Sure that's the 1 exception, lets be frank the blueprint of that tree has more to do with getting a QB they are comfortable with than anything else.

We just watched one of them run his teams young franchise player out of town over it.

If we are talking about giving him an extension now then yes, but down the road things change...

By the way for the few who came in first like this was a totally over discussed topic....we're at 78 posts in like 15 minutes.

Well, the teams that don't draft an LT and move their better LT to Guard won't be the same as teams that do. The teams that don't will be unequivocally better.

He's played LT and will want to keep playing LT. He's not being a little bitch if he knows he can play a more important position and he wants to get paid like he can.

I know your a Sanchez advocate, and I do think he will be a good QB in the league as well. I don't however think he is going to be a franchise QB like you do....So I would rather go with Cassel, and free up the third pick for another player. If KC somehow can get a king's ransom for Cassel, and secure Sanchez...I have no issues with that other than Sanchez's learning curve. Otherwise...

Cassel or Sanchez....Cassel all day, everyday.

no i really think that as a business man he would want to be paid to the level of his service and after PROVING that he is probably going to be a VERY GOOD TO ELITE LT he will want lt money

Isn't one of the arguments for Cassel that he's played in the NFL is 27 and isn't a rookie and all of that?

If I'm going to be given the young QB excuse then whey are we developing a 27 year old one instead of a 22 year old one?

Because its the best player on the board... there isn't much value this year and who knows if we are able to trade down... Oline is a weakness for this team also..

Well, there's a reason that its overdiscussed. There's always a bunch of people that are terrible with respect to football knowledge, and others that have a compulsory need to point out the sheer stupidity in others. Its the perfect storm of argument known as ChiefsPlanet.

that probably had as much to do with the franchise player as wanting something "comfortable"

ROFL they were saying that because this is the same debate that's been going on for months. If you start a thread with this as the topic your going to get a 100 post thread at least no matter what.

I'll say it again the only way this team should be taking Oline is if they trade down significantly.

ROFL

I like Curry fine. Seems like a good pick. I don't like getting another LT early in the draft. I'm with milkman on that. Don't think there's any possibility of us taking Sanchez and I was for Cassel. In retrospect after all of the most recent coverage, I think we missed it.

So how do you know Monroe is better than Albert? They didn't believe that in college and teams last year didn't seem to believe Albert was this god you are claiming otherwise he would have been drafted #1 overall, not #15...

I'd rather pay 2 QB's for this year then trade one next year or flip one for picks in this draft than take Curry in the top 3.

All this would do is guarantee that Branden Albert would ask you for a LT contract thus meaning you'd have 150 million dollars in OT or he'd walk to a team that would pay him like one.

As a long term idea it's a failure.

thank you for making my point:D

good point. but I think for the money, I would wait until later in the draft and go to work on guards and RT....

I'm slightly confused, you say Monroe and Smith are a lot better than Long last year... Long along with a few other LT's were better prospects than Albert, but Albert is better than Monroe and Smith? Interesting.

Why? What is your reasoning here?

You don't set yourself up to lose a guy after 1 contract, it's a long term failure read my other post.

Derek Anderson?

good way of putting it

they are different people, i would throw out the player that came out with 16 starts at qb that busted but cant think of one that was even drafted high:D

Albert was said to be the best OG since Steve Hutchinson, but you don't want to pay the man? Hes not going to get paid like he would if he hits the open market... players give their teams discounts and Albert will do so if he wants to be a Chief no matter what the position. Albert comes of as a team player, and not a selfish player to me. I don't think hes going to have a bitch fit if the team upgrades the Oline position.

A big reason is you don't have a franchise guy that needs to play from the gun to look good. He reminds me of a more accurate Tyler Thigpen.

If you more than anything think the Chiefs need an OT, make the argument to trade down into the teens and draft Michael Oher while picking up a bunch of picks. That makes more sense he doesn't get paid a ton and you get alot of other picks.

Well if Albert is a selfish player like you make him out to be, I doubt Pioli keeps him around anyways.

1.) Albert was moved to guard at UVA because Monroe's skillset was suited for LT only. Albert was the more versatile of the two, so it was Albert that was moved. UVA needed both of those talents on the field at the same time, and Monroe could only be used profitably at LT.

2.) Oh, c'mon. You're not actually serious with that second point are you?

then the bookends(or lt lg) are paid similar. both are affordable

He played a season at OT if you think he won't play every card he can to get the biggest contract he can, you're crazy. Every team in the league had him on their board as an OT that means he's views as an OT and will expect to be paid like one...

You set yourself up for failure because guess what, he'll go to a team that will pay him as a LT.

It's like this Albert has better feet than both, and has more potential at this stage of his young career.

Why it would be the same thing, he knows he can play LT and would want paid like one. You thought he was a better prospect that Long last year, making him a better prospect than Albert, but you don't want him playing LT? Or are you advocating moving Albert going against everything you've been saying? Either way thats setting the team up for long term failure. :rolleyes:

He knows he can play the most important position on the line. I believe he will want to keep playing that position. He worked hard to do what he did last year, why change what works?

Selfish player?

You don't think he's gonna try to get the most money he can when his contract is up? That doesn't make him selfish it makes him a person with a ****ing brain.

And yes I'm sure Pioli hates the best offensive lineman on the team, just scrap him.

WHOA no one has said selfish(except you) players(and their agents) look out for their selves usually the player that gives the "discount" is a plyer that is on his 3rd contract for a GOOD/GREAT team

i haven't read the thread yet, but i'll take a wild guess that the subject and comments are fresh and original?

You are literally being reeruned tonight...

And after moving Albert, when he does walk for more money, you can always replace a RT or guard with a mid round pick.

lots of great first time points in here.:D

:)

Maybe he thought that Albert is a better prospect than Long? I know I did/do.

Actually they are. Go back and read from page one and give us a short book report at the end.

Well its a good thing we have the franchise tag so he can't just walk. Also the tag would pay him like a top OG, not LT.

I don't like Jake Long as a high pick, I wouldn't take a guy who struggles in pass protection that high...

Albert has the potential to be better than any LT taken in this draft, and the last draft as well.

I'm not taking another LT to replace a guy that has Willie Roaf potential.

It doesn't really matter because he thought Oher was the best last year...

good idea unless he appeals to be paid like a LT didnt suggs do this after the season

No offense or anything but if you take another OT high this year, whichever one moves should be playing RT not OG first....OT's are more valuable than any interior line position.

If you want an OT this is the argument I want, trade down once or twice get several extra picks take Oher play him at RT, that's the argument I expect. That way Albert and him combined don't make as much as Monroe does and you can realistically re-sign both of them.

Michael Oher does have top flight potential, his ceiling may be the highest of any OT in the draft this year and last he's just not nearly as sure of a bet.

i could agree with this, was against oher(brains) but looked around and found out ryan clady can only say "duuuuhhhhh" and "deeeeerrrr"

He didn't always play from the shotgun.

He also has the potential to be the best OG ever, he also wasn't drafted too high to be labeled as a bust if he goes back to his original position. Monroe also has that same if not more LT potential...

I'm not saying LT should be the pick... but I would rather not reach and sometimes you have to take what your dealt...

I think that we are going to pick up solid O-linemen to fill other positions later in the draft.

Even Andre Smith who may slide some, if you want an OT your argument should be for dropping down and taking them not taking an OT at 3.

Knowing the strengths and weaknesses of this draft if the Chiefs somehow were able to get into the 12-17 range while picking up several extra picks and ended up getting an OT and a Center out of this I wouldn't complain that much this is probably the year to get some starting lineman it's one of the few real strengths of the draft.

I personally would rather have the Pro Bowl LT moving our current one making him a Pro Bowl OG or RT instead of reaching on a consistent complementary ILB...

Are you ****ing high?

Are you actually saying you would rather have a Steve Hutchinson than a great Willie Roaf?

Have you ingested drugs that kill all your ****ing brain cells?

No...we want both Roaf and Hutchinson

Rust isn't even thinking about it properly, they'd play LT and RT no one in this scenario plays ****ing guard.

The hype machine claims another.

No I'm saying I would rather have a Roaf and Hutchinson than a Roaf and solid LB.

Wow. That's not good reasoning.

Good to hear you crazyhorse finally.

Seattle did this, what did they win?

two things about chiefs fans that are driving me crazy right now:

1. they want to trade down for a fraction of the value of our pick

2. they want to move our first round draft pick stud rookie LT to guard...just because...

two years in a row this shit franchsie won't spend a high pick on a QB but we're ok spending back to back firsts on the same position on the OL?

that's how championship teams are built? McFly?

and we wonder why it's been 25,000 years since our last superbowl?

Better hype than mediocre, right? I'm just afraid that Cassel is mediocre

So to answer my question that you ignored, you take Curry over Monroe? Thank You.

What "system"?

Aren't all offenses systems. I say instead of taking a risk on a QB with no experience that has a less than 40% chance of succeeding in the NFL, we just run, "the system".

Wouldn't that be easier?

Is Sanchez a product of a system? Or is he instant offense?

I'm not taking either one of them...that's like a Chiefnj question where he asks you what you would do while telling you "other than" 5 plausible scenarios.

The system named Randy Moss.

So maybe regardless of what we do, it's the system that will make or break us. See, if you would have chimed in earlier, you would have saved me having to read 150 other comments.

I just figure those are the real two options unless Pioli wants to reach... actually I take that back.. I still have a feeling Crabtree is on the radar.

No

If you don't think BJ Raji is a legit option you haven't paid much attention to how that Pat team drafted.

Maybe I should say, "better take a risk than guarantee mediocre" It's not necessarily hype, right? I think I trumped you on the whole opinion of Cutler and what he could do back when he was coming out of college. Conceed?

I'm just throwing this out there, because I have a feeling people think I'm on the LT bandwagon now... Brown and Raji are probably my top two guys I want...

"Would you rather have your arm cut off? Or melted off?"

Neither option is good.

So let's just go with the Keg plan of drafting LTs in the first round every year.

I bet Albert could learn to play center.