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Just nitpicking here... but we will never know for sure whether or not the Jets would have traded up even further to get ahead of us for Sanchez had we not acquired Cassel.
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Personally I'm a much bigger fan of the Colts/Chargers/Giants approach but hey you get what you get. |
I watched the replay on NFLN. Maybe it was live. **** I don't know. Sanchez looked better than I anticipated.
I guess before I go further, I should throw my disclaimer. I was in the Sanchez camp, but recognized his red flags. We got Cassel, whom also has red flags. We got a pretty smokin ass deal for him. Cassel is my man, I hope he rips it up. My interest in Sanchez, now is merely as a fan of football. Hell, I don't even buy into the "link" between teams or whatever. Sanchez could own in NY, but if he would have come here and got planted every week by whomever Sackintosh decided not to block and may well have busted wildly. I don't much care about Sanchez anymore outside of just an interest in football. That being said, why the **** did the first two guys only throw 4 passes? IIRC Clements was 4/4 20-something yards, Sanchez was 3/4 80-something yards. That doesn't tell you a lot. Them being on the field and running plays inherently gives you ideas, but come on, 4 passes each? Are they really that interested in Ainge? :spock: That 50 yard pass was good all around. It was a good playcall from Shottenhiemer. It's easy to brush off if it is incomplete or whatever, there probably wasn't going to be an INT from misreading the D, because nobody in the building thought he was going deep. And I'm sure that sent his confidence through the roof. Damn good work there. |
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Could be grass-is-greener-syndrome, but they don't look as bad as some of the shit we've run out there. |
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Face it. The Chiefs HAD to change the culture in this mother****ing cess pool Squirmin Herman created. Young guys aren't going to do it, or at least have a lower probability of doing it. I think they may have went a little overboard with a few of the signings (my thought is Toomer and Engram, I'm not too high on either), but someone had to come in and show these guys what a winning organization does. Because NOBODY in that ****ing locker room knew how. Not a single ****ing body. |
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Look, we're in full football mode now and I want my team to do well and to win. There's no use in crying, bitching, or pissing over something that has come and gone, and that we have no control over. That article from about a week ago made it pretty clear that Haley wasn't comfortable with the idea of going in to his first time as a head coach with a "true rookie" at the helm, so Matt Cassel was gonna' be the guy and that's all there is/was to it. I can live with it because we're going to play a different kind of football than Rex Ryan. We're going to, with time, build a consistent, balanced roster that can compete and win because the whole will be greater than the sum of its parts. That's where we're headed, and I'm cool with it. And don't forget; the Jets we're playing against STL for ****'s sake. |
So I tuned in to watch what the fuss was about and I expected to see Sanchez destroying the 2000 Ravens defense.
It was 1 drive and he threw 1 good fade route. WOO HOO OMG WE ARE THE SUXOR FOR NOT DRAFTING SANCHEZ! If the guy comes out next week and throws 3 interceptions will the same people that have Sanchez chin nuts put much stock into that too? It's preseason. I guarantee you that if Sanchez starts for the entire season the Jets won't even break .500. Bookmark my post. |
Houston aint there either.
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Cassel will be lucky to have the protection and options that Sanchez has early. |
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I still lose sleep think about our line and what that means to Cassel. The way it stands now, I think he has a good chance of getting killed before week 4 or 5 and we will have to watch captain Thigpen for the majority of the season. I hope we are able to pick up a decent cut or two before the regular season, or that there actually has been some kind of improvement in the line. |
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To clarify, I think the left side should be fine. Let's hope Goff can slow the leak and elevate Sackintosh's level of play. The only thing that may HELP is since Gonzo isn't going out for a pass every down, whomever wins the TE spot (Hopefully Cottam, I think he has the most potential) may stay in and block. MAYBE Goff and Cottam can overcome the Sackintosh sucktitude. But I've said it before, optimally Richardson becomes the BAMF he can be. |
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I'd still rather have the option that's, what, 4 years younger. :D Regarding the backup, I hope it is Brodie, just for grins. I'd like to see if that dude could make it through a single NFL game. |
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As long as he has his 'huntin' DVD's", all is indeed good. |
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Good lord. One preseason drive and one good pass and all the Sanchez lovers have him going to the hall of fame. Sorry but this thread is ridiculous. If I remember correctly Leaf had decent preseason debut as well. The verdict on Cassel vs. Sanchez is not only out it's way way out.
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the Dolphins bringing in Pennington, a vet QB whose upside is maxed out but won't cost you many games, is a parcellsian move to 8-8.... nothing about trading Gonzo, switching to a 3-4 in spite of having almost no one on your roster to run it (a system which is not a fit for your top 5 draft pick DL of just last year), and trading for a QB who has started 15 games in 4 years and for a dynasty (every bit as risky as drafting a QBOTF), says "omg we want to be 8-8"..... they being in vets for 2 obvious reasons: 1.the players we have suck, and they have to get rid of them and need filler for a year 2. they want a particular work ethic and adherence to the system in the locker room, weight room, and practice field these guys are performing radical surgery, way more than your typical Parcells stereotype... i honestly don't even know what you mean by the Colts/Chargers/Giants way other then gee these teams have been good for 5-10 years.... |
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...somehow if Sanchez does well, it reflects poorly on the Chiefs.
got it. Bet it keeps Clark up at night. |
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It's not Sanchez alone, but if Cassel flops and the n00b excels, I guarantee Pioli will be losing plenty of sleep, and it will be the first big chink in the armor, not to mention a big, legit. strike against him. GMs simply can't miss on the most important position on the field, especially considering the dollars that are in play. And if Cassel ends up being a $60M sack of shit, Hunt might not lose sleep, but he sure as heck won't be too happy. |
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And TF has given us some good posts in his sgort visit here and hopefully he sticks around even afte this game. So speak for yourself, dumbass. |
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Now I can sleep at night. |
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Stick around fury. We could use some good more legitimate posters around here.
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Easy..... Cassel was at USC behind two great QB's.... Sanchez came along when the QB talent at USC was not as good.
Cassel has had one year of success in the NFL. Sanchez has had one year of success in college. Both were on teams that were largely superior in talent. Both could be great.... both could be busts. Sanchez was a first round pick with one year of success at the college level. Cassel was a second round pick with one year of success at the NFL level. Sanchez would have taken the Chiefs top ten pick and they could have gotten a guy like Ron Brace in the second round. Cassel allowed the Chiefs to get a franchise QB (they think) and the best 3-4 End in the draft. Oh, and Pioli had known one and worked with one for several years and knew him better than any GM could EVER know any draft pick. Now, how it will turn out is anybody's guess. But, for anyone to act like it wasn't an informed well thought decision is silly. Yes... I know... the chiefs 'devalued' their pick, and paid a 3-4 end to much money. Perhaps. Who cares. If Tyson Jackson goes on to be a Richard Seymour guy... will anyone complain that he was drafted 'too high'? Cassel and Sanchez are forever linked. I get it. But, based on the information at hand at the time of the decision, I think the Chiefs made the prudent choice. Not the 'sexy' choice. Maybe not even the 'best' choice in the long run. But, with a franchise that is going down the drain quickly.... we need less 'potential' and more production. |
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I hated it when we brought him in, and was pissed that we threw away a draft pick for a guy I thought sucked ass, who was about to be fired anyway. |
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The franchise isn't going down the drain; it's already been flushed. The roster is largely devoid of top talent, and people forget just how hard it is to go 2-14. That's impressive suck. So now's the time to take risks for big returns. In all facets of the game, we need to try to take the players with the most potential to enable long-term success at the highest levels. And this is why people were somewhat aggravated with the influx of players like Toomer, Engram, Vrabel, etc. Where's the potential? Yes, the immediate production might be better than alternative B, but to what and where are we building? |
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The potential is the 10+ players the Chiefs drafted last year plus Piolis draft picks. The difference between Carl and Pioli is Pioli will sign free agents that actually contribute and draft players that actually will contribute. |
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But these players will always be connected in the same way that the '83 was/is discussed. Let's hope we don't end up on the short end of this one, too. |
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And the move to the 3-4 has the potential to kill the Dorsey pick... |
If KC didn't take Cassel, there would have been movement up to the #2 spot for Sanchez. It isn't a foregone conclusion that he'd be at 3 for KC.
Sanchez looked good. He made some nice throws, but didn't face much pressure. |
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But someone would have had to forfeit their draft to move that much. The team in the best position to make that move was...KC. |
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It is extremely unlikely that anyone would have moved ahead of the Chiefs. |
The song that doesn't end.
Circumstances are completely different. No way of telling who would do what where. We could guess and turn it into a pissing match, but it is what it is. |
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but people need these kind of not-true-but-sounds-good lines to have something to argue about.... |
and the chargers haven't won shit, the Colts have underachieved with one of the greatest QBs ever, and the Giants have one title....won against the Pats
i'll take the "Pats way" and their dynasty any day...as would any sane person... only on chiefsplanet could people complain about the "pat's way" compared to the "charger's way" |
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The Chargers have built through the draft, but when they started the process, they signed guys like Steve Foley, Donnie Edwards, Roman Oben, and others to kick start the rebuild when John Butler started out. As the years have passed, they've replenished the talent pool through the draft. The Steelers and Colts started in much the same way, but they've been in the upper echelon for so long that no one remembers how they started. |
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the pats DRAFTED Brady and Seymour and many others....and the larger point is this: the Pats have 3 titles, the Chargers have 0.... Pats 3, the giants 1 Pats 3, the colts 1 Pats in 4 superbowls...Colts, Giants, Chargers combined in only 2....again, I'll gladly "settle" for the "Pat's way".... |
and if the Colts had brought in better FA's on defense they might have more titles
it is great to say, "gee everyone on our team is a draft pick!" but when the reality is that your defense sucks balls for years and wastes the best seasons of your one-in-a-life-time QB, I'm not sure you should really be so proud of that.... |
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As stated earlier, I'm not sold on Eli, the Chargers have stepped up to the plate with Norvel, and the worst playoff coach ever, Marty, the Colts have been led by one of the most overrated coaches of all time in Tony Dungy, and fileded a mediocre defense through most of the decade. Meanwhile, the Pats have been led by a ruthless coach, a great QB who has been clutch more often than not, and a stallwart defense for much of the decade. |
The Pats' way? The Colts' way? The Chargers' way?
I have no idea wtf any of these things mean. Are we really debating the need both to draft well and use FA appropriately? Brilliant. It would take a Herm Edwards to argue otherwise. |
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Even when they won a SB, Manning's performance was rather mediocre, overall. |
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Dorsey was a bust anyway get over it. |
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This thread shows the great logic of Chiefs fans. Pioli wasn't good at drafting, and a 5th overall pick who hasn't done shit is a good draft pick,The Chiefs shouldn't switch to a 3-4 because of one player despite the GM is best suited at finding talent for said 3-4 defense. Nice logic there.
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http://i30.tinypic.com/11jwsoz.jpg 2006 was especially bad. 2007 was pretty poor as well. 2003 and 2005 were solid. |
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First, DN didn't say that Pioli sucked at drafting, he simply stated that his draft record isn't impeccable. That means that even he missed on draft picks. Not every pick was a hit. Is that too complicated for you to grasp? Second, you can't decalre a rookie DT a bust. And based on camp reports, we aren't going to be running a pue 34, but rather a the hybrid 43 Under with Dorsey linein up at the "Under" which means his skillset is likely to be maximized in thsi defense because he'll be shooting the B gap. |
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I'm actually never going to compare Sanchez to Cassel, because even though KC needed a QB during the draft, Pioli had his man in mind the second he came to KC, so Sanchez, in all reality was never really an option ...
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You asked milkman to prove Pioli was bad at drafting. What I posted makes the argument that his draft record is very average, as DN implied. |
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Big ****ing deal. The Cassel/Sanchez debate is one that have been interested in since the end of the season last year. It is unfortunate that the biggest dumbass this side of Homo2724 started the thread. |
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But the fact remains, you don't anyone a bust after their rookie year when they started all 16 games and play the msot difficult position on defense. And as I far as I know, he's starting tonight. You're a dumbass. Nothing further need be said. |
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