Great post......

There is a gigantic difference between a team that's "rebuilding" and showing progress while losing and what the Chiefs are doing.

The Chiefs have elected to "rebuild". Fine. I don't think anyone has a problem with that concept. The problem is that it's not actually being executed. Ditching all your veteran talent and bringing in young players is only half the equation, those younger players have to be adequately coached and given direction to succeed. That is clearly not happening here.

Rebuilding also means competent decisions being made by the front office/GM. Knowing which veterans to cut/trade and which to keep. Peterson sucks at that. Exhibit A...we let Jared Allen go (supposedly because Carl wasn't sure he could stay out of the bars) but kept serial woman beater (assault x3) Larry Johnson, who's career was effectively over 2 years ago after Herm ran him 420 times in a season. How long until Larry is suspended by the league, or joins Lawrence Phillips in jail?

The Chiefs will get by without our money Reerun. I don't intend to spend a dime. My wife, daugthers and thier husbands and I attend 3 games a year. I foot the bill for the event. We will attend no games until 2010 season which sounds like the year Herm is gone.

he will get it when fans stop attending games.

For the record, I don't agree with their actions, but it is what is happening, and if they could trade LJ right now they would.

I'll take any bet, that if we win less than 4 games, Herm will not be fired.

Exactly my point. They (primarily Carl, likely with input from Herm) ****ed up and didn't trade him while they could...last offseason. His troubles last year could have been explained away via the foot injury. Now every team in the league is seeing that he's effectively not the runner he was pre-'07 and that he's got a real problem beating women. He is now essentially worthless.

Meanwhile, Jared Allen...the bogeyman according to Carl Peterson...is up here in Minneapolis being a model citizen and productive player.

Brilliant call Carmen Peterwards.

Well Calrk Hunt, I don't plan on buying any tickets or Chiefs "stuff" until things change.

No doubt. They have screwed up on multiple decisions, but it does not change the fact that Clark has 0 expectations as far as wins, and will not axe Herm if we don't win shit. I think it's part of the plan that these guys have put together. Too bad Clark doesn't know herm will never be able to win, once we put all the pieces together.

Productive player? 70 Million bucks worth? Not hardly.

You must be reading between lines of coke. They aren't going anywhere next year, and Clark Hunt doesn't give a **** what anyone else thinks.

Correct. They are going nowhere. I'll bet anything on it.

I'd even go so far as to say that Carl keeps a position within the organization when his contract is up.

I wish I worked for Clark Hunt. All you have to do is show up to keep your job.

Germ Warfare is going to be at war for much longer than we expected..........God help us.

I hope you're right. :grovel:

Notice what Clark DIDN'T say. He didn't say, "Of course Herm will be coaching the Chiefs next year. He's under contract."

If the Chiefs finish 1-15 Herm isn't coming back. If the Chiefs finish 5-11, he is.

Hopefully you can find a better name over the next year and a half...

That's actually not a bad read. I don't think you can for sure say what Clark is going to do just yet. But the one thing I got from that is that he is trying to be patient right now as we have a lot of youth. But it also sounds like he expects them to play better in the 2nd half of the season. I wonder if that doesn't happen if Clark will get rid of those morons.

I wouldn't bet the farm on him being gone.

I seriously think Clark wants that 1st pick, that he doesn't give a damn if we win another game. He's already thrown out the built in excuse of all the rookies we're playing.
He said in these guys second or third year they will be playing better. He's gonna let herm, and Carl have 1 more draft, and season reguardless if you ask me.

Oh **** you, Zouk. **** you very much. I didn't flip flop and my decision not to support Herm was based entirely on reason.

Ass.

the dreaded vote of confidence.

this is the best thing I've heard in a long time

God I wish this prick would sell the team to somebody who actually gives a shit. 4321

Yeah, that's the problem, the 1-4 record this season.

Nothing to do with not winning a playoff game in 15 years or never trying to develope a QB before Brodie, never having a balance of offense & defenseive talent, the same GM still in place after 20 years of never seeing a super bowl.

Nope, it's the 1-4 record this season. Give me a break.

??? I don't get it.

To me the one sure sign that things are not going to change is:

Why the **** are we 32million ? under the salary cap???!!!!

Hunt wants it this way so the Hunts don't have to pay for the stadium out of their own pockets

Exactly.

Because if we would have filled holes in the off-season, and put ourselves in position to win 6-7 games we would not be able to so easily tank the season, and get higher draft picks, and have the money left over to fill the holes that are left from the picks that bust, or don't pan out.

Seriously. Beach tribe or Germ warfare?

Zouk is a big fan of Herm...it's really not worth trying.

The Hunts have poured $150 million of their own money in the cost overruns for the renovations.

I hate it when facts get in the way.

ROFL

How many posts have you made over the last three days, Warpath? You're burning up the keyboard. Take a break. This shit will drive you insane.

That's why I go over to DC I like to bust out the :Poke: and laugh to myself.

32 million of it coming from being under the cap? I think that is his point.

who are you kidding?

exactly and will it be the same next year, I hope not. It would be a shame to have a newly renovated stadium that almost empty on game day. Hey When I was a kid I use to watch the Chiefs practice at Liberty so I went through the good, the bad, the great, but now its the ugly but I will still watch. Its like a car wreck.

Doesn't Clark realize that there is a make-believe internet army calling for Herm and Carl's jobs?

I would have thought for sure that a group of grown men creating the equivalent of a schoolyard "Boys only, No Herm's allowed" club would have been the back breaker that got him fired...

Clark just doesn't care.... let's fire him too....

It goes a little further then this BB :)

Yes.... some people want to actually shit on Carl's porch...

I would, but he would probably like it....

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m...exmaspoo-1.jpg

look at other owners that have put big money into a stadium renovation. they never spend big money in that offseason.

Jerry Jones is really not spending on his team despite paying for part of his stadium.

okay, I should have said hardly ever.

jerry jones is a crazy old man anyway.

Wish the crazy ass was the owner of this team

At first, I thought he was Herm.

Absolutely....

Eleventy-billion and 4.

Dealing with some of the ****tards around this place keeps me sharp. :D

I just finished a paper for my International Relations class on the Robert McNamara documentary, "The Fog of War".

Some of my best work...

I think he might be :eek:

Nice.

Fans apparently think they are more important than they really are.

See the quote in my sig line from Marv Levy? I've probably heard something similar come out of almost every organization in the league at some point in time.

Call it a big "**** you" if you want, but Marv's right. Making decisions because it's what the fans want is a recipe for disaster in professional sports.

Herm doesn't have the interwebs.

And I can guarantee that Clark, and co. could give a shit what any of us think.

Clark gives a shit if you plan to buy one of the new luxury suites.
If not, as I said in an earlier post:
"The Chiefs are worth over a billion dollars. Go F yourself with a wooden dowel rod."
Clark, the Dark

Exactly. This is not exclusive to KC, however.

Please .... enlighten all of us with your brilliance.


just what lines are you reading between?

Herm will not be fired after this season. I will make any bet to the contrary.

Someone really should take this bet. I'm cursed in betting, and maybe my super anti-luck will mean his doom.

Why would Clark sign off on a complete tear down, trade away the teams best defensive player, leave 30 million under the cap, give Carl the ability to trade away the teams best offensive player and then fire the coach and GM for not fielding a competitive team?

Because we never had any intention to be competitive this season.

The same that Fringe is, apparently.

I think it's perfectly clear that Herm and Carl are gone come January.

I think that SOME of the people that are claiming otherwise are doing so out of emotion, and not looking at the interview.

As Clayton said, what's Clark going to do, come out and say, "Yeah, Herm and Carl really suck, but I'm going to wait until the end of the season to fire them." - just to satisfy some fans?

I'm sorry dude, as much as I wish it were not true. Herm, and Carl are completely safe.

I don't think the product on the field has as much to do with is as the shit that's going on behind the scenes and in the locker room.

If management has lost the team, as many here claim they have, then all those reasons you listed mean nothing.

Reading between the lines. Unless things improve dramatically over the rest of the season. Carl is out of here.

Is Carl Peterson doing a good job?

"I think he is. Going back to our discussion about the scouting side working hand in hand with the coaching side, that really starts with Carl. He’s done a good job of overseeing that.

Have you made a decision on his future?

I haven’t. I would give you the same answer with him that I gave you with Herm.

His contract also has one year left when this season is over. Have you had a discussion with him about what he wants to do?

When we re-signed Carl three years ago, he mentioned to me at the time that he planned to retire at the end of his contract. He and I have not had a specific discussion on that point, but I don’t have any reason to believe his desires have changed."




If Carl want to be the GM next season, he will be.

He's damn near praising the guy.

Clark is all about the $$$$$$$.

I so hope you are correct.