Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter (Post 5644742)

As long as we get a 3rd Rounder or better in return.

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5644766)

but there's no certainty that we ARE cutting him. We just saved alot of money, we can shop him and if we don't like the options available, pioli and hailey go to LJ and say, here's your chance, play for a trade next year.

Originally Posted by frazod (Post 5644976)

We should try to get our opponents to dress like women. It might improve his blocking.

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5644747)

Works for me. Maybe that will be part of the trade down from #3. :D

Chiefs get:

#21, #28, #53, #145, #149

Eagles get:

#3 and Larry Johnson :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5644752)

Bullshit.

LJ isn't an elite talent anymore, and what he brings could be filled through the draft.

Originally Posted by LaChapelle (Post 5645015)

Releasing him would do LJ a favor. Why on God's green earth would they do him a favor?

Originally Posted by badmajama (Post 5645092)

wwaahhhh LJ's gonna cost us money out of the $57 million we have in cap space! what are we gonna do!!! oooohhhhnoooooozzzzz aaahhhhhhh!!!

Originally Posted by jidar (Post 5644761)

We should trade him for 10 maple baseball bats

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 5645283)

I can't believe the number of people that think LJ has virtually no trade value. I'de guess these are the same people that said Tynes, Sims, Hall, and Green have no value a few years ago as well. If the franchise doesn't get a 3rd AT LEAST I'de be suprised.

Originally Posted by Wa-Z (Post 5645290)

Funny..my buddy waited on him last night...LJ left $10 on $85..

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5645292)

Explain to me what team is going to trade for an aging attitude problem running back when they can just draft one who's younger and cheaper without the attitude..

RB is a dime a dozen position.

Originally Posted by Wa-Z (Post 5645290)

Funny..my buddy waited on him last night...LJ left $10 on $85..

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 5645283)

I can't believe the number of people that think LJ has virtually no trade value. I'de guess these are the same people that said Tynes, Sims, Hall, and Green have no value a few years ago as well. If the franchise doesn't get a 3rd AT LEAST I'de be suprised.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5645292)

Explain to me what team is going to trade for an aging attitude problem running back when they can just draft one who's younger and cheaper without the attitude..

RB is a dime a dozen position.

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 5645298)

Tell that to Chief fans prior to Priest Holmes. Dime a dozen my ass....

Originally Posted by Wa-Z (Post 5645290)

Funny..my buddy waited on him last night...LJ left $10 on $85..

Originally Posted by orange (Post 5645296)

A bad tipper, too. Cut his ass.

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5645299)

I've spent alot of time in that industry, LJ would be readily ignored from then on, if I had waited on him. I'd go spend my time on the regulars that always give a good healthy 20-25%

must be because he lost the grievance???

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5645339)

Meh.

You'd think he drop a $100 regardless, but maybe the service was shit?

Originally Posted by orange (Post 5645392)

He needed five $1's back to tip the dancer.

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5645333)

Ok that's not good by any means but it's not the worst tip in the world...

Technically, you don't tip on tax so that really works out to around 15%...

and maybe the service wasn't great?

Lots of factors could be in play...but that's not a tip I'd bitch about.

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 5645283)

I can't believe the number of people that think LJ has virtually no trade value. I'de guess these are the same people that said Tynes, Sims, Hall, and Green have no value a few years ago as well. If the franchise doesn't get a 3rd AT LEAST I'de be suprised.

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5645350)

Man, this is total bullshit.

I work in that industry and that's not even that bad...if you're expecting 25% tips from anyone and ignore people who tip less, you're an idiot.

Of course I give the same service to the people who don't tip at all...a lot of people who don't tip properly just don't know, they aren't doing it to be dicks...as long as the people are nice people, I don't give a shit...a lot of people need that $10 a whole lot more than me...

and $10 on $85 (and I assume the $85 is after tax) is pretty standard...because technically the 15% is on the subtotal...

A lot of people double the tax and that's how they leave their tip...

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5644562)

awesome

take that quitter's money

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5645315)

I'll tell them it everytime if you can't find a RB your organization is completely ****ing inept.

And things have changed over say the past 10 years, finding a RB is easy now.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5645292)

Explain to me what team is going to trade for an aging attitude problem running back when they can just draft one who's younger and cheaper without the attitude..

RB is a dime a dozen position.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5645503)

Finding a serviceable Runningback is fairly easy to do in today's NFL.
Finding an elite back isn't quite as easy.
There are maybe only 10 of them league-wide.

I believe Johnson can still be an elite back in the right situation.
And hopefully that's what we're building this off-season.

Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 5645298)

Tell that to Chief fans prior to Priest Holmes. Dime a dozen my ass....

Originally Posted by wild1 (Post 5645510)

he's as good as gone. they were silent and waiting for all this to play out.

if you think LJ had a bad attitude, was disliked by teammates, and was a locker room cancer before, I'll bet it doesn't improve now that the team has won back all this guaranteed money.

Gretz's conclusion is wrong though. The team doesn't necessarily want to release him by sundown if that is the plan.

The Chiefs should, and i think they will, attempt to dangle him for whatever some sucker might give. maybe we can get a 4th or 5th round pick.

In any case, it's extremely doubtful he will play a down for this team again, which is a step in the right direction.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5645516)

I think he's still great, but his shittiness at the pass really hurts his value. Guys like Stephen Jackson and LT are so much better because of their added value as a receiver (obviously when they're not injured).

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5645536)

I will say this as well. Tony better STFU and stop his self-absorbed BS or he will also find himself on the cutting block.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5645537)

I think far too much is made of his ineffectiveness as a pass-catcher.
I don't buy it.

He has a career yard per catch average of well over 9.

He hasn't been asked to do that as much as Holmes was.
When he has been called on he's been effective there.

Certainly he doesn't block for shit though.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5645540)

That's the thing, mic.

When he DOES catch the ball, he's effective.

But I'd love to see the number of drops he's had.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5645539)

Yeah, we'll teach those self-serving bastards by robbing an already volatile offense of more weapons.
:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by badmajama (Post 5645553)

I think all you guys are missing something. This is just a football game with players. Its our fault these guys get paid the amount they do. We buy the seats, the games on tv, the merchandise online/at games/in stores. Money is louder than words so if you really don't want to see these players get the money you think they don't deserve then quit watching/supporting the game itself.

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5645554)

It is not about the money. I just do not want these jackasses on my football team.

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5645548)

When you want to change the culture of a team, you must either get rid of or change the dynamics of the team leadership.

Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5645536)

I will say this as well. Tony better STFU and stop his self-absorbed BS or he will also find himself on the cutting block.

Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5645569)

Edwards did massage players a bit more than, say, Vermeil...
But that's just who he is as a coach.

Originally Posted by EyePod (Post 5645500)

I don't understand this. He is not a quitter. He ran amazingly for us last year after he was suspended. He showed up to VOLUNTARY workouts. Must be a quitter. What a bunch of ****ing bullshit.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5645655)

he's a selfish quitter

he won't block

he pouts

he was in trouble several times for being late, which shows disrespect to the coach and your teammates...

he has never - EVER - given a shit about the team...he is absolutely part of the problem with the culture of this franchise...can't wait till he is gone

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5645490)

whatever back at you, when it's a full bar, busy as shit 11pm on a friday night, and the little bitches that always order the carrot cake tini and give you exact change in quarters, nickels and dimes; do not get the same attention as the 28 year old drinking chivas on the rocks and tips 1-2 dollars everytime he orders.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5645655)

he's a selfish quitter

he won't block

he pouts

he was in trouble several times for being late, which shows disrespect to the coach and your teammates...

he has never - EVER - given a shit about the team...he is absolutely part of the problem with the culture of this franchise...can't wait till he is gone

Originally Posted by tonyetony (Post 5645577)

If the Chiefs plan on trading Tony G then I hope they package LJ with him to someone that has a lot of draft picks that need a RB and a tight end. Philly might be willing to deal before the draft but most teams are going to stand pat until after the draft at this point.

Originally Posted by Wa-Z (Post 5645457)

Considering he's a multi-millionaire that's a terrible tip...and taxes were probably around $6 making the net total around $79 and 15% of that would be around $12..service is not in question...Sullivans Steak House

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey (Post 5645490)

whatever back at you, when it's a full bar, busy as shit 11pm on a friday night, and the little bitches that always order the carrot cake tini and give you exact change in quarters, nickels and dimes; do not get the same attention as the 28 year old drinking chivas on the rocks and tips 1-2 dollars everytime he orders.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5645655)

he's a selfish quitter

he won't block

he pouts

he was in trouble several times for being late, which shows disrespect to the coach and your teammates...

he has never - EVER - given a shit about the team...he is absolutely part of the problem with the culture of this franchise...can't wait till he is gone

Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 5647519)

And from what I understand, the money to LJ is only saved by the Chiefs if he is cut or traded.

Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5647521)

So by this logic I should be tipping like 5% because I don't have jack shit for money...but I tip 20-30% every time because I'm a good tipper...some people tip well, some people don't...$10 on $79...lets just say it could be a whole lot worse...and that's really not anything to scoff at.