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Tiger's Fan 10-30-2009 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MVChiefFan (Post 6220251)
Dear lord! This is like a woman who was abused by her husband then after she leaves him starts talking about how great he was. We're talking about Bernard f****** Pollard here! We bitched about this turd burglar relentlessly while he was here and now we're wishing we had him back? Does anyone remember all the TD's this trash let up on the pass? I'm sorry but a safety has to be able to tackle and play the ball, it's just fact.

It's entertaining to say the least.

It reminds me of when all the talk was about "true fans" not being able to stomach a true rebuild. Look how thats worked out. The same people spewing that shit are now saying "but it's not how I would have rebuilt".

I guess we know who has the stomach for reality, and who doesn't. Defending a joke like Pollard is just another of many examples of people who are completely full of shit. Suddenly a crappy Pollard > a crappier Brown = good.

****ing dullards.

Tiger's Fan 10-30-2009 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6220175)
that guy just doesnt like me specifically, that is likely why he responded to my thread the way he did, I may be wrong. He has neg repped as many of my posts as everyone else combined and all he leaves is mindless drivel like "go back to the coalition you pussy"

blah blah blah is all I hear from him when he speaks.

I have chosen the old adage in regards to him:

"never argue with an idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

You ARE a Herm and Thigpen loving moron. You know shit. You've already been dispatched as a ****ing idiot on several sites. You flip flop more than Obama. Please share with the board how much you regret our getting rid of Thigpen. I'll sit back and watch.

Mr. Laz 10-30-2009 03:25 PM

people need to just let these players go instead of torturing themselves and everyone else around them about bad things about the Chiefs.

Fish 10-30-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220418)
uuhh ok:rolleyes:, look it up and get back to me. what in that post doesnt make sense?

You stated that the majority of rushing comes in the 4th quarter. And that's simply not the case. When it's pointed out that the stats of the top 5 rushers disprove that theory, then you change your story and say, "Well those rushers weren't playing from behind." Like that makes any damn difference. Then you say "look it up and get back to you". Well you're the one who has failed to prove his point. And if you're asking me to look it up, it's pretty ****ing obvious that you didn't look at any stats at all before running your mouth about the subject.

You are incorrect, and you don't have the decency to admit it.

CoMoChief 10-30-2009 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220423)
damn and then he posed over one of them? ROFL

LOL thought that was funny too.

Though more looking at it....

- Unsure if happened in USA, lots of minority/foreign people around, no blacks or white.
- blood looks like bright red paint, where blood would be darker colored.
- lots of foreign looking cars around in the background from what I can tell.
- Most newpapers in US don't shoot graphic pics like that and post them on their public sites.

So I dunno. Either way 3 dumbasses/felons no longer are on the streets causing shit tons of trouble.

DJ's left nut 10-30-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6220475)
LOL thought that was funny too.

Though more looking at it....

- Unsure if happened in USA, lots of minority/foreign people around, no blacks or white.

Sounds like El Paso to me...

SAUTO 10-30-2009 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6220461)
You stated that the majority of rushing comes in the 4th quarter. And that's simply not the case. When it's pointed out that the stats of the top 5 rushers disprove that theory, then you change your story and say, "Well those rushers weren't playing from behind." Like that makes any damn difference. Then you say "look it up and get back to you". Well you're the one who has failed to prove his point. And if you're asking me to look it up, it's pretty ****ing obvious that you didn't look at any stats at all before running your mouth about the subject.

You are incorrect, and you don't have the decency to admit it.

ROFL ok it doesnt make a difference if the players are playing from behind and their rushing is less in the 4th qtr. you are a genious. buddy. if i thought i was actually wrong on this i would admit it.

penchief 10-30-2009 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 6219801)
Haley seems more concerned with "sending a message" than proper coaching.

I keep seeing a couple people peddling this notion. What exactly is this message you presume he is trying to send? I can't coach so you suck? I wish people who keep assigning this motive to Haley would say what they believe his point is instead of just making the insinuation.

Pollard sucked ass. He was undisciplined, a shitty tackler, and terrible in the passing game. I'm going to assume that not taking to proper coaching was what bought Pollard a one-way ticket out of town.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220483)
ROFL ok it doesnt make a difference if the players are playing from behind and their rushing is less in the 4th qtr. you are a genious. buddy. if i thought i was actually wrong on this i would admit it.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5244103)
I liked when Morgan bit on the play fake on that TD pass, just like Pollard always does.

So, if even the so-called "talented" players are making that mistake, maybe we start looking at the coaching they are receiving?

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5242895)
If you try to argue that Pollard is any good you're going to make yourself look bad...

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5229805)
I think if you can get a true starter at safety to play with Morgan, then Pollard becomes that veteran safety who contributes on special teams.

Otherwise, you and I are in complete agreement.

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 4957940)
To say we absolutely DON'T need help at DT is mind-boggling. Assuming Dorsey has the goods, that STILL means we could upgrade behind him.

How do we not need safety help? Just because Page and Pollard are young, doesn't mean they are any good. This year will be the tell-tale year for both of them, IMO. If we keep seeing the same mistakes, then it might be time to demote them to backup duty and get someone else in who can do the job.

i did find some good nuggets from some guys who are bitching now...

Fish 10-30-2009 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220483)
ROFL ok it doesnt make a difference if the players are playing from behind and their rushing is less in the 4th qtr. you are a genious. buddy. if i thought i was actually wrong on this i would admit it.

That is your problem. We're still waiting on the evidence to support your theory. Have you given up?

BossChief 10-30-2009 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen (Post 6220445)
You ARE a Herm and Thigpen loving moron. You know shit. You've already been dispatched as a ****ing idiot on several sites. You flip flop more than Obama. Please share with the board how much you regret our getting rid of Thigpen. I'll sit back and watch.

please, do tell, because the only Chiefs boards I post on are this and the Coalition, which I am loved at. I would like to know which boards I am in your words only "dispatched as a ****ing idiot" you damn fool.

My username is the same everywhere I post and I would provide the list of sites to anyone that wants to know so they can go find out for themselves exactly what my beliefs are that arent already in type here.

What is your username at the coalition? Hold on, let me guess...wilsonfootball. I bet thats it because he spits the same mindless drivel and has absolutly nobody ever there to back his side of a discussion...that is you to a T from what Ive seen. I bet thats it.

me=leader.....you=last to be picked to a team LOSER/FOLLOWER

Everytime a hater like yourself takes a shot at me over there, its usually because I am not afraid of voicing my true opinion. You on the other hand only jump on the ****ing bandwagon and hang on tight, you ****ing pussy!

When Herm got there, I sure as shit liked the decision. Many did. The guy had lead his team to the playoffs in every year his QB was healthy and almost had them in the afc championship game. The more I saw his gameday dumb, the more I criticized it. Eventually I got off the Herm support vehicle and joined the club.

Call that flip flopping, or making an informed decision once enough information was there to do so. Whatever, your hatin dumb ****ing ass wants to call it.

I still think we should have kept Thigpen as a backup. I dont care if that is popular.

Everyone is wrong once in awhile and apperently, Parcells believed he had value and decided to trade for him. But let me guess, you know better right?

Was he all world or possessing the talent to be, one day? I dont think so. Did he have the talent to be a very good backup that can get you through stretches where the QB was out, yes. I have brought up his name multiple times, I have never flip flopped as you suggest.

You are nothing but a hater, and a piece of shit.

You should feel special because you are in a world all alone where nobody likes you.

The things I defended Herm for, I still do if you would pay attention. I am a realist, I feel he was undeserving of about 1/3 of the critisism he gets here and elsewhere because he inherited the oldest team in the NFL and transformed it into the youngest in two years, only idiots like you expect the playoffs in those circumstances. I jumped off as soon as I could tell last year was going nowhere, did I make a mistake of supporting him too long? Yes, I admit that. Do I think more blame for the Chiefs demise should be laid at the doorstep of CP? **** YES!!!

Again everyone makes mistakes.

So, again what did I flip flop about again?

Please do tell the world the truth you bitch made idiot, or get the **** off the nuts cause IM CAKN PATNA!!!

Go play in traffic!

SAUTO 10-30-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6220506)
That is your problem. We're still waiting on the evidence to support your theory. Have you given up?

no not giving up just busy working. why dont you prove me wrong?

Fish 10-30-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220550)
no not giving up just busy working. why dont you prove me wrong?

I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you. You made the ridiculous claim. If you want people to take you seriously, you'll have to back up claims like that. But you won't. And people will continue to dismiss your claims.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-30-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6219948)
I almost guarantee one could make a better defense out of the players that have left, than what we still have.

Jared Allen
Scott Fujita
Kawika Mitchell
Lawrence Tynes
Bernard Pollard
Ryan Sims (just a warm body)
Vonnie Holliday
Benny Sapp
Junior Siavii (I just needed a warm body, cant remember other dlinemen)
Keyaron Fox

Is there anyone else?

I realize these arent all world players, but all (except Sims and Siavii) could help us.

Wilkerson has 5 sacks for TB, and would be a solid end in a 3-4, IMO.
McBride had 1.5 sacks in the Lions' last game.


A D of:

RDE: Allen
3T: Dorsey (McBride)
NT: Edwards
LDE: Hali (Wilkerson, Holliday)

WLB: Fujita (Fox)
MLB: Mitchell (DJ)
SLB: DJ

RCB: Flowers
LCB: Carr
SS: Pollard
FS: Page (Morgan)

If you play a defense that uses a lot of press coverage, that's a damned good defense.

Fortunately, our player development is ****ing excellent.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2009 04:42 PM

Who cares. His performance warranted being cut. Now that he actually got the message and improved, good for him. He's still nothing special.

Skip Towne 10-30-2009 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6220633)
Who cares. His performance warranted being cut. Now that he actually got the message and improved, good for him. He's still nothing special.

Yet another failure in your long line of talent evaluations. Give it up.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6220614)
I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you. You made the ridiculous claim. If you want people to take you seriously, you'll have to back up claims like that. But you won't. And people will continue to dismiss your claims.

PETERSON 34 4th qtr carries same as 1-3
jones 26 same as 2 less than all the rest
benson 37 less than all but the 3rd
jackson 23 less than all other qtrs
johnson 24 same as the 1st less than the 2nd more than the 3rd.

so that shows that in most of these cases the 4th is one of their qtrs with less than their average carries compared to other qtrs.

not as asinine or ridiculous as some would claim.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6220637)
Yet another failure in your long line of talent evaluations. Give it up.

He was garbage when he was here, no question. His cut was deserving.

I'd say it woke his ass up.

By the way, I never said that Pollard wasn't talented, just that he was a shitty player. And he was.

BossChief 10-30-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6220629)
Wilkerson has 5 sacks for TB, and would be a solid end in a 3-4, IMO.
McBride had 1.5 sacks in the Lions' last game.


A D of:

RDE: Allen
3T: Dorsey (McBride)
NT: Edwards
LDE: Hali (Wilkerson, Holliday)

WLB: Fujita (Fox)
MLB: Mitchell (DJ)
SLB: DJ

RCB: Flowers
LCB: Carr
SS: Pollard
FS: Page (Morgan)

If you play a defense that uses a lot of press coverage, that's a damned good defense.

Fortunately, our player development is ****ing excellent.

I cant believe I forgot to add Jimmy and McBride.

Jimmy has 5.5...he should have 6 but you know how the coaches like the players to share.

I can literally post a link to a post of mine calling for us to either keep every one of those guys or me being pissed they were let go for whatever reason they let go. (except Siavii)

**** YOU CP !!! **** YOU IN THE BUNGHOLE !!!!

Add to that the possibilities we could have had if that ****ing moron had traded LJ and kept Jared like any competant GM would have.

that is 100% proof that CP is a complete and total FAIL

I bet those players have double, if not triple how many sacks our whole team has currently.

He should hve been fired when the Hunts found out he didnt fire Gunther face to face. That is a HUGE sign he wasnt capable of doing his damn job.

I would have liked to see Marty with a franchise Qb back in the days, but again CP is a total idiot....OH WAIT I FORGOT HE BROUGHT IN JOE MONTANA....oh wait that was the only time we ever had a legitimate chance at a superbowl.

Very telling also is that most of those players were our leading tackler the year before they were jettisoned.

Pollard was.

Damn I hate CP, and Scott Pioli is starting to piss me off too, but wait I dont want to be called a flip flopper by Buster ****ing Hymen so I better not say bad words about the great Pioli!

BossChief 10-30-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6220643)
He was garbage when he was here, no question. His cut was deserving.

I'd say it woke his ass up.

By the way, I never said that Pollard wasn't talented, just that he was a shitty player. And he was.

the guy got better each and every year he was here and was a very young guy when he was jettisoned.

He missed some tackles, but also made some big ones too, and he always went for the strip of the ball.

Our strong side safety leads a bad team in tackles and all of a sudden the fault is his that we suck?

that doesnt make sense.

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220641)
PETERSON 34 4th qtr carries same as 1-3
jones 26 same as 2 less than all the rest
benson 37 less than all but the 3rd
jackson 23 less than all other qtrs
johnson 24 same as the 1st less than the 2nd more than the 3rd.

so that shows that in most of these cases the 4th is one of their qtrs with less than their average carries compared to other qtrs.

not as asinine or ridiculous as some would claim.

You keep confusing quantity and quality.

Using those Top 5 guys as examples again:

Benson has a higher YPC average in the 1st and 3rd quarters than he does in the 4th.

AP's YPC is highest in the 4th.

Steven Jackson has a higher YPC in the 2nd and 3rd quarters than he does in the 4th.

Thomas Jones has a higher YPC in the 2nd quarter.

Chris Johnson's YPC is lowest in the 4th quarter by almost half.

Once again showing that only 1 of the Top 5 leading rushers actually produce more in the 4th quarter than at other times in the game - rendering your useless "guesses" wrong, per usual.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 05:23 PM

here i'll take it further

avg carries per qtr 4th qtr carries
benson 41 37
jackson 35.75 23
johnson 23.75 24
peterson 34.25 34
jones 30.5 26

johnson and peterson are pretty close, the others are below their average, not so ridiculous now huh?

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220708)
here i'll take it further

avg carries per qtr 4th qtr carries
benson 41 37
jackson 35.75 23
johnson 23.75 24
peterson 34.25 34
jones 30.5 26

johnson and peterson are pretty close, the others are below their average, not so ridiculous now huh?

See above.

That's why the TYC stat exists. To compare productivity among guys who may not get the same workload.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220711)
See above.

That's why the TYC stat exists. To compare productivity among guys who may not get the same workload.

they STILL carry the ball less in the 4th. thats what i said originally right? funny how you move the posts yet again, we were talking about running backs and them getting more yards in the 4th. nothing about per carry avg. you come back and say that they have less yards in the 4th which i say is because most of them are behind in the 4th and thus are throwing the ball more. You say for ne to prove it and i did. Then, as per usual with you, you want to bring up yards per carry, something that has nothing to do with the discussion. They arent getting the same chances to run the ball in the 4th. well mostly

SAUTO 10-30-2009 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220036)
YEAH i realize that, but less runs= less chances to break a big one. and most rushing yards are accumulated in the 4th qtr after defenses are worn down, do you not realize that?

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220066)
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I'm not going to spend all day proving him wrong, but here's what I've found about the Top 5's 4th quarter stats:

Benson: Least yards in 4th quarter compared to 1st-3rd.

AP: Most rushing yards in 4th.

Jackson: Least yards in 4th quarter.

T. Jones: 2nd lowest compared to 1st-3rd.

C. Johnson: Least yards in 4th quarter.


So, 1 out of the top 5 rushers have more yardage in the 4th quarter than any of the previous 3 quarters on the year - and 3 of them have their lowest totals in the 4th quarter.

here's the actual conversation again, i have only used stats that have to do with what we talked about at first. You, on the other hand, now want to change it to include yards per carry. the only reason you are arguing here is because it's me that said it and thats funnyROFL

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220723)
they STILL carry the ball less in the 4th. thats what i said originally right? funny how you move the posts yet again, we were talking about running backs and them getting more yards in the 4th. nothing about per carry avg. you come back and say that they have less yards in the 4th which i say is because most of them are behind in the 4th and thus are throwing the ball more. You say for ne to prove it and i did. Then, as per usual with you, you want to bring up yards per carry, something that has nothing to do with the discussion. They arent getting the same chances to run the ball in the 4th. well mostly


Damn, you're dense.

YPC takes the difference in workload out of the equation.

If a RB has a high YPC, he's going to be productive, even if he gets a limited amount of carries - and he'll be even more productive if he gets more.

When you break down a RB's YPC average by quarter, and see that his average is actually LOWER in the 4th quarter, it's shows he's less productive in the 4th quarter compared to the rest of the game.

YPC = Productivity.

You claimed that the majority of RB's rushing yards are gained in the 4th quarter.

Both the raw yardage numbers and the YPC numbers prove otherwise, regardless of how many excuses you'd like to make.

SAUTO 10-30-2009 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220742)
Damn, you're dense.

YPC takes the difference in workload out of the equation.

If a RB has a high YPC, he's going to be productive, even if he gets a limited amount of carries - and he'll be even more productive if he gets more.

When you break down a RB's YPC average by quarter, and see that his average is actually LOWER in the 4th quarter, it's shows he's less productive in the 4th quarter compared to the rest of the game.

YPC = Productivity.

You claimed that the majority of RB's rushing yards are gained in the 4th quarter.

Both the raw yardage numbers and the YPC numbers prove otherwise, regardless of how many excuses you'd like to make.

whatever man, spin it how you want. they arent getting as many yards because they arent getting the reps. so if a guy runs 3 time for a hundred yards his average would stay the same if he had 20 rushes? thats what you are implying with the bolded statement. game situations dictate it more IMO. When Lj was killing it he looked stronger in the 4th than any other time. WHY? it's the same with peterson now. WHY?

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6220614)
I don't have to. The burden of proof is on you. You made the ridiculous claim. If you want people to take you seriously, you'll have to back up claims like that. But you won't. And people will continue to dismiss your claims.

He doesn't understand.

And he's yet to prove that most RB's gain more yardage in the 4th quarter of games, because he can't.

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6220749)
whatever man, spin it how you want. they arent getting as many yards because they arent getting the reps. so if a guy runs 3 time for a hundred yards his average would stay the same if he had 20 rushes? thats what you are implying with the bolded statement. game situations dictate it more IMO. When Lj was killing it he looked stronger in the 4th than any other time. WHY? it's the same with peterson now. WHY?

You still haven't proven your statement.

Guessing doesn't cut it.

And to this goofy-ass point of yours, claiming that more carries/chances automatically means more yards...

LJ runs 20 times in the 4th quarter for 40 yards. A 2.0 YPC average.

Cedric Benson runs 10 times in the 4th quarter for 40 yards. A 4.0 YPC average.

Who was more productive?

Hint: It wasn't the guy with more carries.


And Fish and I are still waiting for you to prove that RB's gain more yardage in the 4th quarter.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2009 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6220677)
the guy got better each and every year he was here and was a very young guy when he was jettisoned.

No, he didn't.

He was a poor tackler when he arrived and he was a poor tackler right before he was cut.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-30-2009 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6220677)
the guy got better each and every year he was here and was a very young guy when he was jettisoned.

He missed some tackles, but also made some big ones too, and he always went for the strip of the ball.

Our strong side safety leads a bad team in tackles and all of a sudden the fault is his that we suck?

that doesnt make sense.

GoChiefs is a goddamned fool when it comes to Pollard. Just save yourself the time and go debate a cereal box instead.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2009 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6220768)
GoChiefs is a goddamned fool when it comes to Pollard. Just save yourself the time and go debate a cereal box instead.

Less of a fool than you were.

"MONSTER year for BP!"

ROFL

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-30-2009 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6220771)
Less of a fool than you were.

"MONSTER year for BP!"

ROFL

The year ain't over sonny and he's on a MUCH better team, so shut your cake hole.

Did LJ manage to break 1000 yet? Oh, that's right; he's suspended and on his way to the soup kitchen while Pollard is gainfully employed.

Good times, good times...

chiefzilla1501 10-30-2009 06:03 PM

I never understood cutting Pollard. He's not a bad kid like LJ. He's a hard worker. And it's not like the Chiefs got a major upgrade in Mike Brown. This cut bothered me the most because this seemed to me to be purely due to trying to get rid of the previous regime's players.

I always said that Pollard was asked to do a ton more than any safety because he played in a cover 2 for one, he played in a cover 2 that couldn't rush the passer (double whammy), and in run D, RBs too often made it to the second level untouched. Your safety shouldn't be asked to make tackles on a RB as often as Pollard and Page were last year.

I liked Page a lot more than Pollard. The more I watch Page the more I realize I was wrong. I think Pollard was a much better piece to the puzzle than Page is.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2009 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6220778)
The year ain't over sonny and he's on a MUCH better team, so shut your cake hole.

Did LJ manage to break 1000 yet? Oh, that's right; he's suspended and on his way to the soup kitchen while Pollard is gainfully employed.

Good times, good times...

LJ will lose more money in two weeks than Pollard will make all year...

What do you want to bet he's not even Houston's starter next year?

Hammock Parties 10-30-2009 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6220786)
This cut bothered me the most because this seemed to me to be purely due to trying to get rid of the previous regime's players.

Yeah, that's all it was...it had nothing to do with him missing five tackles in three quarters of one preseason game....

Skip Towne 10-30-2009 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6220786)
I never understood cutting Pollard. He's not a bad kid like LJ. He's a hard worker. And it's not like the Chiefs got a major upgrade in Mike Brown. This cut bothered me the most because this seemed to me to be purely due to trying to get rid of the previous regime's players.

I always said that Pollard was asked to do a ton more than any safety because he played in a cover 2 for one, he played in a cover 2 that couldn't rush the passer (double whammy), and in run D, RBs too often made it to the second level untouched. Your safety shouldn't be asked to make tackles on a RB as often as Pollard and Page were last year.

I liked Page a lot more than Pollard. The more I watch Page the more I realize I was wrong. I think Pollard was a much better piece to the puzzle than Page is.

GoChiefs was wrong too. The difference is you admit it.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-30-2009 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6220788)
LJ will lose more money in two weeks than Pollard will make all year...

What do you want to bet he's not even Houston's starter next year?

HAHAHAHA!

LJ pissed so much of his cash away he had to do an about-face on his bullshittery and keep his ****ing mouth shut in order to play and get paid this year after the ruling from the NFL.

Of course, we knew THAT wouldn't last long and lo and behold...

Plus, Jay-Z doesn't want him as a rep for his clothing line anymore, so LJ won't be "cak'n" via Diamond Cutter either.

BP works hard and has his head on straight, so even if he doesn't start for Houston next year as a SS, I'm sure he'll have a place on Special Teams or a starting position elsewhere in the league.

Now; tell me how awesome Mike Brown is again, I need a good chuckle.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2009 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6220797)
GoChiefs was wrong too.

What was I wrong about?

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6220786)
I never understood cutting Pollard. He's not a bad kid like LJ. He's a hard worker. And it's not like the Chiefs got a major upgrade in Mike Brown. This cut bothered me the most because this seemed to me to be purely due to trying to get rid of the previous regime's players.

I always said that Pollard was asked to do a ton more than any safety because he played in a cover 2 for one, he played in a cover 2 that couldn't rush the passer (double whammy), and in run D, RBs too often made it to the second level untouched. Your safety shouldn't be asked to make tackles on a RB as often as Pollard and Page were last year.

I liked Page a lot more than Pollard. The more I watch Page the more I realize I was wrong. I think Pollard was a much better piece to the puzzle than Page is.

Good post.

There is a quote floating around here from Pollard, talking about Gunther's departure, and how he was "held back" because he was asked to do things scheme wise that didn't play to his strengths - namely, playing in coverage.

Now, in just a short time, you can see that Pollard wasn't the problem - as Houston is playing him up in run support, and he's really given that bad run defense a huge boost. Hell, he's played less than half the season for them and he's 6th on the team in tackles.

Tiger's Fan 10-30-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6220653)
I cant believe I forgot to add Jimmy and McBride.

Jimmy has 5.5...he should have 6 but you know how the coaches like the players to share.

I can literally post a link to a post of mine calling for us to either keep every one of those guys or me being pissed they were let go for whatever reason they let go. (except Siavii)

**** YOU CP !!! **** YOU IN THE BUNGHOLE !!!!

Add to that the possibilities we could have had if that ****ing moron had traded LJ and kept Jared like any competant GM would have.

that is 100% proof that CP is a complete and total FAIL

I bet those players have double, if not triple how many sacks our whole team has currently.

He should hve been fired when the Hunts found out he didnt fire Gunther face to face. That is a HUGE sign he wasnt capable of doing his damn job.

I would have liked to see Marty with a franchise Qb back in the days, but again CP is a total idiot....OH WAIT I FORGOT HE BROUGHT IN JOE MONTANA....oh wait that was the only time we ever had a legitimate chance at a superbowl.

Very telling also is that most of those players were our leading tackler the year before they were jettisoned.

Pollard was.

Damn I hate CP, and Scott Pioli is starting to piss me off too, but wait I dont want to be called a flip flopper by Buster ****ing Hymen so I better not say bad words about the great Pioli!

You are full of shit, as usual.

You were sucking Herms imaginary penis till the day he was fired, unless you'd care to lie about that too. You also thought that Thigpen should be the starter this year, and the Chiefs wouldn't be bringing in another QB, either through draft or FA. Now you suddenly think Pollard is a world beater, even though theres a ton of proof otherwise. You are football stupid. It may be time for you to stfu and watch and learn for a change.

Mecca 10-30-2009 07:25 PM

I wasn't a fan of Pollard but the truth is...Mike Brown is worse.

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen (Post 6220876)
You are full of shit, as usual.

You were sucking Herms imaginary penis till the day he was fired, unless you'd care to lie about that too. You also thought that Thigpen should be the starter this year, and the Chiefs wouldn't be bringing in another QB, either through draft or FA. Now you suddenly think Pollard is a world beater, even though theres a ton of proof otherwise. You are football stupid. It may be time for you to stfu and watch and learn for a change.

First, no one said he's a world beater. However, he is, IMO a serviceable safety - and compared to Mike Brown, he's an upgrade.

And what "proof otherwise" do you have?

That he played poorly because he was being used incorrectly - something that happened to several players during Herm's time here?

Hiring dipshit defensive coordinator after dipshit defensive coordinator is the bigger issue here.

Mecca 10-30-2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220887)
First, no one said he's a world beater. However, he is, IMO a serviceable safety - and compared to Mike Brown, he's an upgrade.

And what "proof otherwise" do you have?

That he played poorly because he was being used incorrectly - something that happened to several players during Herm's time here?

Hiring dipshit defensive coordinator after dipshit defensive coordinator is the bigger issue here.

And it continues, this coaching staff leaves a lot to be desired.

Tiger's Fan 10-30-2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220887)
First, no one said he's a world beater. However, he is, IMO a serviceable safety - and compared to Mike Brown, he's an upgrade.

And what "proof otherwise" do you have?

That he played poorly because he was being used incorrectly - something that happened to several players during Herm's time here?

Hiring dipshit defensive coordinator after dipshit defensive coordinator is the bigger issue here.

Bad being better than worse still doesn't equal good. Don't you think hiding Pollard in a defense with their front, and Ryans and Cushing makes him look better than he actually is?

Kawika Mitchell and Nap Harris led the Chiefs in tackles in consecutive years. Does that make them magically good? I didn't think so. We're crying over garbage players here, and while the defensive coaching leaves something to be desired, it's pretty much a fact that the players themselves suck.

Pollard being played in a cover who, or 3/4 doesn't take away from the fact that he is a terrible tackler, who lost contain all the time, and is slower than shit. Just because Mike Brown is slower doesn't make Pollard fast. It probably was a mistake cutting him for Brown, but the difference is VERY subtle.

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen (Post 6220919)
Bad being better than worse still doesn't equal good. Don't you think hiding Pollard in a defense with their front, and Ryans and Cushing makes him look better than he actually is?

Kawika Mitchell and Nap Harris led the Chiefs in tackles in consecutive years. Does that make them magically good? I didn't think so. We're crying over garbage players here, and while the defensive coaching leaves something to be desired, it's pretty much a fact that the players themselves suck.

Pollard being played in a cover who, or 3/4 doesn't take away from the fact that he is a terrible tackler, who lost contain all the time, and is slower than shit. Just because Mike Brown is slower doesn't make Pollard fast. It probably was a mistake cutting him for Brown, but the difference is VERY subtle.

You're right, better than bad does not equal good.

But it does equal better, and in this case, younger. I'd rather play a younger guy that at least has the chance to get better, than the old guy that everyone knew was done but us. (This conversation could apply to Goff as well)

Again, I'm not saying that Pollard is the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

He's not.

However, he's a clear upgrade over Brown, and I for one would have like to witnessed what he could do when utilized correctly.

Unfortunately, I have to watch Texans games to do so.

Easy 6 10-30-2009 07:58 PM

Pollard, through 4 games with a new team: 23tak 0sck 0force fumble

Brown, through the first 4 games with a new team: 27tak 1sck 0force fumble

Is Brown the same guy that played in Chicago? Outside of leadership ability, is he substantially better than Pollard?... obviously not.

Brown was kept, IMO, because of his experience, because he knows how to prepare like a former All-Pro & the coaches are hoping some of that will rub off on the young guys.

Go ahead & rip my last paragraph, i can see the openings... but the stat sheet says we didnt lose a goddamned thing, why is everyone acting like we just canned Ronnie Lott?

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 6220931)
Pollard, through 4 games with a new team: 23tak 0sck 0force fumble

Brown, through the first 4 games with a new team: 27tak 1sck 0force fumble

Is Brown the same guy that played in Chicago? Outside of leadership ability, is he substantially better than Pollard?... obviously not.

Brown was kept, IMO, because of his experience, because he knows how to prepare like a former All-Pro & the coaches are hoping some of that will rub off on the young guys.

Go ahead & rip my last paragraph, i can see the openings... but the stat sheet says we didnt lose a goddamned thing, why is everyone acting like we just canned Ronnie Lott?

Do you actually watch the games?

I'd say no, based on that post, because Brown makes many more mistakes per game than Pollard ever did, and Pollard was being mis-used.

Mr. Laz 10-30-2009 08:10 PM

I bet Bosschief masturbates with an SOS brillo pad too. Just to teach himself a lesson he'll never forget.

Tiger's Fan 10-30-2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220938)
Do you actually watch the games?

I'd say no, based on that post, because Brown makes many more mistakes per game than Pollard ever did, and Pollard was being mis-used.

Brown makes a ton of mistakes based mostly on ability at this point in his career. You've apparently forgotten all the 40yd + runs that Pollard was directly involved in last year, because I haven't. Pollard, at most, is slightly better, and as was stated, without ANY of the leadership qualities that an experienced player like Brown can bring in. (not that it's helped much) The fact of the matter is, Flowers is the only viable starting d-back on the team to take in to the future. A young Pollard is nobodies saviour.

OnTheWarpath15 10-30-2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen (Post 6220953)
Brown makes a ton of mistakes based mostly on ability at this point in his career. You've apparently forgotten all the 40yd + runs that Pollard was directly involved in last year, because I haven't. Pollard, at most, is slightly better, and as was stated, without ANY of the leadership qualities that an experienced player like Brown can bring in. (not that it's helped much) The fact of the matter is, Flowers is the only viable starting d-back on the team to take in to the future. A young Pollard is nobodies saviour.

Dear God, man. Did you go to the JASONSAUTO School of Reading Comprehension?

NO ONE is saying Pollard is the savior, or anything resembling that.

However, people are saying that it appears the organization made a mistake, as the person they brought in to replace him is worse than what we had - and it's become a trend if you look around the roster.

The point of rebuilding is to UPGRADE talent. Not get worse.

BossChief 10-30-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6220771)
Less of a fool than you were.

"MONSTER year for BP!"

ROFL

Foolish to say this statement wont come true.

One man goes to a talented defense and seems to be the catalyst to them lowering their rush defense BY A FULL TWO YARDS PER CARRY AND THATS NOT HAVING A GOOD YEAR??? If that doesnt, what does for you?

He isnt Ed Reed, never will be.

I repeat, the man led his team in tackles as a safety, that is saying that the problem wasnt him and that he was having to do to much. Is that wrong? No, it isnt. It means too many people got past the front seven and into the secondary.

I can see this is going nowhere, so Im gonna stop.

BossChief 10-30-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6220789)
Yeah, that's all it was...it had nothing to do with him missing five tackles in three quarters of one preseason game....

Has Mike Brown made five tackles all year?

What are his excuses?

Ill tell you one thing that is a guarantee, this front seven is much better than last years and Mike Brown has been far worse than Pollard was even as a sophmore two years ago.

BossChief 10-30-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220872)
Good post.

There is a quote floating around here from Pollard, talking about Gunther's departure, and how he was "held back" because he was asked to do things scheme wise that didn't play to his strengths - namely, playing in coverage.

Now, in just a short time, you can see that Pollard wasn't the problem - as Houston is playing him up in run support, and he's really given that bad run defense a huge boost. Hell, he's played less than half the season for them and he's 6th on the team in tackles.

in Gunthers defense, he ws forced to run the cover two and that doesnt ever have a obx safety, both safeties are responsible for the deep halves.

That is Herms FAIL and CPs FAIL...Gunther, not so much.

Gunther is acco0untable for lots of FAIL, but not this one.

Mecca 10-30-2009 09:42 PM

Hey who cares, Bernard Pollard is probably happy how this turned out.

Saccopoo 10-30-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220968)
Dear God, man. Did you go to the JASONSAUTO School of Reading Comprehension?

NO ONE is saying Pollard is the savior, or anything resembling that.

However, people are saying that it appears the organization made a mistake, as the person they brought in to replace him is worse than what we had - and it's become a trend if you look around the roster.

The point of rebuilding is to UPGRADE talent. Not get worse.

If the organization made a mistake, then 90% of the people around here made the same one when it comes to Pollard.

And the fact of the matter is, he had a horrible pre-season. Horrible. It got progressively worse. At that point, what do you do?

The fact is, Houston's defense is a lot better than the Chiefs at basically every position. And they are operating a 4-3, coached by the guy who was his coach here last season in a system that Pollard is familiar with and is better suited to play. Of course he's going to look better down there than he did up here.

The fact that our ILB/MLB play has been so abysmal means that our safeties are being required to do a heck of a lot more than they should. As well as our #3 cornerback situation is atrocious. Our safeties are being forced to play way beyond what they should be in the course of a game, and they are getting exposed more because of it.

Everybody wants Mays or Berry next year, but I'll tell you this, if the Chiefs don't get better at ILB and at CB, either one of those guys are going to look worse than what you're seeing from McGraw and Brown.

Skip Towne 10-30-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6221076)
Foolish to say this statement wont come true.

One man goes to a talented defense and seems to be the catalyst to them lowering their rush defense BY A FULL TWO YARDS PER CARRY AND THATS NOT HAVING A GOOD YEAR??? If that doesnt, what does for you?

He isnt Ed Reed, never will be.

I repeat, the man led his team in tackles as a safety, that is saying that the problem wasnt him and that he was having to do to much. Is that wrong? No, it isnt. It means too many people got past the front seven and into the secondary.

I can see this is going nowhere, so Im gonna stop.

GoChiefs is a reverse bellwether. When he predicts something, go the other way. He has been wrong on Darling, MIke Brown, Pollard, Huard and LJ. He hasn't been right on anyone yet. Hangs around Athan too much.

Mr. Kotter 10-30-2009 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6220968)
Dear God, man. Did you go to the JASONSAUTO School of Reading Comprehension?

NO ONE is saying Pollard is the savior, or anything resembling that.

However, people are saying that it appears the organization made a mistake, as the person they brought in to replace him is worse than what we had - and it's become a trend if you look around the roster.

The point of rebuilding is to UPGRADE talent. Not get worse.

QFT....even if it ain't popular. :toast:

BossChief 10-30-2009 10:19 PM

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You are full of shit, as usual.

You were sucking Herms imaginary penis till the day he was fired, unless you'd care to lie about that too. You also thought that Thigpen should be the starter this year, and the Chiefs wouldn't be bringing in another QB, either through draft or FA. Now you suddenly think Pollard is a world beater, even though theres a ton of proof otherwise. You are football stupid. It may be time for you to stfu and watch and learn for a change.

You still here?

I can post a link to my "I was wrong" thread owning up to my fail on the subject that was after about five or six games last year if you so choose.

Yes, I did say at one point that we were a couple years away from competing and that we should just take our licks with Thigpen this year and spend the draft picks on fixing the oline and getting a young passrusher. This would set us up with one of two things: a top five pick again where we knew he wasnt gonna ever get better and we could select a qb whether it be McCoy, Bradford or whoever was the consensus best fit at the time, or two he ends up improving like he did in college and become a good game manager that is mobile, good enough that they would decide he was good enough to have earned the permanent starters role.

Part of me still thinks that would have had us further along right now because next year when we did select a qb with a high first rounder, the line would be in place to protect him when he was ready the following year.

Not a perfect strategy, but Im sure you prefer trading for a 27 year old with 15 games worth of experience since high school that in a qb friendly system couldnt get half the stats as Tom Brady did the following the year and made it by with the surrounding talent. You realize that by the time we have a team assembled, he will be approaching 30 right? Bradford or Mccoy would be like 25 or 26. That make sense to you?

I had alot of angles I suggested for the draft. This wasnt the only one. It may have not been the worst one either.

I still dont think this team was quite ready to have a qb that would play immediatly, that should be plainly obvious for all to see by now, I was right on that and wasnt alone.

This team is at least two years away from being taken serious and I was disapointed when we traded for a already 27 year old QB with very little experience and decieving production.

If Cassel didnt have Moss and Welker to throw to, he would have looked as lost a he does so far this year.

now listen closely to this

CASSEL GOT 63,000,000 FOR NOT WREKING THE FERRARI, MAINLY BECAUSE HE NEVER EVEN SHIFTED IT INTO SIXTH GEAR BECAUSE HE WAS SCARED TO.

Now moving on to Pollard, anyone here or over at the coalition can tell you Pollard was my boy since his first year when he helped us into the playoffs by blocking that punt and recovering it for a TD against the Jags.

THE GUY IS IN MY ****ING SIG OVER THERE.

Here it is to show so it can kill that right now you lying/exagerating ****!


the cars miss you and want you to come and play....

BossChief 10-30-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster Hymen (Post 6220919)
It probably was a mistake cutting him for Brown, but the difference is VERY subtle.

if you think this is true, you should get your player card suspended.

night and day difference. You do watch the games, dont you?

Pollard was good against the run and struggled at times against the pass, playing Brown is like making us play with 10 players on defense at all times.

that doesnt mean Pollard is ever gonna be a all pro, but he could be a solid starter when the rest of the team isnt completely terrible.

He is proving that to be true right now, evidently. He looks like the next Chiefs defender that goes on to a very successful career elsewhere while our defense continues to suck.

BossChief 10-30-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 6220931)
Pollard, through 4 games with a new team: 23tak 0sck 0force fumble

Brown, through the first 4 games with a new team: 27tak 1sck 0force fumble

Is Brown the same guy that played in Chicago? Outside of leadership ability, is he substantially better than Pollard?... obviously not.

Brown was kept, IMO, because of his experience, because he knows how to prepare like a former All-Pro & the coaches are hoping some of that will rub off on the young guys.

Go ahead & rip my last paragraph, i can see the openings... but the stat sheet says we didnt lose a goddamned thing, why is everyone acting like we just canned Ronnie Lott?

Pleae dont take this the wrong way:

please dont post tackle stats while trying to prove a point to knowledgeable fans again, it is counterproductive to you arguement most of the time. His sack was a delayed and unblocked blitz.

Reason: Tackles are kept by the team and every team marrks them differently and they are the biggest falsified stat in the game, a truly imaginary number alot of the time.

They are so unreliable that "tackles are a accurate stat" was one of the top ten NFL myths on their NFLN myths show.

I am anxious to see if "the great Morgan" will ever hit the field.

BossChief 10-30-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6220952)
I bet Bosschief masturbates with an SOS brillo pad too. Just to teach himself a lesson he'll never forget.

Im not sure if I should laugh or cry...

Easy 6 10-30-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6221222)
please dont post tackle stats while trying to prove a point to knowledgeable fans again, it is counterproductive to you arguement most of the time. His sack was a delayed and unblocked blitz.

Reason: Tackles are kept by the team and every team marrks them differently and they are the biggest falsified stat in the game, a truly imaginary number alot of the time.

They are so unreliable that "tackles are a accurate stat" was one of the top ten NFL myths on their NFL myths show.

I am anxious to see if "the great Morgan" will ever hit the field.

Ah, i forgot that all stats are meaningless unless provided by someone other than thyself.

What i find to be 'counterproductive', for me atleast, is putting this much fervent energy into carping about a guy in Texas.

He's gone, i'm moving on... carry on.

BossChief 10-30-2009 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 6221232)
Ah, i forgot that all stats are meaningless unless provided by someone other than thyself.

What i find to be 'counterproductive', for me atleast, is putting this much fervent energy into carping about a guy in Texas.

He's gone, i'm moving on... carry on.

I tried to warn you, believe me I wsa taught that as well and used to love using them.

Example: Glen Dorsey was larrgly ineffective last year but if you look at his tackles he looks like he was well on his way to the hof.

I wont say this about any other stat.

Ask around to the smarter fans of the board and they will reassure you that defensive tackle stats are completely worthless.

just sayin

Easy 6 10-30-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6221248)
I tried to warn you, believe me I wsa taught that as well and used to love using them.

Example: Glen Dorsey was larrgly ineffective last year but if you look at his tackles he looks like he was well on his way to the hof.

I wont say this about any other stat.

Ask around to the smarter fans of the board and they will reassure you that defensive tackle stats are completely worthless.

just sayin

Numbers count for something, or they wouldnt keep track.

Bernard Pollard is working Miracles in Houston, he alone is responsible for a 2 yard turnaround? Their D as a whole wasnt also rounding into mid-season form when he arrived?

At this point, i'll keep my own counsel as to what numbers may or may not mean.

BossChief 10-30-2009 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 6221274)
Numbers count for something, or they wouldnt keep track.

Bernard Pollard is working Miracles in Houston, he alone is responsible for a 2 yard turnaround? Their D as a whole wasnt also rounding into mid-season form when he arrived?

At this point, i'll keep my own counsel as to what numbers may or may not mean.

I have felt for years now that the NFL should keep the stat.

That way, teams could add incentives for number of tackles into contracts. That would force defenders to learn how to tackle properly to stay in the league and flourish.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-31-2009 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6221294)
I have felt for years now that the NFL should keep the stat.

That way, teams could add incentives for number of tackles into contracts. That would force defenders to learn how to tackle properly to stay in the league and flourish.

See now that's not a bad idea.

Hammock Parties 10-31-2009 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 6221111)
GoChiefs is a reverse bellwether. When he predicts something, go the other way. He has been wrong on Darling, MIke Brown, Pollard, Huard and LJ. He hasn't been right on anyone yet. Hangs around Athan too much.

I didn't predict anything in regards to Pollard. I'm not sure how I was "wrong" about Pollard. All I did was point out how awful he was.

And I was right about Huard and LJ. I jumped onto their bandwagons BEFORE they produced. NO ONE thought Huard was going to amount to shit when he went in, but the very WEEK he replaced Green I was on here expecting him to play well, and he did.

BossChief 10-31-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6221299)
See now that's not a bad idea.

sanka

Mecca 10-31-2009 01:06 AM

I'll be the first to say I'm not a fan of Bernard Pollard and I wouldn't want him on my defense but that has a lot to do with personal preference and what types of secondary players I like.

In todays league I much prefer speed and range over hitting ability, if they have the ability to hit and support the run great but that's just a bonus.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-31-2009 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6221322)
I'll be the first to say I'm not a fan of Bernard Pollard and I wouldn't want him on my defense but that has a lot to do with personal preference and what types of secondary players I like.

In todays league I much prefer speed and range over hitting ability, if they have the ability to hit and support the run great but that's just a bonus.

So basically, you're a TP and not a BP. I can dig that. He's an amazing player who can cover a lot of ground very quickly, and a player who has excellent intuition against offenses.
I'd love to have a "Troy JR" on this team, but god DAMN that's a tall order.

Mecca 10-31-2009 01:18 AM

The league is pass happy, having a secondary with any players that aren't overly fast without great range is asking for it. If the player is extremely smart like a Brian Dawkins it's ok he doesn't get beat because he knows where to be.

Preferably you'd want a safety that can do both but that's asking a lot so in a pass happy league I will always go with the cover guy over the hitter.

Sweet Daddy Hate 10-31-2009 01:25 AM

Yep, it's almost like you have to have an extra Nickel or three Corners these days to really get it done, but what amazes me is how fast the overall dynamic of the Chiefs could change with a duo of legitimate pass-rushers like we had in in DT and NS back in the day.
As much as trends change in the league, you force a team to the ground; you can own their ass all day.

Mecca 10-31-2009 01:29 AM

Everyone likes to point to the lines to the main culprit as why the team is bad, that's part of it the other problem is...this team is slow.

If you are the slowest team on the field every week you're gonna have a hard time winning.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-31-2009 01:30 AM

Has Buster Hymen ever offered an opinion on anything football related other than seeing if he can suck the cum out of Pioli's dick like he's hitting a helium balloon?

Mecca 10-31-2009 01:32 AM

He really doesn't offer any takes other than "so and so sucks" "usual culprits" "defense if Pioli"

He doesn't even give reasons why he defends Pioli.

BossChief 10-31-2009 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6221334)
The league is pass happy, having a secondary with any players that aren't overly fast without great range is asking for it. If the player is extremely smart like a Brian Dawkins it's ok he doesn't get beat because he knows where to be.

Preferably you'd want a safety that can do both but that's asking a lot so in a pass happy league I will always go with the cover guy over the hitter.

wouldnt this almost be considered the dreaded "chasing a fad", or do you think the theme of teams throwing 70% of the time and spreading defenses out will continue?

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-31-2009 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6221351)
He really doesn't offer any takes other than "so and so sucks" "usual culprits" "defense if Pioli"

He doesn't even give reasons why he defends Pioli.

He's pretty much the worst kind of poster. A dipshit lemming who doesn't even know why he supports the status quo.

Mecca 10-31-2009 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6221352)
wouldnt this almost be considered the dreaded "chasing a fad", or do you think the theme of teams throwing 70% of the time and spreading defenses out will continue?

I don't think the passing trend is going away any time soon, and if it does we'll never seen teams that run it 70% of the time again more than a rare exception.

Personally I'd always tell you the fastest way to a good defense aside from pass rush is to have a very very fast defense with great range.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-31-2009 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6221352)
wouldnt this almost be considered the dreaded "chasing a fad", or do you think the theme of teams throwing 70% of the time and spreading defenses out will continue?

Meh. You spread the D's out, the D's have an easy option, just like they did in the Run 'N Shoot Days: Kill the Quarterback.

Defense will always be about pressuring the QB. If you can do that, you can do everything else.


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