I have no problem with trading down - hopefully we could get back the second round pick we traded to NE.

Mecca will be very happy.

My concern as well. I would have almost preferred to swap 1st round picks then to give up the 2nd.

I like this. He's 26 years old, many productive years left.

Best of all, he got a lot better as the year went on last year. By the end of the season he was playing great football.

I hope we didn't give up too much, but I think this is a great move.

Everette Brown, what does this D need more than a pass rusher? He is elite.

All whining aside, any of those three would be a good addition.

IMO Monroe is the best pick of the three; moving Albert to RT.

He takes too many sacks
He has a below average arm
He throws a crappy deep ball
He put up all his stats in about 4 games
He played with an ungodly WR tandem.

Other than that, nothing.

Whatever happened to Clark Hunt saying that if we wanted to compete for a championship we had to draft and develop our own franchise quarterback?

si

:D

sorry milkmna but i hope they prove you wrong, i watched a lot of film on cassell and i dont think he has as abd of an arm as people say

I'm gonna go tear my balls off..then eat them..shit them out of my ass..scoop them into a blender with the shit-water from the toilet and mail a ballsack/shit smoothie to Arrowhead 1.

You had to know that this was coming in the opening press conference for Scott Piolo when he said and I paraphrase: There is only one Tom Brady and there is only one Matt Cassel

our qb situation is a joke... we had to add a vet, we just added a starter and I'm sure we are still going to draft a late round qb too...

We are adding building blocks..

I hope we gave up a second. We could move back to 10-15 and get value at a position we need and recoup the second.

This board hates Cassel and I've been one of his few defenders here, so naturally most people are going to hate this move. I don't really think Cassel is a franchise QB and I would probably have preffered to draft a QB at 3, but I think Cassel can be a good starting QB in this league and can live with it if it's only for a 2nd rounder.

You need a "franchise quarterback" available in the draft. This year doesn't offer one.

More like Scott Mitchell, part II.

To be honest, there was a ton of value at need at that 2nd round pick - Barwin, Unger, English, Sintim.

Hmmm. Actually, that would kind of be awesome in some ways.

Teams almost never trade up into the top 3. Especially in a draft that lacks elite level talent at the top.

he was in his first year starting. and honestly i could never find where clark ever said draft. but thats another story

Awesome. If this is for the second, I like this a lot.

This is why I almost preferred we swapped 3 for 23 and picked up an extra late round pick as well...

I mean, lets say we take Curry at #3 now...what's the god damn point? That throws the draft point value out the window...you can get a guy at #23 that can have as much of an impact as Curry at #3, and you won't have to pay a cover backer $25M+ guarnteed.

If Raji is rated a top 5 calibre pick, that's a really easy choice. He's the only chance you have at a nose tackle--the most important position in a 3-4.

And again, let me reiterate that DT is the position that historically scores the lowest on the Wonderlic and that Raji struggled with academic ineligibility because he went to a tier 1, challenging school and because he had an academic advisor who didn't do his job.

CP, is that you?

I think we draft Crabtree.

I like this move. You know why?

We've just improved the QB position #1.

Secondly, it creates competition in camp for our QB's.

There is now good depth at the QB position. Cassell comes from a winning team has started a full season and played well. AND, if we didn't give up our #3 overall pick, even better!!

Shit.

Please tell me why Matt Stafford doesn't have more potential than <del>Scott Mitchell</del> Matt Cassel

Trade down is always a possibility.

I think you need to sit back and see what this team looks like after FA and the draft.

Pioli is just getting warmed up.

I don't get how anyone is so convinced that the QB that Detroit doesn't pick would be that much better that Cassel...

what was telling IMO was when he smiled and said he had a qb in mind

Stafford isn't going to be an option. As ****ed up as Detroit is, I doubt they will pass on him.

If the compensation was a 2nd and possible late round pick next year, I think it is fair value. I would have jumped at giving them a third for him, but the #3 overall was too much. Probably just about right.

Unfortunately, he may get roasted on the fire here, since he is rather unexperienced, but he must have showed more promise to Pioli/Haley than any of Sanchez, Stafford, or Thigpen.

Could work out well for us, I'm willing to wait and see.

The Patzification of the Chiefs continues!

Yeah, Raji is the pick if you don't question the fact that he had one year of production (which people love to hold against Sanchez) and that he's a drooling ****ing reerun.

WAIT EVERYBODY!



Has anybody asked Brian Waters to sign off on this deal? What if he doesn't like this move?

If this is for the 2nd, I like it. Thigpen is a joke, I don't want dirty Sanchez, and Stafford will be gone by #3.

Yeak, let's draft a LT first this year, and another with our first next year, and another with our first the year after, and again the the following year.

We'll have the bestest O-Line Ever.


JFC
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My exact thoughts. I'd rather take a guy who has proven he has adjusted to the speed of the NFL game than take a chance on a rookie QB, which history has shown to be about a 50-50 chance of being a bust. Best part is the team still has the #3 pick.

But Hamas knows so much better. That's why he's been an NFL GM since he popped out of the womb.

Well, we just got back to 8-8 next year, so everyone should be happy.

Maybe Orakpo at 3? He has the ahtleticism to play in the 3-4 and could be a Shawn Merrian type.

He's a smart guy who got better as the year progressed.

Hey, I'm not saying he is going to pan out. Who ****ing knows? I saw him make some sensational throws down the stretch and I saw him make some amazingly awful throws...especially some deep balls to Randy Moss.

That said, the kid seemed pretty resilient last year...filling in for Tom Brady is no easy feat...even when the Boston media was calling for Garcia or any veteran...he stood in there and improved ESPECIALLY when it counted.

Pioli isn't stupid. No friggin' way...the only way he makes this move is because he thinks he has a gem in Cassel...and I think he has a much more qualified opinion on the guy than ANYONE on this board...even the drafturbators.

it always seems like belichek trys to help out HIS guys that go on in their first year. and he obviously LOVES pioli so maybe that got us a good deal

We should use the full MLE on Marion.

1) Cassell has a year of NFL experience under his belt; he played well in that season (you cannot deny it, nor can you deny that he had a but load of WR talent to help in that capacity)

2) Pioli knows Cassell's stregths/weaknesses; he also knows what system we will be using and how Cassell fits into that system

3) Stafford never impressed me as a college QB. He was good, but not spectacular. I have friends who went to Georgia/are huge Bulldog fans and they agree: Stafford is the #1QB in this year's draft by default; he is the only one besides Nate Davis who started several seasons and put up decent numbers. Stafford gets the nod over Davis because of the conference.

I trust that Pioli is a good judge of talent and would not have traded for Cassel if he didn't feel very confident about his ability.

The truth is, as he became much more comfortable, he took a lot less sack--most of those sacks happened in the first few games starting. As for the crappy deep ball, I don't understand this obsession with the deep ball. Brady didn't throw a good deep ball when he first started. Arguably, Brady, Pennington, and Brees all throw good but not great deep balls. What they do best is know the game, and I think Cassel has the upside to be a very intelligent QB.

I agree 2nd was to much, lot of value in 2nd hopeful we can find a trade partner for 3rd overall and get more picks.

THIS!!

If we drafted Monroe...wouldn't the smarter move be moving Albert to LG, and Waters to C or RG? Is Albert even built to be a RT? Just curious...

Because of the fact that Cassel has in the NFL for 4 years. Learning an NFL offense, practicing, through training camps, been with a team through the NFL playoffs, worked directly under the greatest QB of all time.

For all we know, Stafford could be Joey Harrington. He might be Tom Brady, but we don't know how he will handle himself in the NFL

With Cassel you get a guy who as already played a year, been primed for the NFL, has plenty of experience in the league and in an NFL offense, who got better as the year went on last year, won 6 out of his last 8 games.

Sure the knocks are going to be there that he played on a great team, but he's got at least as much upside as a guy who's never played a down and is coming out of college early.

Well, if it is for a 3rd then I'd be pretty pissed as a Pats fan...it's like the Patriots didn't even try to shop Cassel or leverage him off of anyone...they just sort of gift wrapped him for Pioli

This is hilarious! All the threads about ****ing Sanchez over the past few months for nothing.

Goddammit. How many times does this have to be explained? You don't move guys who can play LT at a pro bowl level to left ****ing guard.

Jesus Christ.

Is that a joke? what's the point

lulz

Does anyone have a link to nfl network online? I am stuck in the hospital

First in with
Matt Casserole

Have you watched a single second of any Georgia game, ever?

What did he cost us?

Eh, we'll probably do that.

I would welcome a trade down now. They could drop back 5 spots and get that 2nd rounder back. I know, I know..they have to find a partner to trade with.

You all can thank Bernard Pollard for this.

for all those who want to point out the great system Cassell plays in or all the WRs he had...don't forget the non-existant running game he had to play with

**** it, I'm going to rally behind the kid. He has chance to be our franchise QB for the next 10 yrs and and at the end of the day that was all I was looking for.

If this is who Pioli and Haley really believe in, I'm glad they went out and got him and if it's 2nd I really can't bitch about the cost.

hahah **** you Draftubators! We got a good QB.

As usual, we don't know for sure.

Yeah, it's unlikely but I'm really hoping something happens there. I would have rather swapped firsts, then give up the second. :(

Awesome..on two levels...gives us a QB, and expose the board "braintrust" for what it is..outsiders who think they know more than those in charge.

while I appreciate the passion and emotional investment, it just goes to show
that while we think we know what's best, it's just a wish list based on personal opinion...

it's going to be funny watching everyone waste time and energy on something they have no control over...all the negative people now have their syllabus for the entire offseason.

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For as much as I despise Tom Brady...I have no problems with having a smart kid QB our team that learned how to be a QB/professional from Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.

Any scenario that has Brendan Albert moving to guard is a ****ing horrible idea.

I agree. I like the move as long as it was for a 2nd round pick.

ROFL holy ****ing shit

Agreed.

I was asking. Relax...if we drafted Monroe...we can't play 2 LT's...that was a simple ****ing question...obviously if we're taking Monroe at #3 we're taking him to play LT...so that means Albert would need a new position...what position would that be?

****ing relax...go start a Pioli bashing thread...calm down. You and OTWP are two very unreasonable people...it's ridiculous.

Yeah they all suck hamas. And stafford is john elway.
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The Pats had a pretty good run game. They were top 10 in the league in rushing. They just used a committee so it wasn't as apparent.

It's like beating your head against a wall.

The only thing you get from trying to tell these people the same thing over and over....and over agin is a ****ing headache.

Any trade that Mecca or Hamas thinks is bad is actually good. Those 2 cockblowers don't know what their talking about if they did they wouldn't be on Chiefsplanet. Its hilarious watching these ****wits try to act like they know more then a guy thats won everywhere he's been. Morons.

He took more than 3 sacks in 10 games. It wasn't an early season problem.

You mean the team that finished 6th in the NFL in rushing?

Carl would have waited another 5 years before he traded for Cassel, so at least there's that.