern era. FAX |
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He will get another chance but the problem is we know how this is going to turn out.
Prediction: Croyle comes back in the next 2-4 games and will get injured again sometime shortly thereafter causing him to miss significant time. It's not entirely his fault though since Herm won't let him throw the ball more than 10 yards. This makes our offense so easy to defend that that Brodie is doomed to fail. |
With Huard at the helm does anyone with any football sense really see us competing for a WC?.....No. So the real question is do you value getting all of your other rookies and young players experience in competitive games with the rare win over figuring out if Brodie is the guy? I say Brodie healthy doesn't make us much worse at ALL if any so you HAVE to play Brodie. Even if he is slightly less, the offense will still be ran decently and we can still be competitive (see NE game) with him at the helm so you do it to see if he's QBOTF.
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If you're writing this season off you should start Croyle. If you want to compete this season you should start Huard. Not that complicated a decision.
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Here's the bottom line:
The Chiefs at 0-3 soundly beat a 3-0 team. I don't care if Denver's defense is "suspect", they were 3-0 and beat San Diego, Oakland and New Orleans. The Chiefs beat the Broncos in every phase of the game. Defense, Special Teams and Offense. The Chiefs had more than 10 rookies contributing and many second year players as well (Taylor, Tank, Turk). This is HUGE. And they did it behind Damon Huard. I don't think anyone here thinks Huard is a great QB. Hell, I don't think anyone here thinks Huard is a good QB. But he's relatively healthy and seems to have the respect of the huddle. Croyle can't stay healthy, doesn't seem to have the same effect on the huddle and just doesn't appear to be a starting QB in the NFL at this point in his career. The Chiefs need to take a QB in the first round of the 2009 draft. Period. I don't care if they trade up, trade back, whatever. They NEED a first round talented QB. They should absolutely keep Croyle. He may be a late bloomer (Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Kurt Warner, etc.) and he's under contract. There's no reason why he shouldn't stick around and continue to develop. But if Huard is playing well in 2008 and the Chiefs are winning or are staying very close, there's no reason to throw Croyle back into the fire. He's been unable to stay healthy and continuity is far more important to a young team. And this IS a young team. Just imagine what it will be like NEXT year when all of these rookies that have played so well have one season under their belts, the current 2nd year players are in their third year and there's a new batch of rookies pushing to start. Hate Herm, hate Huard, hate the coaches, etc. There's NO denying that this franchise is absolutely headed in the right direction. Sunday's game against Denver proved it. If even for just a week. |
Croyle will start against Tenn. and thereafter as long as he is healthy. Of course, I don't expect him to stay healthy all season (does anyone?). In any case, we have no choice but to draft a QB early next April because I don't believe we can count on Croyle, talent or no.
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It's funny to see what one win will do for the mood on ChiefsPlanet. It's true that one can make the argument that the team is headed in the right direction. We were last Sunday, that's for sure. Still, a young team is going to look good one week and absolutely horrible the next. It's fair to say that inconsistency is the only consistent attribute of a squad that's this inexperienced. And, that makes the quarterback decision even more convoluted. Does Downfield provide more consistency at a key position? Does his play help the other skill players develop faster? If so, why even consider starting Thiggy in Atlanta?
At this point, I would pay money to find out what modifications (if any) the coaches make to the game plan or in-game playcalling when Downfield is in the game as compared to Croyle. I know they have to forget about the boots and rollouts, but (although I can't prove it) it seems as though they allow Downfield to fling that dang rock a little more often and a little further. Not to mention the fact that they let him curl up in a little ball a ton more. Are these situational reads or calls or is Downfield simply more willing to take the risk whereas Croyle has been taught differently? If so, I have to wonder what their overall approach to the quarterback position really is. I know they want to win as quickly as possible, but they can't do that if they don't get the ball downfield once in awhile. That, of course, depends on the run game, the pass protection, the WR routes and their ability to get open, timing with the receivers, etc. Were they waiting for the o-line to prove they can pass-protect? Were they waiting for the run game to develop? Were they waiting for Croyle to demonstrate he could handle the little stuff before cutting him loose? Were they simply a'skeered that Croyle would turn it over? We may be heading in the right direction but, so far as the quarterback position is concerned, that direction doesn't seem to be very clear. FAX |
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In KC, the QB only has the job by default, usually injury. It's extremely important for the young players to continue to play and grow together, regardless of the QB situation in 2008. |
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[ curse words] [CAPS LOCK ON typing] [repeat] and a no nothing dunce like you is complaining about someone being angry? that's your ENTIRE shtick...you pot-calling-itself-a-dumbass dumbass we set back our rebuild an evaluation of croyle for a year...for Huard...fact True Fans - ahem...you - we glad we did so Now, we're contemplating scrapping the playing time of our draft pick, our young qb, the guy HERM said was the QBOTF, the guy HERM spent all off season and preseason coaching and designing the offense around...THAT guy...we're just going to scrap it all to play a shitty career backup with no future anywhere in the NFL....all to get what, 3-5 wins? and ensure we can't draft an actual QB like Stafford next year... and you cock smoking True Fans love it...this franchise saying "**** it" to the QB position and playing Damon Huard is the equivalent of 2 Girls 1 Cup and our fans want more... so continue with post 12,003 in the style of [curse words] [ CAPS LOCK ON] [wheee] you're still just a tard |
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****. JFC. |
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You are a ****ing moron...I'll agree with Dane there...even if he is an asshole. |
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Just trying to conform. :D |
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I think. :evil: |
By playing Huard the team accelarated the rebuild of every position except QB.
By playing Thigpen you accelerated the process of declaring him a bust and hurt the development of the rest of the team. By playing Croyle you accelerate the conclusion that he can't stay healthy and hurt the development of the rest of the team. |
Everyone one said that they would give Croyle this season and see what he shows. He was injured, but looked okay until then. When he comes back he HAS to be the starter, so the team can see if he "has it". If not we know what we need. If he gets hurt again I would say move on. But either way he needs the field for the rebuilding to continue.
To all of those that say Huard is the better QB don't know shit. Watched them both in TC and there is no comparison. Even with the rainbow passes he still isn't as accurate...baffling |
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More athletic? Yes. Younger? Yes. Better QB at this stage? No. |
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That is all I got. |
I'm willing to give Croyle one last shot.
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They took a down field passer with some weapons and lots of protection (in college) to a neutered, dumbed down, don't pass until we get behind, run the shit out of the ball offense. Unfortunately, that is better suited to Huard's style. He does it much better than Croyle. I think you can assume that QB development, past, present and probably future is something this team has never been good at. Until there is a change in leadership and a different coach with a different idea on how to use a QB comes along, we are hosed as a team. |
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LJ had more yards than our starting QB last week. LJ has made this clown look decent. For Christ sakes he handed he ball to LJ a NFL record setting amount of times. |
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I am going to continue to root for Brodie Croyle. Hopefully he comes back and does well and shows that he can handle the rest of the season and we don't have to see Huard any more. If Brodie gets hurt again I assume then he will be done in the NFL.
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Even if Brodie comes on strong and shows the rightstuff to be our QBOTF I still want us to draft a QB next year to upgrade the posision and not worry bout it.
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Unless it's Stafford. I would like Matty to start from day 1. |
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Wow, you true fans were right:
Huard can lead us to 8 wins Huard gives us the best chance to win At least Huard can move the offense The team plays harder when Huard is in Huard will teach the young guys You True Fans are the smartest bunch. Like awesomely brilliant even. Huard 4-11 33 yards 2 turnovers 0 points 0 heart 0 pride 1 ball thrown out of bounds 1 ball thrown into the dirt 3 tipped balls |
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Huard throws another int 3 turnovers by Damon Huard today |
Croyle doesn't deserve a another shot, neither does Huard and neither does Thigpen. It's time to go franchise QB shopping in the offseason, obviously.
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Huard benched, or quits
True Fans weep and pee |
Croyle may not deserve to be the future of the franchise, but he sure as hell deserves the rest of the season to see if he can be a reliable backup.
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huard should never take another snap for this team
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Croyle bandwagon in this one...
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Double banned
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