Um dude if you don't think Whitner is better than Pollard you are high...Whitner is one of the best safeties in the league.

And anymore it's not worth it to do FS and SS because guys interchange, Whitner plays both.

He had a torn ACL. He underwent surgery for it today.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...or-the-season/

Is there a complete list of cuts out anywhere?

Ah that wasn't the original report, guess they were holding out.

i didn't think Thomas will make it anyway. Belcher makes it for special teams alone. Haley said he would keep 1 or 2 spots for coverage guys not just the K/P/LS.

A lot of those guys you named are Free Safeties. Im lookin for Strong Safeties, which is what Pollard is.

Pollard is a poor mans Greg Wesley with far less ballhawking skills.

I dont see how Whitner is one of the best safeties. Hes not shown much since hes been drafted. Hes got talent, I dont see it put on the field yet though.

Because he doesn't have giant pick numbers?

Whitner is an outstanding player.

wasted pick

Hes one of the best though? You put him with Polamalu, Sanders, Reed, Rhodes, Wilson?

I dont even think I would put him next to Meriweather yet.

He's better than Merriweather is...I mean it's obvious most people don't watch Bills games.

As good as Troy? No, he's better in coverage than Adrian but they are not the same kind of player, Adrian blitzes and plays at the line, Whitner is smaller with better cover ability and speed. Whitner could actually play CB if needed.

I think he's better than Rhodes too but no he's not better than Reed or Polamalu no one is. Reed is also playing FS now so you don't count him either eh?

And Bob Sanders can't stay on the field...

Plenty of Buffalo Fans seem to have a somewhat different take,. Here are a few threads about Mr. Whitner:

http://boards.buffalobills.com/searc...archid=3713842

Wow...that fan base is dumb.

Well they can trade him to us then.

FYP

Rhodes is also a FS I believe.

I thought it was an accepted fact that Donte Whitner is pretty damn good, guess not.

Well, hey, im not saying I would hate to have him on the team. Hes a great young talent. Hes still got room to grow like Pollard, but I think its a stretch to say hes one of the best, which is a small collective group. Would I trade Pollard for Whitner? Yes. I think he has more potential than Pollard. But I cant say he has already proven to be better. And that is the arguement right now.

Well how good is good? Top half of the league at his position? Sure. Worth the #8 overall pick? Nope.

He's better by a pretty significant degree....Pollard is a bottom tier safety.

If you go back and look at that draft...at the time people panned that pick and called it a reach, today it looks like a good pick compared to the rest of the round.

You should follow a less complicated sport... like fishing...

But if I take a safety #8 overall, I want Troy Polamalu production, or Darren Sharper atleast. Whitner is not a top 10 safety yet. I would expect more from a 3 year player.

I like this take. Brown is one down away from 'Zach Thomas'-land. We need players, not bike riders.

Whitner is a really good player..he's not going to make pro bowls because of the safety grouping in the AFC and he's in Buffalo.

He may show more "stats" this year since they moved him over to FS to let him show his natural gifts a little more.

LMAO Did Zach join the team so he could prepare to race in the Tour de France?

I agree with these statements. Maybe by the end of the year he ends up becoming a playmaker.

POLLARD GOT GIF'D UP!

PIOLI SAW THAT SHIT AND SAID

DAMN!

C.E. WENDLER GIF'D THIS FOOL UP!

GET ME ON THE HORN WITH SOMEONE WHO'LL GIVE A 7TH FOR THIS BUM!

Don't laugh; I learned from Nick Athan a few minutes ago that Thomas just landed a sweet endorsement deal with Huffy.

You're overrating what Whitner has been to this point in his career.

For the record, the 4 picks following Whitner were

Ernie Simms
Leinart
Cutler
Ngata

2/4, Ernie Sims was also overdrafted.

This was prophesied months in advance:

http://i28.tinypic.com/2zejsjk.jpg

Actually just a moment is that when Gregg Williams was still their coach?

If so that explains why Ngata wasn't their pick, he got rid of Pat Williams cause "he was to fat" and didn't like "fat guys".

Isn't that kind of like saying Matt Shaub misses games, Brett Farve does not and our O line needs some help? Pretty likely and generally obvious statements.

Oh hell, let him carry on. He's just setting himself up for the Greatest Massive Has-Been Running Back FAIL in the history of the NFL.

41-yard run

eclipsing Pollard's preseason in one play

suck it!

I actually think LJ will have a decent season. He should be well rested after the last 2 seasons and we should be running the ball a lot.

I don't know NE's safety situation but i wouldn't be suprised on them taking a flyer on BP because of his special teams ability, punt blocking especially.

Just watched some Priest Holmes highlights on Youtube.

god we used to run the ball at ****ing will back then. Take MIN running game now and times that by3 and thats what we used to have.

We gave up a lot of points then.....but you would always know we could at least get back into games with our offense. Now we get down 10 its game over. Then we get down 10 we could tie the game in 5 min.

New England has Meriweather and Sanders starting, drafted Chung in the second round this season, and will probably have McGowan (former Bear) as the 3rd or 4th safety, depending on where he and Chung get slotted.

yep, forgot about chung.

BTW what do you think of the S/LB you guys cut in tank williams?

James Sanders is a pretty bland player, but hey credit for being able to have a good defense that starts him.

and I can't believe how you devalue the position, really man without it the offense is ****ed

I want you to tell me how many high picks each team has spent on it's OL.

The proof is in the pudding for years outside of Albert have been hoping to get a diamond in the rough while real good commodities at OL have gone astray to other teams like Ryan Khalil. If one neglects the OL the resulting product is what KC is fielding now.

Why would we want to take a look at these guys.

Our resident expert tells us it's not really a good idea to persue other team's castoffs.

Here, let give you his exact words.

I will never figure out why people want to use so many 1st round picks on OL.

I can point out all the teams that don't that are fine.

The Bonecrusher must stay!

Tank will hustle all day and all night. Unfortunately, his injuries have really taken a toll on him. Last year, the team was going to use him in a hybrid role, and he was looking good doing it, but he got hurt again. This year, he just didn't have enough to make the team.

cool thanks

I thnk Pollard's high number of tackles is a direct reflection of how bad the overall defense was. Several of those tackles were probably on RBs which got past the D-line and Linebackers. Not really a good stat to have as a safety.

Donovan Raiola
 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1109543

started and played in a grand total of 0 games

Dominic his brother who is a starter didn't get cut by the lions.

Carl has done a shitty job of drafting O-Line propspects in the mid to later rounds.

Teams that actually know what to look for build O-Lines by taking players in the third round and later.

I am all for drafting O line before round five, but IMO there is no need to continually spend first round picks on the O line, especially when we have the LT position taken care of. If you are a team with few holes, then taking a C or RT with a late first round pick makes sense. But, taking players like Britton, Unger and Loadholt in the second round makes a hell of a lot more sense than tying up ~$100 million in two O line positions when Albert's deal is up(had they drafted Monroe this year).

The previous regime failed miserably in the draft. There are countless busts that Carl, Dick, Herm et al drafted, which left the Chiefs with more holes than could possibly have been filled in one draft a FA signing period. Depending on where the Chiefs draft next year I would love to see them grab a pass rusher in the first round or Eric Berry is the slot fits and go O line with one or both second rounders.

Couple of Dolphin LB's to be aware of: Former chief Erik Walden who probably won't get cut played ILB last year after Carl, Herm, and co waived him. But he is at OLB for them now. he would upgrade our 4th OLB spot and help on special teams. Somewhat similar to Jovan Belcher.

also ILB and former chief William Kershaw looks good and making some big hits for them this preseason too.

so does this rumor have any legs?

With 98 tackles.

Considering the shoddy play of Pollard, I can't say I'm all that surprised. If we're relying on Brown, we at least have some sort of backup plan with Morgan if (when?) Brown does go down.

The only bad thing about this news is that it gives GoChiefs more free reign on acting like an asshat.

Perhaps, but he's had a solid career so far with the Lions.

BOTH second rounders. We need that right side fixed. As long as its a revolving door the defenses are going to continually stack that side.

8. The Lions and Browns are looking for some safety help. Expect them to claim one this week.

this was from a article/blog on 8-30

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...Post-9802.html from Mike Lombardi NFP

It makes sense with both page and pollard sitting out to get looks at Brown and McGraw with the starters.

Whether or not anything happens who knows. I just mentioned the browns. The lions traded for S Ko Simpson. Maybe they are shopping him to someone else not mentioned yet.

Otherwise i havn't seen it posted or reported anywhere else.

THIS !!!!!

The quality of a player is not determined by his tackle stats.

Pollard has the talent............i swear that bastard closes his eyes when he goes for the big hit or even to tackle. No other explanation. He doesn't break up enough passes either and misses to much on blitzes.(aside from Brady last year)

To much of a liability to start. I would rather have him be a backup and play special teams to see how he reacts than cut him though.

I'm just at the point i hope they get a mid rd pick or a player that can contribute if a team wants to take him and take a chance on him.

His day of reckoning approaches. Watching LJ run is to observe half-assed and QUIT in one nauseating package. 41 yards? Who gives a ****. He was beaten on the way to the end zone by a team that shares our stellar 2008 record.
Didn't even TRY to bump the defender off of and make a play. It's like watching a plodding elephant with a nitrous tank sticking out of it's ass try to charge it's way to a touchdown.

It's sad really.

Dear god, I'm having a vicious debate with a WPI poster about Pollard leading the team in tackles. :shake:

Herm and Gun thought he was the next John Lynch when they drafted him. He has turned out to be the next Darnell Bing or Larry Atkins.

Mike Maslowski has the team tackle record that's all you need to know about tackle stats.

Not if they're a left tackle.

I guess the thing I really like about Pollard is he lays the wood when he hits and thats part of the reason he DOES wiff every couple of games. I'm sorry i really liked Greg Wesley when he came on too. I think the fear factor Pollard gives the receivers has to account for something.

He knew it was preseason and the offense needed practice in the red zone.

McGraw had a very good game yesterday from what I saw.....

But I'm still not that thrilled about him being a starter (if that's the case at all). There's just been too much suckage from his play that one or a couple games doesn't justify him being a starter.

Now if he continues to improve.....then on down the road maybe he can snag someone's spot as a starter if he continues to play well, but not now.

I don't care how hard a dude hits, if he misses half the time, blows tackles and sucks in coverage he's a liability.

Yeah, pretty sure this is the whole Pioli "right player" spiel on display here. Honestly, if we can get any compensation for Pollard if he was going to be benched anyways, then its a win.

He didn't miss 98 times. Maybe 10. But how many times did the receiver miss a pass because of the inevitable train wreck coming.

1. Carlos Dunlap, DE; UF
2. George Selvie, OLB; USF
2. Zane Beadles, OL; Utah
3. Joe Pawelek, LB; Baylor
4. John Jerry, OL; Ole Miss
5. Bryan Anderson, WR; CMU
6. Chris Hall, OL; Texas
7. Ike Ndukwe & Andy Alleman

If we can pick up another late 2nd round/early 3rd round pick, I want Dennis Pitta from BYU as well.

I just don't know why we don't switch over to a 46 to take advantage of Pollards skills. We are completely missing the boat on this IMHO.

Carlos Dunlap would be a waste in the Chiefs defense.

Bite your tongue. I think he'd be a stellar RDE with Selvie standing next to him.

He does not play that way, his weight says he could do it but it is not his game. He sheds blockers and gets in the backfield with speed and athletic talent.

Asking him to eat blockers would just be a total waste.

Funny that anyone thinks Pollard is striking fear into any receivers....

Likely when they watch film they just laugh at his missed tackles...

"OK so if you see 49, run at him...make a little move...easy yardage"