Originally Posted by cardken (Post 5238834)

I would agree with you about the Dolphins and Falcons, key points being top draft picks panning out (Matt Ryan), and new competent Head Coaches. The Titans however not so much. They had every intension of running with Young, when that went south, they relayed on a veteran Quarterback in Collins. And also did a lot of FA signing in Kearse, Mc Carriens,& Crumpler. They also the recepiants of a "perfect storm", in a week schedule and a weak division this year. But your "blueprint" can work, QFT. But my original argument being Johnson for the Chiefs is expendible and has value out there.
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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5239320)

I think the pats like to take teams draft picks and draft stars with them... not throw away picks on teams ex stars.

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5239460)

Moss isn't exactly washed up and hes not a RB nearing the deadly age of 30. Dillon was a RB on a team that already had another good RB and the Patriots hadn't drafted Laurence Maroney in the first yet either.

Originally Posted by Alphaman (Post 5239624)

1) Drafting high is not all about the 1st round pick. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks are all picks that should net one of the top 100 players in the draft. Those are huge picks in rebuilding.

2) In the 2 years the Titans were drafting high they only signed 1 free agent, the DE Kyle Vanden Bosch.

3) If LJ doesn't bring at least a 2nd round pick, then he doesn't bring the value necessary to part with him.

4) My original point is that the Chiefs have too many holes to fill to create another by cutting or trading LJ. The Chiefs must acquire a MLB, OLB, DE, OT, OG, QB and CB. That's a lot to fill. Adding RB to the list would not be a wise move.

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 5237679)

ESPN The Magazine actually floats this in their latest issue. A "Don't be surprised if Belichick goes after Larry Johnson" type rumor, likening it to the Pats adding Corey Dillon a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Bwana (Post 5235197)

The guy is worth about a six of old Mill in trade value right now.

Originally Posted by cardken (Post 5235153)

It looks like Larry Johnson's days in KC are over, too many bridges have been burnt and his relationship with the organization seems tarnished. With that said, how would a trade for him to New England sound for a second round pick in this years draft. It seems logical because:


KC has Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith

NE has been known to take chances on players (i.e. Randy Moss, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon)

KC is young and rebuilding so draft picks are very valuable

NE has San Diego's 2nd round pick in 2009

Laurence Maroney has not been able to carry the load for a whole season and would benefit from a joint backfield like in college (Marion Barber)

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5239334)

They "threw away" draft picks for Randy Moss and Corey Dillon.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5237037)

So is Larry Johnson. When was the last time he made a play that made you sit up and take notice? For the kind of money you're laying out for him, he'd better be able to punch it in from the one.

Originally Posted by Alphaman (Post 5244807)

Did you sit up and take notice of LJ yesterday?

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5244873)

Not especially, why?

Originally Posted by chief103182 (Post 5244882)

He broke a 69 yard run, but ran out of gas at about the five yard line and was tackled. I took notice of THAT.

Originally Posted by chief103182 (Post 5244882)

He broke a 69 yard run, but ran out of gas at about the five yard line and was tackled. I took notice of THAT.

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 5244873)

Not especially, why?

Originally Posted by Alphaman (Post 5245158)

Actually if you listened to the announcers they noted that he pulled away from one guy, but McGee is a speedster who was finally able to catch him. I didn't see him run out of gas, he just got caught by a faster player.

He also had a 26 yarder called back on a bogus holding call. 7 carries for over 85 yards.

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5245502)

The old LJ would've taken that run all the way in, he's lost some burst after that 400 carry season but Mcgee is damn fast

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 5245514)

LJ would never have run that ball in. I'm actually surprised he got as far as he did. Seemed to put on a burst to get away from defenders at first. He just got caught by a FAST guy.

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5245524)

When LJ and Priest were doing their thing he had a burst every damn time he ran, now he waits and uhhh waits and yesterday was the first time he have seen him run like that. Of course we had the ultimate line to make things easy too then

Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 5245560)

I agree... he seems to hesitate now where before he would "just run".

That said...

At no point in his career would he have run that in.

The only physical thing you can accuse LJ of missing is breakaway speed.

When he breaks a run, I don't think...

"Is he gonna make it in?!"

I think...

"Where is he gonna get caught?!"

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 5245524)

When LJ and Priest were doing their thing he had a burst every damn time he ran, now he waits and uhhh waits and yesterday was the first time he have seen him run like that. Of course we had the ultimate line to make things easy too then