I'm little concerned that Pioli might be an issue much like CP was. I do believe in having both a strong personality for each role, HC and GM. It's healthy and good for the team in the long run.

Charger fans are learning the hard way about a strong personality in the GM position but not in the HC position. AJ Smith got rid of Marty and replaced him with Norv who is a push over among other things. It not working out.

You frequently need stress, strain, and disagreement. You also need each person to stay out of each other's way so they can do their jobs.

Let's hope Pioli gives Haley some room.
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And therein is the crux of the issue.

Brodie Croyle, even if he isn't a better quarterback than Matt Cassel right now, is a very talented player, and you could argue he has more raw talent than Cassel.

Whether or not he can get past his shortcomings, both mental (checking down too much, and the previous coaching staff) and physical (injuries) should be the only factors that limit his ability to contribute and succeed with this franchise. Someone else's contract should not hold back the best player for the team from playing if "The Right 53" is to be believed.

The fact of the matter is that those who were so quick to dismiss Croyle's performance in Baltimore are in most cases the same to praise Cassel's against Oakland, when, if they were transposed, so would be their opinions of the superior performance.

I love Haley. Haley is a good coach. His boss is kind of a wanker though.

Let's also remember something else. Pioli turned down other jobs, such as the one in Cleveland, because he wanted "Total Control". Such a desire could portend to disagreements, particularly with an opinionated coach.

Unpossible.

Fearless leader Pioli told us that Cassel is king.

Do you think Cassel is going to play like he did Sunday all year long?

Well these next what 6 games are far more difficult than the Raiders....

I still have the same view of Cassel I did before he was on the Chiefs.

I don't know. I think he'll play similarly or worse when facing the meat of our schedule. I think he may have some good games against some of the almost non-existent patsies on our schedule, like Cleveland.

All I know is that we're going to play some really ****ing good defenses this year.

This pretty much sums it up Dane. Whitlock does not back up any of this article with facts, purely speculation. That is why I do not believe Whitlock.

Agreed. But I don't think every time has a secondary like Oakland's, do you?

I think he's going to struggle mightily against the Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Chargers, Eagles and Steelers.

I hope he'll play better but quiet honestly, I'm not counting on it.

It won't matter that much when they're getting on top of the QB in 2 seconds and beating the shit out of him.

This is true in the best partnerships that are creative be they sports, music, whatever. You show me a band where everyone shares the same opinion and gets along like the Mickey Mouse Club, and I'll play you the dullest music you've ever heard.

I don't think Haley was given ANY control over who the Quarterback of this team was going to be, and I think he's pissed about being sold a sub-par bill of goods in Matt Cassel, and rightfully so.

That's right mother****ers; I said it. What?:shrug:

Philly's is close, and their front seven is better. Dallas and NYG's front lines will massacre us. I'm not too worried about the Shitskins (no, I don't mean this in the racial way), they look horrible, but Cincy and Pittsburgh...yikes. Plus Dumervil is looking like a BAMF in Denver.

Scott Pioli, being interviewed by the KC press, is interrupted by Todd Haley at the next PC:

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Something no one realizes they see Cincy and think win...they finished 12 in total D last year...their defense has gotten alot better.

But Denver and McDaniels suck.

I know that because there have been thousands upon thousands of posts on Chiefsplanet telling me so.

Haley's gonna gameplan around our shitty line all year.

Just like he did Sunday.

Just like how I ****ed Phoenix Marie the other day because I thought about her when I beat off.

The Bengals beat the Chiefs last year in Cincy with Ryan ****ing Fitzgerald at QB.

Yet the geniuses around here think the Chiefs go to Cincy this year and win with Carson Palmer at QB.

:rolleyes:

So he'll gameplan to score 13 points while those teams are jacking up 30?

I agree with all of this.

I'm literally just hoping for some mediocre production and a healthy Cassel.

If he is injured it's gonna look real bad for P&H.

Don't be a fool. We were in a position to score a lot more than 13 points.

I saw Belladonna at Katsu-ya Sushi tonight.

I wish I hadn't.

Goddamn, she is one ugly ass chick. And her husband looks like a fat, ****ing, balding fan boy.

Truly weird.

"Stay Down Bitch" hex is on though

Then expect to see a lot of rollouts, boots, and a WCO style attack. Of course, this should have been the plan anyway, because Cassel really isn't that good at stretching the field with the intermediate to deep ball.

Your knowledge of porn starlets is probably the most impressive thing about you.

Truly, Hamas, the Renassance Man.

Never really understood the appeal with her.

Here's what gets me, Haley and Whisenhunt ended up playing Warner over Leinart because Leinart isn't a downfield passer...we hire Haley and trade for Cassel who is not a downfield passer.

How's that make any god damn sense?

You're good, I figured I would give the guy more than one game.... but you are right he is sub par :shake:

The glory and the curse of working mostly opposite schedules of your significant other.

You become knee deep in your own hand.

Her appeal is that she does nasty shit that other girls wouldn't even think about doing.

Actually they played Warner over Leinart because Leinart was shitty as hell.

Warner just happened to be a better downfield passer.

And personally, I think Cassel's arm is much stronger than Leinart's.

I guess it's because most guys (not me, of course) love to **** an ugly chick up the ass, just for spite.

The gap between her two front teeth dwarf Madonna's or Letterman's.

And I'm not an anti-tattoo guy at all, but hers were just nasty.

She's a ****ing trailer trash skank.

That's really not true, Leinart was fine under Dennis Green. If you put him on say Minnesota he'd do a fine job.

When you ask him to throw the routes they want run down the field he's not gonna be able to do it and Cassel is a very blah downfield passer.

Well, Warner never had a huge arm, but he was accurate down the field. That's an important distinction.

Sounding more and more like Haley didnt make the call for Cassel.

Leinart was developing well under DG. People want to sweep this under the rug. He was a perfect fit for that system. If Philly were smart, they'd shitcan Kolb and McNabb and trade some trash for him from Arizona. He'd thrive in Reid's offense.

I think last weeks game shows how inconsistent Cassel is throwing down the field, asking him to be a downfield passer is just flirting with ****ups.

Again, unpossible.

Everyone knows that if Haley and Pioli were gay, they'd be married with kids from Thailand and Guam.

Minnesota would have been smart as well to get him, but they got Brett Favre to try to get a new stadium.

I thought it was a good article. I for one though think that being a first year GM deserves more slack than a first year head coach. Not attempting a field goal in the first half of the raiders game was purely coaching. As to draft picks, and other player/salary cap decisions, we haven't seen them bare fruit yet. Good article though,and I hope that Haley and Pioli were good choices at their respective jobs.

Hey, that's just MY take. Believe what you please.

I really wish the local media would stop trying to sabotage the confidence of our sixty million dollar QB...that's for sure. Now it's a national story? What? JFC

If a media story sabotages is confidence that's all I need to know about him.

agree to disagree... that's cool.. . Cassel wasn't my first choice either but I figured I would at least give him a chance to win me over

Personally, if I were given a $60 million dollar plus contract, there's nothing that anyone could say in the press or public that would affect me.

I'd have so many hot chicks ready to massage my body and stroke my ego that I'd be the most confident mother****er to ever walk on a football field.

If his confidence is "sabotaged" this easily, he never had any to begin with.

Sure as shit is brown, I don't remember Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, or Steve Young having their confidence crushed by questions over a QB controversy

The first opinion Haley gave PUBLICLY on Cassel was, and I quote:

"He seems like a guy who has the right mental make-up, I hope that he can play".

Does that sound like the ringing endorsement of a Head Coach who is in love with his hand-picked Quarterback to you?

We're talking about two throws. Two.

Cassel has no deep threat so safeties are gonna hover in the 25-yard range all game long.

It's gonna be tough sledding, and throwing to midget doesn't make it easier.

No shit. And we're talking about Kansas City.

Just imagine Cassel in Chicago or ****ing New York City.

That boy had better nut the **** up, quick.

No, we're talking about his entire pro career.

I think Pioli had his QB picked before he even hired Haley... so Todd is just playing the hand that's been dealt....

How would you liked to have been Troy Aikman in 1989, Cowboys suck ass and before you play a snap they take another QB giving up their first round pick next year for the new coach's old QB in college. No wonder they had a dyntasy.

All 16 games in four plus years.

You are 100% correct. Look no further than his opening PC.

Pioli seems hellbent on establishing the concept that you can build a winning organization by following a geometric proof. I doubt the efficacy of such an approach, time will only tell, but goddamned if it hasn't looked bizarre up to this point.

Well, yeah...I hope so.

But I doubt any QB wants to play with someone breathing down his neck...

Instead of him going out there and playing how he knows how to play, now he has to "think" about not messing up because of the ol' QB controversy that probably doesn't even exist.

I don't understand how anyone who actually watched the two games can say they saw more out of Brodie than they did out of Cassel.

We had like 30 god damn yards of offense in the 1st half...and I refuse to count the stat-padding pass to Charles to end the 2nd quarter...

I mean, Brodie led on us on ONE good drive...whoopee...and it was when the Ravens softened up because they just took a 7 point lead and thought there was no way in hell we could match it (I mean, did anyone think we had a shot?)...If they had been up by a field goal...I'm sure we would have seen another 3rd and 8 freak out check down from Croyle...

Seriously...talk about some bullshit here.

I'm tired of hearing about it...I like Jason Whitlock...I wish the ****er would just move on...but alas, he gets 500 reply threads every single one of these he releases...he's damn good at his job, I'll give him that.

Why are we bashing Cassel? Its premature isnt it?

They damn sure weren't afraid to hedge their bets with QBs.

well I guess the Pats fans were calling for his head after the Phins disaster last year...and he bounced back rather nicely...so we'll see...

To be perfectly honest, I thought he played just fine against Oakland...I thought he played much better than Brodie did against Baltimore...

But I could see how some of the national media guys who read the box scores rather than watch the games might argue differently.

[sarcasm] OOh hell, lets trade Cassel to Denver, that would make McDaniels day like getting the the new issue of his subscription to Tiger Beat. [/sarcasm]

Oh I agree... If it turns out he can play at a high level than all this drama is for nothing.... I hope that ends up being the case

And sad thing is we were so close to being like those Cowboys. But I am not getting into that can of worms.

and seemed to not have watched the Baltimore game and realized the dumbed down play calling for Brodie

Brodie Croyle 3 NFL seasons 0 wins. Thats enough about the QB controversy.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-networ...ntana-vs-Young

Watch Steve Young in this video. Dude doesn't give a ****.

whatever bad Cassel did against Oakland can be at least equaled by the idiotic 3rd and 18 check down from dumbass Croyle in the 4th quarter of the Ravens game...

That was at least EQUALLY as dumb as Cassel throwing that pass to Savage at the end of the 1st half.

Uh that play didnt give up a sure 3 points.

I think Haley put his foot in his mouth with that "then sign me up" comment...I don't think that's how he meant to say it, it just came out...

We'll see...I'm fully expecting this season to get out of hand and for some of the idiots to beg for Brodie even though we've already seen how that ends up a few times.

I hope for the sake of our team Cassel is good because if he's not we're completely ****ed.

Oh Hootie, STFU.

Cassel ran for 9 yards on 3rd and 23.

Neither play was dumb. Just a guy trying to avoid a turnover in a hopleless, no-win situation.

I bet you were shocked when he threw that touchdown. Admit it.

yeah you're right

it just gave us 4th and 18 from our own 20 in a must-get-a-1st down situation!

Brilliant!

Lets throw a checkdown to a double covered shitty TE and hope he miraculously A) catches the ball and B) breaks 3 tackles to gain positive yardage so we can hurry up to the LOS and pray we pick up a 4th and 16 instead of a 4th and 18!

That pass was super ****ing pussy and served no purpose...as a Chiefs fan, I would have been much, much, MUCH more satisfied with a forced pick 6 downfield because at least that means he would have attempted to make a play...instead he checked down because he was afraid he might take a hit...rather than step up and try to make a play so we can win a football game.

That 3rd and 18 was all I needed to see (again) from Brodie...he's basically dead to me.

It's best for the long term interests for him to be really good. But if he's not, it's almost better for him to be really bad so that we don't have to dwell in Carl-esque mediocrity thinking that we're just one or two players away when we really have no chance due to limitations under center.

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the Croyle pass on 3rd and 18 was an abortion of all abortions when it comes to NFL QB'ing...

Nothing Cassel did last game even rivaled that decision in my eyes...

and in all honesty, I think Cassel played a decent enough game to make me believe he will be a good QB for us...he's the only reason we really have for watching this abortion this year.

One of my best friends is a Bills fan that lives in Jersey on Sunday night he said this to me..."If Sanchez keeps this up and the Jets end up good for a long time I'm blaming you and your stupid ass team"

you can never make your own point...tell me how that 3rd and 18 pass wasn't one of the dumbest decisions he could have made?

It was a terrible, terrible, ball-less throw that shows what kind of confidence Brodie Croyle has in his abilities.

He's a less talented, more injury prone version of Kyle Orton.

If that's what you want your QB to be than...whooopeee!

On Whitlock:

Be careful of the bandwagon effect from viewpoints as well as objections because they don't fit someone's personal agenda.




just my expert opinion. ... :D

And if you are an Offensive-minded coordinator with an established level of success, staking YOUR REPUTATION in the league as you move up to the next and final tier of coaching, wouldn't you DEMAND to have a say if not the FINAL say on who the most important member of your offense and in-fact the team is?