He is the #1 LT prospect and you wanted to draft a LT.

Okung is/is going to be the highest rated LT in this draft.

He wouldn't even be among the top 3 or 4 in the last draft.

Which explains why there are so many teams with horrible O-lines

I LOVE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN! I ****N LOVE EM!:D

I remember the days when I would watch Roaf and Shields drive guys into the ground, I used to have a boner that would go past the ceiling.

Ahh...There not sexy picks, I'll admit..But I think I do love lineman though. They're the blue collared guys who make the difference. The lunch pail bucket guys who love to get dirty. How can one not love that? It's no coincedence why the offense was so effective in the past when we had Shields, Roaf, Tait, Waters, and Wiegmann. Guys who can actually block compared to the scrubs we have today. Guys who played with a mean streak and got nasty and kick the sh*t out of people. Yeeeeahhhh baby! That's what Im talking about and those are the type of players I want on this team.

And those guys won us exactly nothing, good thing to aspire to.

Peters just went down for the Eagles. Watch the Dallas D takeover this game. You win in the trenches and you have a chance. Yu can't win in the trenches you have no chance.

1st play LT does not lineup right and gets a penalty.
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Well, I think we need to start with trying for a winning record. If we can get good offensive linemen later in the draft, then so be it.

How deep into the draft do you go before you stop picking the BPA and get a few people you "need"?

If Albert still has potential to be a good Left Tackle, then you wasted a 5th round pick on a guard.

And I think less than a handful of Guards in history have been drafted in the top 20.

How about this. You draft the top Guard in the draft in the second round. You let Albert keep improving. And guess what, you got better at two positions, and you didn't waste your first round pick? Sounds like a plan to me.

But when you are this bad this is when you have a chance to draft the premier playmakers.

Those guys made average RBs and QBs look like pro bowlers, and had nothing to do with the shortcomings of their team.

Free agency is for need, draft isnt.

Like tyrone jackson or whoever the hell we took last year

Premier playmakers are worthless if you can't block the other guys. Lot's of playmakers come from middle and late round picks.
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Who will do what without a line to guard a QB who needs forever to throw a friggen pass? Playmakers can't make plays with our QB laying on his back.

If you're talking a mid- to late-first round pick, then I can understand having some "need" factored in. And I agree that you don't draft a BPA pick in the top 5 if he plays a position you're already set at (you don't draft Matt Stafford if your #1 QB is Matt Ryan).

But the top 5-10 is a spot where you can get a surefire playmaker. If you have a shot at a clearcut playmaker at a position where you're not set with franchise-calibre talent, you never pass up on that.

How about we get some playmakers and aspire to have a good line...I think I'd rather have Eric Berry and an offensive lineman in the 2nd or 3rd round than going with one with a top 10 pick.

Seeing as the playmaker I'm looking at plays safety I don't think the QB matters to him.

And why didnt the Chiefs win those years?

Again, not saying first round, but somewhere in the draft, we really need to pick up something. Fill in the rest with FA.

We got our damn FIRST ROUND ****ing Left tackle we dont need another one. Damn people get this in your damn ****ing little ****ing heads. We need guards and a right tackle, which you dont take in the ****ing top 5 were we will be picking.

Dude, you are KIDDING me.

It is a LOT harder to find a playmaker in later rounds than it is to find solid starters in later rounds. EXPONENTIALLY tougher.

Justin Blalock is probably one of the best Guards to enter the draft over the last few years. He's playing outstanding Guard over in Atlanta. Guess when he was picked? 2nd round, #39.

Why do people not see that you can pick up the best Guards and Centers with our three 2nd and 3rd round picks without blowing a pick in the top 5?

I'm probably going to sound like a dick when I say this but frankly, this team has 1 offensive player worth a damn.

I'm not passing on Eric Berry to protect Matt Cassel because frankly, I think Cassel is a bum.

You know Mecca, you talk a lot about draft value, I'm surprised you consider a safety to be worthy of a top 5 pick.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of too many top 5 safeties. Taylor maybe? and he didn't really live up to the pick.

Well it seems like the people who get paid to figure out the best people to draft clearly disagree with you. In the past 10 drafts there has been a OT taken in the first 5 picks in every draft except 2. 3 times 2 OT went in the top 5. Only 1 S has gone in the top 5 a the 5th pick. Only a few times has one gone in the top 15.

You must be smarter than the NFL draft experts.
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There's been a few, Eric Turner went 2nd.

Value matters to an extent but you make exceptions for rare players. Eric Berry looks like Ed Reed, Taylor Mays is a physical freak, you don't see guys like this often they are rare rare players.

And show me how many of the best teams in the league have a bunch of high draft picks on their offensive line...

My guess is Pioli trades Dorsey for a pick....hence 2 first rounders...if I were a betting man....Berry if he's there....Bryant if he's not...not sure what we'd pick with the other 1st rounder....

I think Bryant is a bit overrated.

A hell of lot more than have a top 5 safety.
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So, it seems we need to take the BPA with the first round pick. So the question becomes who do you think the best player available will be?

I think Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed are more valuable to their teams than any of their lineman....

...and which one of those guys was taken in the top 5 pick.
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Heh-heh.

They have made the position be worth that much if they are that good, is the entire point here.

When you think you see a guy who can be that you take him, even if it's top 5.

Probably this guy...

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not when you have the glaring needs the of Chiefs
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Other than Michael Huff, the top-five safeties have generally been solid. It's funny, though, that the best safeties in the past decade or so have been taken in the middle to mid-late first round: Reed, Polamalu, etc.

Their play has upped the value of the position.

These are the best players, there's no need to reach for a shitty OT, there are no rushbackers.

You take the elite safety.

Both Reed and Polamalu have great talent around them which is one of the reasons it makes them great players. What do the Ravens and Steelers have in common. Great LBs and a great pass rush...........two things the Chiefs do not have.
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Considering we have lost two games bc of our piss poor safety I say its a pretty glaring need.

In other years you'd be using those guys as examples as how we were reaching. Kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Not that I'm opposed to having a great safety. I'm just opposed to hypocrites.

And Safety is arguably the #1 glaring need. You need to watch how Mike Brown played today and all season.

I don't argue against guys who are playmakers...who else is there for us to pick?

These are our options, elite safety, OT who isn't worth the pick, there are no rushbackers, another defensive lineman?

Eric Berry is looking like the option.

Oh I agree Brown is horrible, we should have never got rid of Pollard. But, it does not justify take a safety with a top 5 pick. We have way to many needs above safety......Oline, LBs, RB, WR.
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You need to go study the value of next years draft to realize why those guys aren't worth the picks..

And you should never ever take a RB high that is the dime a dozen position.

Outstanding point.

When you can get pressure on the QB it frees up the safety to do whatever he want to.


If we had a free roaming safety, well it would be about the same as having Mike Brown back there.

It would help, but I wouldn't expect amazing things until the front 7 started playing well.

I never said to take a RB, but RB is a bigger need than safety imo.
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i think the chiefs need to focus on rebuilding the foundation of their football team. Get some offensive lineman and passrushers and you'll see how better they'll be. Im telling you. If you add a passrusher you'd be surprised how a position like that could mask other weaknesses on the team. If you have Olineman that could block you could open up the offense more, and do more on offense. Your offense is more flexible and less limited.

they have no foundation and its really bad. you know you can talk about safety play all you want and the best safety prospects, whatever, but if this is our foundation going into next season, were screwed i dont care who you throw back there at safety. Even if you throw Polamalu or Reed this team would still be screwed.

Watch a Ravens or Steelers game before spouting this shit off.

Seriously, watch the Pittsburgh game tomorrow. The Steelers looked very shaky on defense without him earlier this season. Surprise, surprise--he comes back and they look dominant again.

But seriously. Watch Polamalu. If you're too lazy, tivo the game and just watch defensive plays. The guy is all over the field. He's lined up as a corner. He's darting after the QB on lots of safety blitzes. He's blowing up screen passes. The Steelers can't do a lot of the same things on defense when he's not there. He's a clear difference maker. Anyone who says otherwise is a COMPLETE idiot.

Eh. He may be doing good in Houston, but he left a lot to be desired for us.

If you don't want a safety with the pick I wanna hear who we should be taking because frankly what's there for us other than the safety?

he is a 100 times better than Brown.
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The positions where we most need improvement:

1. Center
2. Strong safety (though maybe Morgan could step in)
3. Wide receiver
4. Outside linebacker
5. Right guard
6. Fullback
7. Left tackle (though maybe Albert can step up)
8. Inside linebacker

The positions where we most need a first-round investment:

1. Wide receiver
2. Outside linebacker
3. Left tackle (though maybe Albert can step up)
4. Inside linebacker
5. Center
6. Strong safety (though maybe Morgan could step in)

No TE in there anywhere?

I fully expect us to trade a 2nd round pick for a backup safety, eliminating all value of our Top 5 pick.

That's funny since this is a shitty year for WR's and rushbackers in the first round...and OT's.

So see rainman that list has to change you can't go reaching for need.

This team is not playing that badly on the defensive line. They're mostly holding their ground and giving RBs few lanes to run through.

The Chiefs are getting killed because they're giving up way too many big plays. And that's happening because our Safeties and LBs don't know their gap responsibilities and they take horrendous angles. In the San Diego game, Brown was responsible for almost all of Sproles' big runs. Watch Pittsburgh--you don't throw screens against them because Polamalu is running at the running back like a freight train 1-2 seconds before the QB even releases the ball.

And I disagree. Watch how many plays there are where our safety is 2-3 steps away from making the right play. Our safeties don't make plays. Plays come to them. Think of a single play this year where you saw the safety read the QB's eyes and break up a pass. Think of a single play wher eyou remember the safety getting after the QB on a safety blitz. Think of a single time this season when you remember the safety blowing up a screen play. Reed and Polamalu do those things all the time, 16 games a season.

You can build the foundation around solid players. But you need to have a few playmakers like Polamalu if you ever want to go places. And it's getting harder and harder and harder to find those guys in free agency these days.

Hello James Sanders...since Patrick Chung can step in and start with Merriweather..

If that really happens I won't be a fan of this team anymore.

Exactly my point!!!. They get to roam and freelance because they have a front seven who do their jobs. There whole defensive approach is for them to roam and make plays. The Chiefs are not even close to this kind of talent in the front 7, therefore you could put Polamalu or Reed in a Chief uniform and they would become slightly above average safties.

Football is a team sport and it all starts upfront.
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Sanders. Good call.

The better team to look at is the 90s Chiefs.

One of the top two or O-Lines in the league, a playmaker on D in DT, but not a single other playmaker on the offensive side of the ball, except in Montana's single playoff year with the Chiefs.

4th best record among teams in the 90s, yet bounced in the first round in the playofss, except again, in the Montana year.

They averaged about 11 points a game on those playoff games.

Why?

Not a single ****ing playmaker.

The Dick Chiefs did have a playmaker in Priest.

You don't get to pick the year the players happen to be available.

2 awesome safety prospects are in the draft this year, why would you pass on them to take a mediocre LB prospect?

Then how are we going to pick Jordan Shipley to be Wes Welker.

I disagree they make plays because they very very talented..... you add playmakers regardless of position... this upcoming year the best playmaking talent early in the first is at the safety position

But at least they made the playoffs because of that Oline......you win up front you have a chance, you lose up front and all the playmakers in the world is not going to help.
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Like last year with the QBs.

Oh. Yeah. I should've had TE in there. And HB.

My god. It would have been easier to make a list of positions we don't need.

"Atleast they made the playoffs"

The battle cry of a loser fan.

Look I'm a huge CJ Spiller fan but I'm not going to pimp him to be the Chiefs pick because it doesn't make sense.

As a clarification, my list had nothing to do with the talent of this year's draft class. I'm just talking about the Chiefs' needs.

Well I'm done trying beat a dead horse. History says no at a top 5 safety. Happened only once in the past ten years. I would bet big money the Chiefs don't take a safety in the top 5 pick either.
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but you need playmakers to win in the playoffs... the best lines in the world aren't going to win games on their own....... you have to have someone who can make the big play when the game is on the line....

That kind of rare safety is a different instance. Few safeties are so universally touted that they end up on the top 5-10 of nearly every mock draft board. I guarantee you Berry is one of those guys and nobody is going to second-guess any team that takes him early.

That's why our team is dumb and can't ever win anything.

There's no question that LT is a top 5 pick position......when the talent is there.

There isn't a LT in this draft worth a top 5.

There might be a team with the need to reach for a lesser talented Okung in this draft in the top 5, but he's not even close to the talent that the top LTs in the draft last year were.

The only way Berry doesn't go in the first 7 picks is if he's smaller than his list height of 5'10 that's the only way.

with the way the NFL is today, with the high emphasis on the passing game and the big play offenses... this year the NFL is on record pace for the most TD's on plays of 50 yds or more... so IMO the value of a playmaking safety has increased by leaps and bounds

I'm also really tired of fans who want a "hard working tough guy team" that has no playmakers or big name stars.

Get over it, you need playmakers to win you need superstars.

The real trick with all this is what happens if we pick 1. Or even 2.. or 3. I don't think a safety has ever been taken that high. Certainly very, very rare.