They have better players in certain areas than we have

Berry and Dockett are better than anyone we have on our Dline. PERIOD

Dansby is better than any LB that we have

Their CB's are getting better and better, drafting in the 1st rd for DRC and Rolle have helped them and Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL



WE HAVE NO PLAYERS AT ALL OF THIS TALENT LEVEL, maybe DJ or Flowers

**** I dunno

JA loved KC (probably why he wanted to open a bar here) wanted to be in KC and get paid as well, Carl made a promise to him, Jared Allen did what was asked of him, and then Carl ****ed him over. Then Jared wanted out.


Why people dont understand this is beyond me

I believe that Rolle is their FS......so that gives them a damn good set of safeties to work with.

That does happen when you're picking Top 10 for a long time though.

Another Frank Burns - if the patient dies, it's either God's will or somebody else's fault.

Those poor bastards in Detroit - all that suffering, and no end in sight. At least they have good basketball and hockey teams.

Don't forget, Detroit, and a lot of Michigan are dependent on the auto industry.

They didn't deserve to have Gunther put on them.

as DaBears,Packers,ViQueens all rejoice....

Gun has sucked under far too many coaches and with far too many different players to not be consider a "common dominator" in this whole cluster ****.


not to mention the fact that he couldn't ever field a defense that could handle the bootleg, disguise a blitz or "would try" to tackle correctly ..... these are COACHING ISSUES.

talent versus premium talent is always a problem but you can see problems beyond that

I would much prefer a defensive cooordinator that teaches his players how to play basic defense and tackle the ball.

Gunther's problem is that he stays up night after night during the season trying to figure out some magical way of calling some wonderful defensive play.

Football is pretty plain and simple. I rather the Chiefs find coaches that can figure out how to coach a team working a 60 hour work week during the season.

If you have a coach that spends 80-100 hours a week during the season trying to think up stupid sh*t, you have an ineffective coach. That is what Gunther is, IMO.

Yes. I try not to be ignorant of other teams. That team has some really awesome ****ing players.

That's their own fault. Move somewhere else. Are you telling me that they can't just move overseas where there are tons of these autoplants?

Rod Hood is the other one I believe. And their other Safety (Francisco) is pretty good too. Oh, and Ralph Brown is another CB. He's a solid veteran backup.

LaBoy is also really good, he's just hurt. And dirty looking.

I thought he made the promise before the last DUI, or is that just me brain farting...

Hold the phone
Is it fact or fiction
Herm called Gun to be DC in NY

I never heard that. I dunno.

That's true, I believe. Carl probably offered more money, though.

Here you go, from January 16, 2004, right after his extension in NY:


http://www.sptimes.com/2004/01/16/Sp...two_year.shtml

Don't save your Chiefs gear this time, Gun. You are done... give that shit to charity. **** you.

Multi-Quote is your friend, don't be afraid to us it. :)

Our D sucked so bad last year.
Who was our DC?
It was you Gunth.

lol. Well, I read through each one and then reply.... :-P My posting skills are low on my to-do list. Sorry.

I feel bad for the Lions' fans.

ROFL

Jared did get suspended and had a bout with the law if I'm not mistaken. But I generally agree with your point.

I believe Gun didn't want any part of it. But had it forced on him. I suppose he did the best he could but couldn't make it work with the guys we had.
That said he still shouldn't of thrown Herm under the bus even though Herm should of been steamrolled long ago.

This.

I do, too. It's like going from Gomer Pyle to Goober Pyle.

This is the best thing I've read today. Well put sir. Also, since Rivera has left, "cover 2" has become a dirty phrase in Chicago.

GUN for HC!!!!! ROFL

You couldn't be more wrong.

Jared Allen left because of money and because of an abrasive GM who was making insulting offers and even stooped to the point of calling Allen an "at risk" player in a public press conference to lower Allen's stock.

I don't know why people act like Allen didn't want to be in KC. If anything, he had too much fun in Kansas City (as we all know). He was great to his teammates, great to his fans, and he even opened a restaurant there.

Plain and simple: if Allen got offered a good contract, he would have stayed in Kansas City.

So far he has blamed:
1) Being in the booth instead of the sidelines
2) Not having the right players (in 2004)
3) Being restrained by an offensive coach who scored too many points too quick
4) Not having his assistant coaches
5) His crappy LBs coach (nevermind that Gun was much worse than Blackmon)
6) Herm Edwards' zone defense
7) Not having veteran free agent leadership.
Never once have I ever heard Gun say that he failed in any way whatsoever. Does he ever bring up his ridiculous wish list in 2005? No. Does he mention that his LBs got WORSE under his watch in 2008 when he fired Blackmon to directly coach LBs? No. Does he mention that he blitzed plenty of times the last few years and still failed to get pressure? No.

Chan Gailey walked into KC with the worst ranked offense in the NFL. He created a new offense out of thin air to match his players' strengths. While Gailey was not perfect, he at least got solid production out of a crappy situation. Gailey doesn't make excuses. Gailey exposed Gun for the fraud that he is.

I agree with this
 

plus you are all throwing Gun under the bus. We Know gun. We know what kind of a defense He can run. Herm came in and totally ruined this team. He took the no 1 offence and made it a piece of shit . Saying we scored too fast ( WTF) said the defense gets tired. I don't get it. If there is one coach in this bunch that we all should know , it's Gun. Don't shit on Gun. Jerks

Gunther is the type of coach that when things are running on all cylinders, his teams are very tough. But when the wheels start coming off he has no idea what to do. I think a coach needs to know what his limits are. He had no idea how to run the Tampa 2 and should have said so. The coach will either fire you or tell you to run what's comfortable. Gunther in this scheme was like Martz in SF.

I have seen nothing from Gunther that indicates that he knows how to coach a defense without Marty Schottenheimer looking over his shoulder.

I'm sorry, but in the two years he coached under Vermeil, we saw what he was capable of. His blitzes were predictable, his players were poorly coached on fundamentals and kept missing tackles, he had his corners playing 10-15 yards off the ball on almost every play for lord knows what reason. And in his 5 years, he has not developed young players like Derrick Johnson.

Gunther piggybacked off Marty. How do I know this? Because Marty Schottenheimer's defenses have been awesome everywhere he has gone.

It's a fitting end to Gunther's reign here. He presided with an offensive head coach, defensive head coach, was allowed to blitz all day, then played back in Cover 2. Pretty much covered every extreme, young players, veteran FA's that he wanted.... under two head coaches who've had a lot more success when he wasn't calling the defense.

And it was never his fault. And instead of working with his head coach to try and make something work like Gailey did, he just came up with a bunch of excuses.

I have doubts Pioli would be GM
if Jared Allen's contract was on the books

Good, I was worried that people would take that statement seriously....

That's what we're used to with him, so I'm not surprised.

Gun must bring something to the table or Schwartz wouldn't have hired him. I'm guessing that Schwartz is going to effectively be DC in Detroit, and Gun is going to be the bad cop. It's quite obvious that Gun can't coordinate a defense himself.

Gun does deserve our thanks, though. It was him more than anyone this year who contributed to the gutting of 1 Arrowhead. Gailey almost singlehandedly prevented it.

uhhh how can you say you were loyal but throw the coach under the bus at the same time?

Exactly. Gun is trying to have it both ways. He's using it as an excuse for why the D sucked, and still trying to make the point "See, I'm loyal to the head coach." He threw out the line "My defenses get after the QB. Always have, always will."... but forgot to add "Except when the head coach tells me to do something different. Then I do what he says so I can keep my job."

Like I said earlier, Gun was following the example that Herm set. I am so glad all of these ****ers are going to be gone. What a waste of three years, the Herm ****ing Edwards era.

Can you imagine running a team where the defensive coordinator and the head coach don't agree fundamentally on the ****ing defensive scheme and the GM's ego prevents them from keeping their best defender?

JFC.