Oh good, all the Dirty Sanchez butt buddies are getting back together for a circle jerk session. Maybe they can kill the rest of the traffic around here and turn it into WPI

STFU

http://i41.tinypic.com/2gwgp4j.jpg

So a handful of realists, that are accused of hating the Chiefs and hoping they fail are going to turn ChiefsPlanet into a board full of mouth-breathing, football illiterate, Chiefs-can-do-no-wrong-and will-win-the-division posters.

Got it.

That's trading forward in time, not trading down in the draft. Two very different things. In the case that you're citing, he traded a first round pick for... a first round pick, so it really doesn't support your theory at all. And the DROY that you spoke of was drafted in the first round, which doesn't exactly support your premise that second rounders are worth more :P

This year was the first year that Belichick traded a first rounder down in to the second round, and he explicitly stated that it was because of the talent breakdown for this year. He thought that early second round talent was about as good as the late first round talent.

He did not think that, one would assume, when he drafted Richard Seymour, Daniel Graham, Vince Wilfork, Ben Watson, Logan Mankins, Jerod Mayo and Brandon Meriweather all in the first round. The value of a second round pick is higher *because* you can get one much cheaper than you can get a first rounder. If the price is the same, then you take the first rounder (provided that it's outside of the top 5) every time.

The deal is not final until he or any player passes a physical in a trade

He will be a Raider, you Chief fans ned to quit dreaming.....Your owner would never shell out the coin needed for a player of this caliberLMAO

You're right. Our owner wouldn't shell out a first round pick and all that money for a guy who plays 6 games a year.

I'm sure Seymour is going to be super motivated watching FatMarcus sink any chance that defense has.

LMAO

I think you have to be actually present in order to pass a physical.

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I've only been gone a few weeks.:huh:

This isn't going to happen, but that doesn't mean I'd turn it down. We are not good enough to be not be looking to upgrade at almost any position. Yeah we need a new right side of the O-line but that wouldn't keep me from acquiring talent elsewhere if the right opportunity presents itself. This team is not good enough for that.

And I mentioned it in another thread, but even though we're in a 3-4 the Patriots guys obviously value having talented guys across the defensive line. More so than the conventional 3-4 wisdom would have it anyway.

You ned to shut the **** up.

Don't you have a meth lab to tend to? WTF are you doing here? My name is not ned either...

Die.

how does it feel to support a team so bad that players won't even report when traded. Commitment to Excrement

Let's follow the logic, here. The Cable Guy says it's being held up by issues with the Patriots and said player. You're saying the deal is not final until said player passes a physical in a trade. So you're saying the thing that's holding this up is Seymour taking a physical for the Patriots so that the Raiders can have him?

Oh and by the way, "owner smack" when it comes to anything related to Al Davis is an automatic loss for you before it even starts.

LMAO

Read your post. I was making fun of your misspelling

You're right. Clark needs to learn from Al Davis and trade a 2nd and a 5th round pick to get Seymour, sign him to a 7 year deal, then cut him 8 games into the season like Al Davis did with DeAngelo Hall.

Nice launch!

undead al would be furious

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...TL&type=sports

Seymour still has failed to report....it would still be the dumbest of all dumb moves to trade a 2nd for him. There is no chance and there never will be a chance that he will ever sign with the chiefs long term. It's simple there are 28 teams better than us, many of them will be able to offer exactly the same money than us and he will go to a contender that can offer him enough money. Why? Because quite simply by the time we are ready to contend on a consistent basis, he will no longer be in the league... It would be silly for him to play here, for the same reason it is silly for TG to play here. By the time we are ready to contend again, they will both be done.

He has a ring. TG didn't. Big difference.

And FTR, I dont think it will happen at all. I'm just saying, that reasoning doesn't hold much water; at least how you framed it.

Why you think any vet would play with a losing team, when they can get paid similar money to play with a team that winning? That just doesn't happen, not unless you team is in, NY or LA. Sorry hate to say it no matter how we get him there is no chance we're singing him next year. Especially considering next year is uncapped. Dude is going to dallas, or NYG, or even Wash, and there's really no where else he's going, with an uncapped year those will offer him the most.

I'm going to disagree with this, the Chiefs have the cap room to pay him what he wants.

And so does every other team in the league next year.

That's not exactly true, have you seen the rules for the uncapped year?

If this guy is a DE and not an NT; why do we care? Let's throw McGee back on the bench? Meh.

IF we get him, signing him next year might not be an issue because we'll franchise him. I don't see Pioli allowing a deal with him that pre-empts a franchise tag.

That said, I think this is all bullshit.

well in all seriousness seymour is taller and heavier than tank tyler
and he is a converted dt

Now look here, if the Chiefs can get Big Dick Seymour for a 2nd rounder they should probably do that.

He's got several years left in him and he is still a premier player.

So is he a viable NT then?

Yes...and baring the specific playoff teams and those specific rules anyone can afford him, even the playoff teams could with creative accounting find a way to make it work. Yes if capped years come into play they could be put in cap hell, but no one knows what the next CBA would be. I'd be willing to bet certain owners will roll the dice with marquee players, if they think they can win now. Especially considering there is no guarantee that a cap will ever come back.

No he is not a NT...

However I don't know why someone would turn their nose up at a premier player.

is tank tyler?

Because defensively, we're closer to a stage of surgical addition and subtraction as opposed to the offense, where you could basically run a sandblaster across that crew and not destroy much.

ROFL

That defense has a ton of holes in it too.

But are they DE's?

Well... Seymour is something we lack.. A proven great player...

True enough.

Additional info....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=47033

Wow I am shocked. I wouldn't have thought you would support such a trade especially with his age and all.

Any news on this, is he a raider yet?

Nope. He didn't report today, either...

ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP)—Richard Seymour(notes) failed to report to Oakland for a second straight day Tuesday after being traded from the New England Patriots.

“I really have nothing to report on that,” Raiders coach Tom Cable said. “Nothing has changed at this point.”
Other popular stories across the Yahoo! network:

Seymour, a five-time Pro Bowl defensive end, was acquired from the Patriots on Sunday in exchange for Oakland’s first-round draft pick in 2011. The move was on the NFL’s official transactions list and Seymour is on the Raiders’ roster on their Web site.

Cable said he spoke with Seymour earlier this week and that the defensive lineman told him he wants to play in Oakland.

Cable reiterated that he is hopeful Seymour will play for the Raiders but declined to discuss reports the two sides were in talks on a new contract.

“I don’t want to comment about anything of that until we have something that’s done and concrete,” Cable said.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick also refused to talk about Seymour and the trade during his daily meeting with the media.

So what happens at this point, can this trade actually become null and void?

Maybe, and maybe. Either he's negotiating a new deal before reporting, or walking there reeaallly slowly, like I did at 8 years old when I knew a whippin' awaited.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraider...um-on-seymour/

Apparently, Cable said Seymour said that he needs to work some stuff out with the Patriots. And the Patriots pretty much responded, "What the f**k are they talking about?" ROFL

Rumor has it that Seymour wants a contract extension. But I've also heard that he wants them to guarantee not to use the tag on him. I would think he's demanding either/or: either you pay me a shitload of cash in a new contract to sacrifice the rest of my career wasting my talents in Oakland, or you promise to let me free with my 40 acres and a mule after my year of toiling in servitude in the purgatory that is Oakland.

All I know is, I'm willing to bet his relationship with the Patriots is permanently in the shitter over this. So, if for some reason the trade DIDN'T happen, there's no way he's going back. Which mean the Pats would be forced to move him SOMEWHERE. Which means they'd be forced to take the best deal available. If I were Pioli, I'd be calling Belichick and be in his ear, like that little devil sitting on Tom Hulce's shoulder when he was pushing the chick home in the shopping cart, saying, "F**k her! Suck her tits!" I'd be saying, "Hey, Bill... I hear you're having problems over there... you know, we'd be happy to take Seymour off your hands..."

You're obviously joking