I've been pinping Haley for a couple days now in other posts. That being said, I too am concerned with the spats between him and players today. Still an interesting option.

Herm only has 1 playoff appearance in KC and he essentially had to have 50 miracles to happen to back his way into that playoff appearance (probably one of the worst playoff teams since the merger).

Since then he has won 6 games.

link?

Doesn't concern me, Bolding was obviously whining about not being in there...

Really, doesn't that show leadership if he's arguing with Boldin in the middle of a game-winning drive? Boldin's probably pissed about the playcalling and Haley pretty much says, "here's how it's done, now leave."

Would you rather he pull a Mike Singletary and send him to the locker room like a parent sends a child to his room?

The fact that a player would argue with a coach during a game shows a that they don't respect him. Maybe it says more about the player than the coach, but I think it reflects badly on both. Those boundaries should have been established long, long ago.

IMO, Todd Haley didn't do near as much for that offense this year than Kurt Warner did.

Todd Haley wasn't very well liked when he coached the WR's in Dallas either.....

Being concerned about his relationship with players is a legit concern, as far as I know in his stays he's had numerous problems and spats with players.

I'm just glad he's not a ****ing Italian piece of crap!

It was one guy...I point fingers at Boldin....he has been unhappy for a while now ever since he hasn't received the big money he wants. Now if Fitzgerald was mouthing off....then yeah...I would point fingers at Haley. But in this instance, Fitz had 3 touchdowns and I dont think Boldin liked not being in the spotlight.

As for the Cowboys...well that whole team is/was/has been dysfunctional for some time now...so I'm not touching that.

What about when Warner was yapping at him early in the game on the sideline? It wasn't as hostile as the Boldin situation appeared, but I can't imagine a player doing that to, say, Belichick.

Ya I remember seeing that....I don't feel either of them were as animated as you said compared to the Boldin incident. I didn't read into it that much, viewed it as them yelling over the crowd noise...

Emotions are high during their first NFC Championship game ever, and in the end it was the Offense that put together a well orchestrated drive to win them the game. I didn't consciously pay much attention to the Cards offensive coaching this year, but I don't recall hearing about any issues. eh...who knows..

It's irrelevant anyway. Scott Pioli is not Jerry Jones. No player insubordination is going to be tolerated under Pioli. That's the New England way, and that's way Pioli meant when he said the roster isn't going to be the best 53, but the right 53.

...Yup...I love it too...get LJ outta here.

Yes. We have to stop evaluating coaches based on their X's and O's. It's important, but the #1 thing you can do is know how to manage a team, a game, and your coaches, as well as how to be the face of the organization. It's the absolute most important quality of a team.

Case-in-point... Tomlin is a defensive guy and his specialty is the Tampa 2, but he has Lebeau and Arenas to do all the dirty work. But yet, he's a hell of a coach. Why? Because he knows how to lead.

I don't know if this is a good thing for a coach though:

"Just the emotions of the game," Haley said. "We're emotional guys. Like I said, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that's the way I go about business and I have to deal with that on a full-time basis."

(He's talking about Boldin)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=3843834

sounds like Gunther, but on offense...

This move would not excite me at all. I wouldn't see it as much of an upgrade over a Herm type. Doesn't strike me as a dynamic enough personality. I'm not sure I'd fall in love with a guy as a candidate based on a single playoff run with a QB and WR who got hot at the right time. Coaching in this division and in the KC weather is a different beast, and running your own team is a different thing in itself.

That said, whoever Pioli ultimately decides will be a good match to his personality and philosophy, I'll support. I'm going to give Pioli five years to built this team into a perennial winner...

I think Pioli wants an Xs and Os guy. We're going to try to be New England West, with disciplined, smart football players who don't need constant hand-holding by the head coach.

I could be wrong -- we could retain Herm Edwards, or hire someone similar -- but I doubt it.

Sorry...I'm confused, :D Do you doubt you're wrong? Do you doubt we will retain Hermroid? ....or do you doubt we will hire someone similar?

Further insight on the Boldin situation (what a selfish fuck):

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...64363/13040597



Haley's brief discussion about it after the game:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/card...t-cardsnb.html

Don't be an idiot. Larry Fitz didn't "get hot at the right time." He's amazing, always has been amazing, and is just finally getting recognition for what he's deserved throughout his career..

I agree with this, but I think that it's just a fanblog, and not anyone of consequence.

I don't doubt that it's important, but it's overrated. You can be a really solid fundamentals football coach even if you don't have outstanding football intelligence. But I think it's more important that the coach set the tone. He needs to demand hard-nose football, but let's face it--these days, the coordinators are the ones that are calling the plays and the assistant coaches are the ones working directly with the players. A head coach simply does not have enough arms, legs, and brains to individually coach everybody.

Now, I know football doesn't always copy the real world, but in the real world, the best managers are the ones that know how to delegate and know how to work with people. There are a ton of super-talented people who never succeed because they insist on taking everything themself because they don't trust others to do their job. And so, like any management position, the head coach's job isn't to sit down and write up creative plays and coach players individually himself. It is his job to make sure that all pieces of the team are operating well.

He has to know the X's and O's and he has to know fundamentals, but it's far more important that he know how to manage people who can do it.

And the lawsuit thing does not really help my confidence about his personality.

I don't disagree with any particular thing you said. Most football coaches know enough Xs and Os to satisfy Pioli. Herm is one of those who does not.

See, that's what I am afraid of. I don't mind an animated emotional coach, but not a crazy one. I'm not saying Haley is the latter, but we have to be careful and thoroughly analyze him.

Could be. I don't think Herm will be fired for the X's and O's, though. I think he'll be fired because he doesn't subscribe to the tough, hard-nosed, fundamentally flawless football that I'm sure Pioli wants to promote.

The key distinction is that you can find that mentality in a positions coach, even if they don't have the same X's and O's experience as coordinators.

Russ Grimm > Todd Haley

Haley has as much offensive talent in Arizona as almost anyone in the league.


would be a better indication of what he can do with LESS talent.