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Do You Suffer from TFS? True Fan Syndrome? If So, We Can Help
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=198633)
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Furthermore, Kurt Warner is a great QB for one reason and one reason only: Kurt Warner. The guy played Arena League, World League and sat on the bench in St. Louis before playing. No one "developed" him but himself. To think otherwise is naive. |
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Warner went to two Super Bowls, winning one. If you're trying to make the argument that Warner is a more talented and better QB than Elway, you lose. Hands down. |
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There may be no cure for you. |
I would have to agree that Kurt Warner is basically a self-made QB. The guy was left for dead after his time with the New York Giants, and he's turned into an MVP candidate in Arizona.
He just seriously might be the most incredible NFL story ever. |
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It is kind of ironic that Warner had the best WR combo in St. Louis and then again in Arizona.
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He got seriously beaten up during the end of his time in St. Louis, and almost seemed like a "dead man walking." I wonder how many concussions he got in St. Louis? I am not making light of the fact, he is an incredible story. |
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Was Elway any better at the very end of his career when he finally got the victory? Not hardly. He was great long before this, and not winning the SB wouldn't have changed this fact. |
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Game managers of the world might have that one season where they overachieve, or the team around them plays historically good (like the Ravens defense). But teams like that can not sustain excellence consistently through years. |
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A good question would be, can you (the Planet at large) name a franchise QB who never reached the SB? Don't have to win it. Just get there. |
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This is before my time, so I defer to the Skips on the board. :) |
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:clap: Do you judge QBOTF by their box scores? Do you think that risk is scary, and therefore, wish to draft last in every round to avoid the perception of failure? Do you think that Marty and Bill Cowher are the only two coaches left on the planet? Do you think that Gunther was once a great coordinator? Do you think that reaction is safer than action? Do you think every other team that actually drafted a QBOTF just 'got lucky' and that it could never happen to us? Is your name [alias of claythan and hootie]? Do you prefer tailgating to Championships? Do you fear the unknown? Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense? Do you believe that the run sets up the pass? Do you believe that Stafford "has done nothing worth mentioning" in college? Do you think QBs don't need to know how to play from under the center, and that learning 5 and 7 step drops is irrelevant because once Thigpen completed a 7 yard pass to a hall of fame tight end in quadruple coverage? Do you think Dane is cool? Well, then you, my reeruned friend, you are a True Fan. |
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Carson Palmer |
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That was perfect! |
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Moon is a good example. |
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this thread scores 1000
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One. Only one franchise-level QB has never made the big dance. This is a good bar. I would say that all franchise-level QB's are likely HOF worthy. |
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Two. ****ing two. If this doesn't highlight the importance of trying to find a QB of this caliber, I don't know what does. |
Do you believe that 'being close in the 4th quarter' is the objective of an offense?
When Herm makes that comment -- followed by "and that's all you can hope for, really" -- I just want to scream. How can anyone agree with that nonsense? |
Here is the Hall of Fame Quarterback List
Winners Bart Starr (2) Joe Namath Len Dawson Johnny Unitas Roger Stabuach (2) Bob Griese (2) Terry Bradshaw (4) Joe Montana (4) Troy Aikman (3) Steve Young John Elway (2) Losers in the Super Bowl Sonny Jurgensen Fran Tarkenton Dan Marino Jim Kelly Didn’t Make It Dan Fouts Warren Moon Pre-Super Bowl Era *George Blanda (kicker in the Super Bowl) Otto Graham Bobby Layne YA Tittle Norm Van Brocklin Bob Waterfield |
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Based on the simple fact they were drafted as high as they were, you'd have to say any QB drafted in the top 5-10 would be a franchise QB, correct? |
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You need to add this in some form: Do you believe that the only way to be a winning team is to throw money at the most expensive Free Agents every year, regardless of need? |
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By all means, let's take his draft-by-fear based approach and hope that we hit on a 9th round QB from Western Mennonite Tech. You also left out Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, John Elway, forgot that Cutler and Palmer are actually good, Ben Roethlisberger, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, among others. Oh, and by the way, Captain TF, those great Marty teams, both pre and post-Chief who was he continually losing to in the playoffs? Elway X3 Kelly X2 Marino X2 Clearly, we're much better off just getting a role player and spending a top 10 pick on a right tackle or strong safety, eh? |
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98% of the supporters arguments contradict themselves... Its sad but its fact... |
They don't get any "true fanner" than this shit:
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You know what I want a coach to say? The objective is to blow them the hell out for 3 quarters so we can get the bench guys in for mop up duty. It's a ****ing loser attitude. It's like being the last one cut from the baseball team. Well at least you were "close" to making it. You dumb Herm asslickers want a leader that just wants to be "close" in the fourth quarter. When teams are close to Herm Edwards in the 4th quarter, Herm goes into a shell. He can keep pointing to those single-digit losses. All that tells me is that he can't close the deal. |
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Warren Moon is a great example. No one with half a brain would question that he was a great, great player. Contrast him with Green. Here's a player who went to a Pro-Bowl, had some very nice seasons, but was very much a system guy. I'm not knocking system guys; you can win with them, but I'm looking for a higher tier. In short, this is subjective. Good banter for bars or message boards. |
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"So, you're saying you're still a virgin?" "Yeah, but all you can really ask for is to be close..." "Um...unless you want your dick wet..." |
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If so, that's gonna skew the data a bit, don't you think? If we knew who was going to be a franchise QB BEFORE they ever played a down, I doubt you'd be getting much argument from people... |
The team has always been run very conservative, I think that's where alot of this come from. No 1st round QB's, resign your own players that had produced before even if it wasn't a good idea, you breed something for so long people just get use to it and then it's the norm.
It was to the point that saying LJ should be moved before he re-signed caused basically everyone but a few people to say we should keep him. |
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Brady did it twice in the Super Bowl. Montana did it. Eli Manning did it. Elway did it. Hell, Jim Kelly did it in a Super Bowl. It doesn't just have to be a Super Bowl, either. Manning has done it in the playoffs more than once, Steve Young did it against the Packers. I've never seen a running game lead a 4th quarter comeback in a 2 minute drill. |
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I was thinking about the fans who are afraid of taking a risk to find one, when darn near every single one has led his team to the SB. Even the current crop tends to suggest this. Roethlisberger, Manning. I wouldn't bet against Cutler. If season one is any indication, I'd put a ton of money on Ryan... |
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And that "combination" was beat in the Super Bowl by Tom Brady. FAIL. |
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The talk is about drafting a QB, and the question was name a franchise QB that didn't make the SB. Then these guys go on to list QB's that were determined to be franchise guys AFTER they had played, not before. You don't have that luxury on draft day of knowing who's going to be a franchise guy - you just hope like hell he is because you've just made a huge investment in him. It's kinda cheating to say that only Fouts and A. Manning were the only two "franchise" QB's to not make the SB. I'm pretty sure guys like Carr, Ware, Leaf, etc were considered franchise QB's when they were picked... |
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this is what you can't make true fans see: it wasn't a matter of execution, our plan was flawed from its inception...the assumptions about how to build a team WERE WRONG AND THEY HAVE TO CHANGE you either get it or you don't....and most kc fans don't get it, and never will |
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Every position carries a label with it in the draft. Basically, the True Fan has eschewed the idea of a franchise QB, the most important position, because they are afraid of the risk of one not working out, as though there aren't Robert Gallerys, Tony Mandariches, Blair Thomases, Charles Rogerses, Ryan Simses, Aundray Bruces, DeAngelo Halls,Michael Huffs and David LaFluers at every position. |
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You can't cheat and only use guys that were considered franchise guys after the fact. I'm pretty sure Houston considered David Carr a franchise QB, or they wouldn't have picked him 1st overall. You're also using guys that were picked in later rounds, and this place is notorious for saying you can't get a franchise QB outside the Top 15. Again, I agree with you guys, but I think you're going about it the wrong way. |
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TE's, RG's, RB's all devalued positions not to mention the reerun fullback obsession. |
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My point is that it's disingenuous to say that damn near every franchise QB has made the SB, when it's not even remotely close to being true. |
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You're right that there have been all sorts of frauds, and there are going to be probably at least 2-3 imposters in the upcoming draft class. We'll have to sit through the bullshit spewed by Kiper, Jaws, and the rest, and many of these "franchise" guys will fail. My only point is that the risk if worth it, and it's one that this franchise must take. For grins, let's say we are fortunate enough to draft a Stafford, and then let's say he sucks the penis for three straight years (or enough time for it to be clear that he's definitely not the guy, whatever amount that is). No development. No indication that he'll improve. I'm going to be the first to say, let's draft another QB. Let's keep firing. True fan, b/c his mother clearly swallowed the fraction of the sperm containing his nut sack, is far too scared to try once, let alone to try, fail, and want to try again. |
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It's semantics at this point. We're in agreement, I believe. Point is, take the ****ing risk and be willing to deal with the consequences. |
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The question for some people is: Is Stafford worth that risk? To some he is - to others, he isn't. Where things get lost in translation is when the Stafford-ites try to claim you're not willing to take the risk just because you don't like their guy. |
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In Indy, there were probably a group of loud mouths screaming for Ryan Leaf. Probably about 50 percent of the fan base. It's the same thing here. About 75 percent of the board wants to slob Stafford, while the others dream of coddling Bradford's sack. |
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PhilFree:arrow: |
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He's guy with talent. Reasonbly strong arm, reasonable accuracy, has shown an ability to make plays when there aren't any to be made, has a good head on his shoulders and a leader. What you are actually trying to define is potential. No one can look at a QB and say he's a franchise QB. We can only say that he has the potential. |
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They are either unwilling to admit they are afraid to take the risk, or simply the dumbest mother****ers on the planet. |
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just no medication ok? The videotherapy is fine i can handle that. |
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There are two posters, who will remain nameless, (they know who they are, and honestly, so does everyone else) who attack anyone who doesn't like Stafford. Period. I've said countless times that I'm not sold 100% on Stafford, but if Sanchez was to declare, I'd be all for it. I was labeled a true fan, chickenshit, afraid to take risks. It's bullshit, and you know it. You know as well as I do this isn't exclusive to the guys who pimp Daniel... |
I got some pretty good data coming up on top 5 quarterbacks.
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But I do call out some idiots, like the one that actually started the thread that he stated Daniel is a better propspect and I just wanted to set the record straight. |
I'll say one thing about Stafford. He might be the ugliest mother****er in the draft. And this is the guy who is going to be "the face of the franchise"? He's going to cock block Chiefs fans all over the country, as well as reaffirm the Camaro persona.
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I haven't been feeling good lately.
I fear I may have contracted something from my close contact to many of the planeteers. |
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What are your symptoms? |
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I didnt know TFS syndrome was contagious? |
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Quarterback carries the most risk because it's the most valuable. Risk aversion only prohibits you from potentially securing the most valuable position on the team, and that is a losing proposition. |
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PhilFree:arrow: |
Give him the power!
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We could not have success because we had Trent Green as our QB. Repeat that to yourself 5 times and tell yourself you are right.
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I'm not really into these childish games, but I'll play in this instance. What will the fanboys do if Stafford isn't there in the first? Shit yourselves? Want to take Bradford, or a POS like Sanchez? Will the draft be a failure if we don't take a QB in the first? I'm all for taking a first round QB, just not for the sake of taking one only because it's the first round. If ever there was a bust proof QB on the board, I just don't see that in a very inconsistent Stafford.
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