JFC

You are a ****ing moron.

KC's trying to develop Albert, and next year will see a more polished product. Remember everyone is given 3 years to show their stuff, and if the don't have the ability they should be tossed.

Our line looked better with Wade Smith on the field then it has with Albert. Hopefully he he's just tired from the weight loss and long hard TC and he will bounce back with some rest.

PhilFree:arrow:

If the Chiefs are in a position to draft a franchise caliber left tackle near the top of the draft they can't pass that up in the hopes that Albert will come around.

And your reason for having your head up Albert's fat ass is??

You know it used to be pretty much accepted as fact that it takes a tackle upwards of 3 seasons to fully develop. I think anybody giving up on Albert is crazy. Haley said himself that Albert is having to relearn some things at his lighter weight because he can no longer rely on his size to just wall off defenders. He has to use proper technique and footwork whereas before he was able to cheat a little. This is still only his second season ever playing left tackle.

Well we don't have to worry about that this year since there isn't a franchise caliber LT in this years draft.

Oh shit, here comes the stampede of B12 homers...

Jake Long, Marcus McNeill and Ryan Clady would disagree with your three year timeframe for left tackles to show their potential.

Tony Sparano had admitted to giving Long help much of last year, and so far, much of this year.

Charger fans will tell you that McNeill is not the dominant force he once was.

Hell, even Joe Thomas has regressed.

Clady is the exception, not the rule.

I'm pretty convinced that if we don't take Jackson, our run defense is even worse this year than last, and I don't even know if that's actually possible to achieve.

It's not a flashy pick, and he won't ever have the stats because of the system and position he plays, but in hindsight, it was a solid pick. And the only LT that I would have drafted last season to be a LT was Oher or Monroe (I liked Oher better though), and if the Chiefs picked him at #3, you would have seen a meltdown of epic proportions.

McNeill regressed in his second season and Jake Long has regressed this year.

I think that Okung is and will be a good LT in the NFL.

However, outside of him, I don't see much other than Zane Beadles of Utah. He's mean as shit, strong as a bull and is putting a guy on the ground on about every single play. Excellent footwork and has the agility to get out and block on the second level. I don't know if it's because he looks like a guard more than a typical LT and that he plays in the MWC, but he should be a lot higher on those "draft guru" sites than he is. He's completely legit, and I think he's a better player than former Ute and first rounder Jordan Gross. Might be better as a right tackle because of his nasty demeanor and strength, but it would almost be a waste of his footwork and agility. One of those guys who could/can be very effective on either side.

Ciron Black of LSU, is immense and talented, but his foot work and agility isn't as good as guys like Okung and Beadles, so he'll probably be looked at as a RT in the NFL even though he's been a very good LT for all four years at LSU.

I haven't seen enough of Fox at Miami (one game this season, and I was a little in the tank during it so I didn't pay enough attention to him), but have heard good things.

Charlie Brown at USC just isn't strong enough to hold off NFL level DE's. He couldn't hold the point of attack versus the ND guys and didn't seem to be able to push guys out and around.

Okung IS Albert. Difference is Okung didn't have Ferguson and Monroe playing with him forcing him inside. Also Okung is a spread LT right now, meaning he will take a few years to progress in the NFL, which you know would just set us back even more since we are already going through that transition with Albert.

One issue that would impede an Albert trade is currently Branden doesn't have great trade value do to his problems.

I don't want to give up on Albert either, but drafting a LT does solve two problems on the line in that you can move Albert back to his college guard position and you've upgraded two positions on the line. God knows we need to basically upgrade every position on the O-line, and that would be a good way to do it. I'm not so concerned about Albert not being our LT just because we spent a #15 pick on him, but rather that this line gets a lot better sooner rather than later. If he can be an All-Pro level guard along with the Chiefs getting a stud LT, that's okay by me.

I don't think Albert can be traded anyways... hes hurt right now and I don't think you can trade hurt players can you?

Sure you can, why couldn't you? If a teams will to take the risk then by all means he can be traded. It just rarely happens because the players trade value is lower due to the injury.

Yeah, this seems like horse shit. If they've managed to find workable ground with Dorsey, I can't see throwing Albert out the door.

Your avatar is awesome. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

Yeah lets take the spread offense tackle who got abused last night by Mizzou in the first round. LMAO

Okung got repeatedly pushed in the backfield by Aldon Smith, who he outweighs by 50 pounds. On top of that, Smith beat him around the edge several times.

No to BlOkung.

The real elite OT prospect at SC is Tyron Smith...he's only a true sophomore but he has all the talent in the world.

The only player on OK State who's worthy of a high pick is Dez Bryant and I'm iffy about him...

Chiefs have announced several transcations.

The first, the Chiefs have traded Dwayne Bowe to Miami for Ryan Baker, Will Billingsley, JD Folsom, Andrew Hartline, Derrick Jones, Julius Pruitt, James Robinson, and Kory Sperry.

The second, the Chiefs have traded Branden Albert to New England for Titus Adams, Robbie Agone, Kyle Arrington, Bruce Davis, Terrance Nunn, Daryl Richard, Isiaih Stanback and Ryan Wendall.

The third, the Chiefs have traded Derrick Johnson to Dallas for Bobby Carpenter.

:)

Don't also forget to mention Joe Thomas and D'Brickshaw Ferguson. Trading Branden Albert would be the worst move the Chiefs could make. If he isn't working out at LT, move him back inside to guard. DaJuan Morgan right now might fetch a used pregnancy test, so what's the point?

I've always hated when coaches misappropriate inherited players simply because they aren't "their guys", BUT I do believe a coach (whose job is on the line) should sink or swim on their own terms. And if that means sending Albert on...so be it.

may as well trade them

Morgan has picked it up since a slow start in camp where he was dissapointing. He plays well on special teams. Whoever we would pick up wouldn't have the upside he does. I hope we wait another year with him.

DJ i'd say has a decent chance to get traded with the injuries to the Bears LB's and same with the Bills.

Also with the CBA and cap future and how that effects FA, it could lead to offseason trades increasing if there is lack of player movement from the FA market.

The NFL trade deadline is tomorrow and the Chicago Bears already got themselves a big trade when the team acquired defensive end Gaines Adams(notes) on Friday from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And now the team is trying to land a linebacker by tomorrow's deadline, according to the National Football Post.

The need apparently became even more apparent after yesterday's 21-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons when veteran linebacker Pisa Tinoisamoa(notes) went down with a knee injury just after returning from three weeks of recuperating from injury.

The Bears have had a lot of injuries at linebacker this season, with both Hunter Hillenmeyer(notes) and Brian Urlacher(notes) also currently out.

A rumored target is Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson.

Source: National Football Post


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/rumors/p...urn=nfl,196755

Biggs: Could Bears be in market for a linebacker?

Tinoisamoa hurt again; Chiefs could be shopping Johnson

ATLANTA—The Bears pulled off one big trade already by acquiring defensive end Gaines Adams on Friday from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Could they be in the market for more help on defense after their 21-14 loss to the Atlanta Falcons Sunday night at the Georgia Dome? It wasn’t that side of the ball that did Lovie Smith’s team in—the defense had nothing to do with two red zone turnovers—but the club suffered another potentially serious injury at linebacker.

Veteran Pisa Tinoisamoa was taken off the field on a cart with a right knee injury during the third quarter. He had just returned to action after missing three games. Tinoisamoa tore the posterior cruciate ligament in his right knee in the season opener at Green Bay. He had played very well during preseason and brought a physical presence to the front seven in the first half of the game.

Hunter Hillenmeyer has been out three weeks now with two fractured ribs and has yet to return to practice. Middle linebacker Brian Urlacher is out for the season following surgery on his right wrist. It could all add up to put general manager Jerry Angelo in a position to deal again. The Kansas City Chiefs are rumored to be willing to part with Derrick Johnson, who has fallen out of favor there. The trade deadline is Tuesday at 4 p.m.

There is no word yet on the nature of Tinoisamoa’s injury, but that should come soon. Angelo is already without his first- and second-round picks in 2010 because of the Jay Cutler and Adams’ trades. He might hesitate to thin his ’10 draft even more, but he’s starting to run out of bodies. The Bears have already used five different starters at linebacker, and if Tinoisamoa is out this coming Sunday at Cincinnati (that looks likely), Jamar Williams could be forced into duty. He would become the sixth starter the Bears have used.

Stay tuned.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...inebacker.html

In any business "inherited" people are always on the bubble. GM's, Coaches, Business Managers always have a rough ride with someone who is not their person.

This is just a fact of life.

What does this team have to gain by trading any of these guys away? There's no chance we would break even on the draft pick spent, and we'd also have more holes to fill in our already horrible roster. We've got Albert and Morgan with (relatively) cheap rookie contracts, and it's not like this team is capped out anyway.

It makes zero sense for the Chiefs to move them. Maybe DJ, depending on where he's at in his contract.

He's an unrestricted FA at the end of this year. Free to go anywhere he chooses.

Ok so I can see the DJ move. As much as I hate to see him go, he's looked totally lost playing in the 3-4. It's unlikely we'll pay him at the end of the year, so we get some value from trading him.

But trading Albert and Morgan makes no sense to the Chiefs unless someone is going to "overpay" for them.

Then he is the first to cry and act like a snitch bitch to Whitlock...


Waters will be gone after this season.... Thankfully...

Is there anyone we aren't considering trading?

Stay off the meth

Matt Cassell and Tyson Jackson that's about it.

the reluctance of the organization to utilize the salary cap funds they have doesn't give me any reason to believe they will make any kind of deal that will better the team much.

and it's not exactly like we're laden with talent that could step in and help a contender over the hump.

If the Chiefs trade Albert does that mean the Jared Allen trade wasn't a success?

Who knows nobody is safe ... piles are piles ... man your shovels ...

I would say it is a wash rigt now but if we trade albert the vikings got the better of the deal

Being that the Bears do not have a 1st or 2nd rounder in 2010, how about trading DJ for a second rounder in 2011 and say a 5th in 2010? I would prefer the pick next year, but a 2nd the following year would help our team in the long term tremendously.

neg rep and nuthooks.

**** that....he's not worth a 2nd round pick. I'd ask for a 3rd and be done with it.

What you didn't think trading for Miami and New England's practice squad was funny? :D

Shit....get it done.

nope, classless and deranged.

and McGraw over-pursued and took himself right out of the play iirc

Ask for a #3. Take the #4.

Exactly. I'd be happy with a 4th....and I'd be ecstatic if we got a 3rd.

Spoken like a true drafturbator. WTF.

the value of future pick drops each year

how much is a 2nd round pick worth two years from now?

I won't be surprised if we get it. There are 3 or 4 teams seriously in need of LB help.

WTF do you think????

Thanks Carl!!!

What does this phrase mean? I have seen several people use it. Is it a quote?

I was screaming at the TV when that happened. Hard to imagine missing a call that blatant...

Two years from now it will be worth a 2nd round pick.

Don't be surprised if the Eagles are looking for a LB as well.

It has nothing to do with my "head up Albert's ass"

It has to so with your head, as usual, up yours.

Mike Lombardi is speculating based on reports from OTAs and TC that management is unhappy with Albert and Dorsey.

If you didn't have your head up your ass, you'd know that these are a couple of guys that worked their asses off and haley has nothing but good things to say about them since the preseason.

But, of course, you only see the report your dumb ass wants to see.

I would just like to know how it is you know exactly when to pull your head out your ass to read these dumbass reports?

I have to give you credit.
That's pretty ****ing remarkable.

i'll tell ya what .... i'll trade a million dollars in 2060 for a million today. Same value, right?




the common theme is that the value drops 1 rd each year.

Which is stupid because when the pick is made it is still a second round pick. Not a third, or a fourth, or anything else. And when that pick is on the clock it will have the same value that it normally would.

Delayed gratification is not any less gratifying.

Not really. The thought is that a proper third round pick, that is developed and coached for a year... will be equal to a second round pick the following year.

The other point is that when a team sees a player in the third round they want, but don't have a pick, they will trade a second the following year to have the third in that year.

Thats not how it works in the NFL though. Because you have to think you're not getting the value of the trade until a year later. Not to mention that's just one more season you have to wait for a rookie to get accustomed to the league's play.

There's way too much overanalysis going on here. It's a second round pick. period. If you want to deduct points for waiting I guess that's your preroggative but it in the real world it doesn't make that pick any less valuable when that pick is on the clock.

If another team wants to trade up to that spot they're not going to deduct value because that pick was acquired from another team in a previous season. Waiting to cash in on the pick doesn't devalue the pick in any way.

fine ... if it's the same then why don't you trade me all the money your currently have for the same amount + 1 dollar next year.

i mean it's the same value and then you can make a free dollar.

wrong,wrong,wrong

there is inherent value in owning the item and being able to use the item now as opposed to have to wait a year or two before you can start the process.

There could be a couple of overriding factors:
A) You could use that pick to either trade for a veteran/restricted free agent, or to move up in the draft, which would make it more worthwhile to have.

B) Any pick is only as good as the player you pick with it. A second round pick in the hands of Carl is worthless. We'll have to see what a second round pick in the hands of Pioli is going to be worth.

While I agree that it is better to draft a player and have him develop and be useful earlier, not all drafts and offseasons are created equally. With the depth that this upcoming draft class should supposedly have, if used correctly, it can become a valuable player for 2010.

Keep your fingers crossed that Pioli has put together a good scouting department this year, because we're going to need to hit on damn near every pick...

Would you rather have had a 3rd this year over the 2nd next year?

it depends on what condition my team is in ... what the draft is like.

Can i afford to wait? Is there someone specific i'm targeting.


bottom line that the value degrades


it's a fact, no matter how much you don't like it

I'm not disagreeing that a lot of people give creedence to measuring trade value that way. It's not anything I agree or disagree with. I just think it's stupid. The trade value is different than the value of that pick when it's on the clock.

Soley in terms of draft value, a 2nd is worth more than a 3rd. Always has been and always will be.

I'll reword my question for you. Concerning our trade of Gonzalez, would you have been happier with a 3rd or 4th last year or the 2nd this year?

No more drafting. From now on we plant magic beans that grow in to Pro Bowlers once a year.

Pro Bowlers with sizzle goddamnit.