The problem is nobody likes Florida.

Personally they should just get rid of the whole north/south breakup of the conference and just send the two best teams in the entire conference to the Championship game.

This.

The reality is it doesn't matter that Skip is jealous of Florida. In beating Alabama, Florida would have victories over #1, #4, #6, #20 and #25 and would play for the National Championship.

It's pretty ridiculous that both teams playing for the Big 12 Championship both got beat by Texas.

Using that as the only argument would still not put Texas in the drivers seat. It's a three way tie. Using that as the only argument would put Texas Tech over Texas. It was decided on the FIFTH tie breaker. It was decided correctly. Go Sooners.

I see your point, but I think there's only one year where there's been a clear one and two, which was USC and Texas... every other year there's either more than two teams without any bad losses or fewer than one team without a bad loss.

In 2007, LSU lost to Arkansas, USC to Stanford, WVU to Pittsburgh, Georgia to South Carolina. In 2006, Florida, LSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Boise State, and Michigan didn't have any bad losses. In 2004, we ended up with 3 undefeated teams from BCS conferences, plus Utah.

Yeah, under the playoffs a team might be forgiven for a bad loss, but with today's parity and the fact that they are just college kids, it's sort of a given that there will be bad losses; and it's not guaranteed a bad loss will be forgiven.

A plus one is a step in the right direction, but IMO there are too many good teams to pick the two with the least number of bad losses or the team that was able to get through the Big 11 without a loss or whatever.

I would say 8, and don't forget that a playoff system doesn't eliminate bowls, it just makes for better BCS matchups. It's not until you go back to 2005 where there's a clear 1 vs. 2, and the year before that there were 3 undefeated BCS teams. Given the years below, I'd take the playoff every time.

2008:
Alabama: Undefeated
UF: Yeah, they have one bad loss in September, but they can obviously play with anyone in the country, and they have a few quality wins.
OU: No bad losses, quality wins.
Texas: No bad losses, quality wins.
USC: One bad loss in September
Texas Tech: One bad loss to a very good team, but a few quality wins.
Utah: Undefeated
Boise State: Undefeated

Why a playoff works: Everyone on the list has <2 regular season losses, and everyone except for Ball State has 2+ losses.
Issues: USC is the only team on the list that doesn't really have a quality win (even though they smacked OSU around) AND has a bad loss, and Ball State is left out.

Why the BCS works: The SEC and Big 12 Championships act as a playoff.
Issues: Look at all the good teams! There are a lot of questions regarding the B12 South, and USC is right there. Outside of the possible SEC/B12 NC, the matchups are going to SUCK... Penn State vs USC and the ACC versus perhaps Texas, instead of playoff matchups like USC vs the SEC runner-up or an OU/BSU rematch.

2007:
LSU: One bad loss, but a few quality wins.
Georgia: One bad loss, and didn't lose after 10/6.
USC: One bad loss, a couple of quality wins.
Mizzou: Beat Texas Tech and Illinois, lost to OU twice.
WV: One bad loss, a couple of iffy-quality wins.
Kansas: One loss by 8 points to the mighty Mizzou Tigers (see what I did there?)
OU: A couple of bad losses, and a couple of quality wins.
OSU: A couple of iffy-quality wins, one bad loss

Why a playoff works: Everyone needed a second chance to prove themselves, and all teams left out had 2+ losses.
Issues: The only question is between VTech and a second or third B12 team. Mizzou might get screwed.

Why the BCS works: Are you kidding? Did anyone really deserve to be in the NC game?
Issues: LSU, Mizzou, WVU, Kansas, and OSU lost their last game. There was only one 1-loss team, and they didn't have a quality win. Mizzou got screwed.

2006:
UF: A few quality wins, no bad losses.
OSU: A couple of quality wins, no bad losses.
LSU: A couple of quality wins, no bad losses.
USC: A couple of bad losses.
Boise State: Undefeated.
Louisville: A couple of quality wins, one bad loss.
Auburn: A couple of quality wins, a couple of bad losses.
Michigan: One quality win.

Why a playoff works: UF, OSU, and LSU were the best 3, and in hindsight BSU was for real.
Issues: None, really. Everyone on the outside had 2+ losses, and Wisconsin lost to Michigan.

Why the BCS works: There was a pretty clear 1 vs 2, and OSU/Michigan acted as a playoff.
Issues: OSU benefited from playing in the Big 11; LSU had no bad losses and more quality wins. BSU went undefeated.

So does Harris.

College football is my favorite sport but its credibility took another hit today:shake:

I'm pretty happy with the possibility of Alabama/Florida vs Texas/OU for the national title. It is sure better then a 2 loss LSU team playing an over-rated Ohio State team.

I have hated all florida teams since I knew what football was. I NEVER want to see a Florida team in the championship game. NEVER

I'm disappointed because OU has a better shot than Texas. I want to see a Florida-Texas national title game. I think Texas would beat OU again if they played today.

At least you acknowledge your bias. :shrug:

It was ingrained in me at a young age and I am proud of it.:D

I agree that Florida should make the championship game if they beat Alabama, but you're being a bit inconsistent here.

You try to bolster Florida's case by explaining that its one loss was to a Mississippi team that is currently ranked, and subsequent games have proven that they are better than first thought. But you use previous rankings when pointing out the teams Florida has beat, even though they don't currently hold those rankings and subsequent games have shown they may have not merited such high rankings.

I am all for this.

OUCH

I'd be fine with an Alabama-Oklahoma national title game if Alabama won.

OU edges out UT by virtue of the non-conference wins against ranked teams in Cincinnati and TCU.

If not for the dropped interception at the end of the UT TT game, this is a moot argument, UT is undeafted and the unquestioned #1.

Good job, that guy read your post and just shot himself.

Wait till next week when Mizzou upsets OU, this is going to get real whacky.

Not really. The BCS would love that because it would put Texas in the title game against the winner of the SEC. That way nobody has a gripe (except the mid-majors, and who cares about them anyway?).

Ha, looking good. I have a feeling we wont choke this year in the BCS national champ.

If they play in that game they had better show up better than you are in fantasy football. :cuss::)

Not logged in for a month?

And another Big 12 team with 1 loss that beat a #1, #9, and a #23, the #1 being Texas, that is getting no consideration at all.

How's that? It was a 3-way tie. Texas beat OU, OU beat Texas Tech, Texas Tech beat Texas. There's no clear head to head because one is negated by the other head to head matchups. The Big 12 had agreed to let BCS standings decide in the even of a 3-way tie.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and OU won on the nuetral field, then got beat by Tech, while Tech got beat by Texas, but when it was all said and done Texas was going to the Big 12 championship game instead of OU, Texas would be defending the system instead of blasting it.

I think the OU-Texas result is the best piece of evidence. I think Texas would beat OU in a rematch. Texas Tech can't complain because they weren't competitive against OU.

Tech beat Texas, OU anhilated Tech, OU played Texas as their fist legit, non-gimmie game of the season. Since then OU has really come around and is playing some solid ball. I seriously doubt Texas could beat OU right now - even at Texas Stadium.

That would definetly get rid of the sour taste from saturday and the sore jaw i have

My guess is that at the OU UT game at Dallas they sell 1/2 the stadium to each team. That makes it a neutral field. BS. The field is in Texas at the state fair.

Move the game to Texarkana (is that in Texas, if not Fayetville) and then call it a neutral field.

The point that no one is discussing is why is MU even playing. If they had any dignity they would concede (the Big 12 was exposed this year.)

The Big 12 Commish shoud step in and replace MU with Texas.

I agree that it's a a joke that MU is in the Championship game, but rules are rules and they need to be followed IMO.

Have you ever been to a UT/OU Game? The point is it's at a location between the two schools and not on one of the campuses. There is no decided advantage for either school.

OU was playing solid ball before UT ran all over them. The game was decided on the field at a neutral site. (FYI - site was picked by both schools years ago and first suggested by OU).

So TT beats UT at home at the last second, OU kills TT at home, and UT won ALL thier home games too. Big deal. When you're very good - you usually win at home. UT beat OU at a neutral site. They won easily. The game was decided on the field rather than by speculation. I seriously doubt OU could beat UT even if they played again.

Never been to a UT OU game. I spent some time in Austin and I know that when you are in Texas it is like you are in another country.

Not even California puts their state flag, map, logo, state bird etc on every chip bag, soda, beer etc

Dallas is in Texas and not even close to Norman. Not 1/2 way. OU's fault for agreeing I guess but since no one talks about it who I am to say in Cal.

I wish Or State would have lost to Oregon so SC could have re-matched Texas and won in the Fiesta Bowl. Now, we will have a bunch of bad Bowl games that won't be watchable.

My guess is that OU would'nt agree to the game "for the last how many years?" if they didn't agree if it was fair

Nope. The BCS took another hit today.

College football is very much alive. Everyone is talking about it.

:spock:

Just your opinion. Fact is it didn't happen as you're suggesting. TT wasn't even competitive at OU. UT was very competitive at TT. The point you're ignoring is the most compelling one in that UT easily beat OU.

I agree - rules are rules and they need to be followed so I understand and accept the fact that OU is playing for the Big 12 Championship. The fault is with the rankings in that UT should be ranked ahead of OU. They proved on the field, without any doubt, they were better than OU. How anyone can dispute this is laughable.

IMO - Harris and AP got it right...

Penn State/Boise State play-in game for #8 seed. (Screw #10.)

1. Bama v. 8. Penn/Boise (Yeah, it's Penn.)
2. OK v. 7. TX Tech
3. TX v. 6. Utah (God help them.)
4. USC v. 5. USC

Simple stuff. Carry the bracket forward.

Yep. And few know that they first posed the site.

Then what was your point?

What, noone is even in the same league as USC, so they have to play themselves?

USC would easily win that game....even on the road.

It's already been pointed out in this thread that no one likes Florida, so they're just not invited.:D

(Oops. Bad typo. Good catch.)

Have you ever thought about a career as a copy editor? Or a homeless man asking for change daily at the doorstep of a well-respected communications firm?

Nope, the pay isn't good enough.

This on the other hand... Hmmm....

and here I thought you did it on purpose.

LMAO

Complete ignorance. Norman is closer than Austin to the cotton bowl.

Easily beat OU? Say, you got a copy of that game, I'd like to watch it because that is nothing like what they aired on local TV up here. In fact, up here they showed a game that had OU leading all of the first quarter, all of the second all of the 3rd until about a min to go when Texas hit a FG, giving Texas the lead for 3-4 minutes until Bradford throw a TD pass to score another TD. Wasn't until somewhere around half way through the 4th that UT finally got the lead and held onto it. Add in OU lost their best tackler and MLB in the first part of the 3rd qtr.

Not what I'd call "Easily Beat OU" Texas won, but they had to work their tails off and get a few breaks to do it. That game could have just as easily gone the other way.

The game may be in Texas, but Dallas is right at halfway between Norman and Austin.

Why should MU concede? Is it their fault that the other teams in the Big 12 north stink? MU was heading for a national title game last year until OU knocked them out of any BCS bowl possibilities. MU has a chance this year to return the favor.