BS

and you're the one accusing others of exagerating.
Priceless.

The only thing we should be scared of, is whether these guys adjust and learn from the mistakes they've made.

That's the real test, especially for Haley. We knew they were going to make mistakes. And I think they've made more mistakes than even they expected. But... they will have the chance to be active and fix some of the mistakes they've made. I don't care about egos or signs or any of that crap. It's whether they show that they can learn from their mistakes, and we aren't going to find that out until the offseason.

Oh, and let's not forget perhaps the biggest head scratching decision of all, firing the offensive ****ing coordinator a week before the regular season started. Talk about throwing it away before it ever begins................

Is Whitlock taking the place of GoChiefs?

FYP. With his insider info and shit. Assclown.

Not calling you out, but I am curious who you guys see as OC candidates for next year?

When you make moves like Matt Cassel/Mike Vrabel etc etc you're saying you think you can win 6 or 7 games.

I dont know why Bowe is not getting looks. Probably has a lot to do with TG not being here. I cant blame that on Haley unless he is explicitly telling Cassel NOT to throw to Bowe:spock:

There were a lot of established Super Bowl caliber coaches out there. Even if they tried, it seems like Haley was an O coordinator for like a year, maybe 2. Jason Garrett was a big name floating around for a minute, who'd hire him now? Haley just wasn't established enough at offensive coordinator IMO.

He's got a Super Bowl MVP QB and 2 of the best runners in the game. Throw in Edgerrin James and unless your line is an abomination you're going to win some games. But they didn't. They got hot in the playoffs and became America's darlings.

I'm sure they couldn't get Crennel, and I'm sure they tried, but when you have a pool of 4 guys that just got fired that year for the position you need to fill, I'd think long and hard about it too.

I don't hate these guys, and I honestly think they'll succeed. But when? I don't see how it had to take as long as it's starting to look like it's going to take. Nobody expected this year, but in today's NFL 2-3 years should work regardless of what's on your roster today.

You know what I find odd?

Bowe seems to never be the first look until the Chiefs are in the no huddle where Cassel is making the call....ponder why that is.

**** the shut up

Cassel isn't forcing it to Bowe, and Gonzalez isn't here to open it up for Bowe anymore.

Maybe he should be because all they do now is go 3 and out because he just throws 2 yard passes to guys who are scrubs.

Weiss(check the Bad Guy Thread.

Panthers OC (if Fox gets fired) Jeff Davidson, an ex pat coach TE's i think.

Mo Carthon as OC/run game coord. w/ Haley still calling plays.
Same with Joel Collier who's title is Asst. GM but moved to qb coach when gailey got canned.

Just a few off the top of my head.

I think Haley could be a great HC. I also think he screwed up firing the OC and is in over his head now. I'll wait to see what the do in the offseason staffing wise to evaluate. If he puts his ego aside and hands the rains off and brings in the proper coaches to succeed I think everything will work out fine.

Collier has a defensive background I thought, shoot myself if its Carthon, I don't think Weis would be bad, and Davidson I don't know about.

I don't know who will be available. No clue.

But I know that I'd like to avoid more Hoodie disciples who have floundered away from the teat.

Why do I think Todd Haley will flip out if they try to take the playcalling from him...

Last year:
1. Lost to NE by 7. Close game.
2. Blown out by Raiders by 15.
3. Blown out by Falcons by 24.
WIN vs. Denver
5. Blown out by Carolina (34-0).
6. Blown out by Titans by 24.
7. Lost to Jets by 4. Close game.
8. Lost in OT to Tampa by 3. Close game.
9. Lost to SD by 1. Close game.
10. Lost to NO by 10.
11. Blown out by Bills by 23.
WIN vs. Oakland
13. Lost to Denver by 7.
14. Lost to SD by 1. Close game.
15. Lost to Miami by 7.
16. Lost to Cincy by 10.

2 wins, 5 close games. Through 8 games? 1 win, 3 close games.

This year:
1. Lost to Baltimore by 14.
2. Lost to Oakland by 3. Close game.
3. Blown out by Philly by 20.
4. Lost to Giants by 11.
5. Lost to Dallas by 6 in OT. Close game.
6. WIN vs. Washington.
7. Blown out by SD by 20.
8. Lost to Jacksonville by 3. Close game.

Through 8 games? 1 win, 3 close games.

They weren't that bad last year. They're not that bad this year.

Patience, Grasshopper.

Whitlock with a whole lot of heresay as usual.

We get it. You have an agenda. You don't like the way Haley and Pioli do things. However, your track record of backing players, and coaches, why is anyone putting any stock in your opinion?

It's amazing how some of you, who flame Whitlock's posts, are lining up to perform message board hummers on him because he posts on here.

Knowing you hate Pioli and Haley is almost enough for me to rally behind them.

Did Jeff George, Ty Law, or Chester McGlockton ever give you any kickbacks?

I think he'd flip out if they just told him that it's not an option, but I think he's already decided he doesn't want to do it next year. It's just too much work for a guy that is just learning the job.

I really think Haley will be a good coach. I think he's learning, and I've expected all of this. I hated this hire when it went down, but I do like some of the tactics he's taking.

I know I'm in the minority on this but I love the fact that he's cussing guys out. ****ing perform. And if you can't, get the **** out. When he has guys that will perform, he'll stop yelling and cussing.

JD is being nice the Giants game was a blowout...and the Ravens one was a borderline blowout.

He makes horrendous gameday decisions...worse than Herm decisions.

Jacksonville really wasn't close. They got hot in the last 3 minutes of a game against a team that had stopped playing. Cassell hit a lucky ass throw compared to what he'd done the rest of the day to Chris Chambers and then Succoup aimed for the pork chop on the Charlie Brown special onside kick. They looked like dog shit all day long.

I love the Chiefs. I care about the games every Sunday regardless of their record. I've been optimistic about them and I will continue to be. But let's face it, the fun in watching a rebuild is seeing the weekly progress on the field. Where's it at?

I don't think they are worse than Herms at all. Especially the Pre-Thigpen/Gailey/Gimmick Herm.

He clearly doesn't know what to do in this situation. First time head coach for a terrible football team and he started calling plays a week before the regular season started. He's in way over his head. I will flip the **** out if he tries this shit again next year.

Oh yes they are, he's made a ton of boneheaded 4th down calls.

Saying that Todd Haley makes worse decisions than Herm is just downright ****ing laughable.

You are essentially comparing a coach who had 6 years of experience as a HC compared to a guy in his 8th game.

I don't think a 12 year old playing Madden would do some of the shit I've seen Haley do...

Dude, two days ago you were all like "I'm leaving the Chiefs if they play LJ".
Granted things went your way, but you've expressed multiple disappointments in these guys as well.

And I'm curious; what exactly IS "the agenda"? To brow beat the regime until they grant him access? I don't think that will work, and I don't think HE thinks it will work either.

I think he'd flip out of the soda machine gave him lemon-lime instead of grape.

And that right there is why Haley isn't as bad as Herm. Haley is also more in over his head than Herm ever was IMO. Haley is making some oddball calls at times, but Herm..............

LMAO How funny is it that Herm is a typo in firefox when spelled correctly.

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Collier has a background on both O and D. He coached DB's in NE. LB and RB in Miami and was promoted to OC by Wannstedt but had an illness that offseason they didn't explain further just promoted the TE coach(i think) instead.

In a situation other than a Weiss type hire, it's still gonna be Haley's offense IMO. That's why he may give the tital too but not completely turn the rains over if he does promote within or get someone inexperinced as a play caller.

More important is DC imo. Crennel would be ideal.

Now you are just being stupid. None of us are happy about this team, but you take bitching to an all-time high.

Here, end it all! No, wait that rope is new, you would still bitch...:rolleyes:

Really you don't think he makes bad decisions?

Who kicks a fg then does an onside kick in the middle of a game? Why are you going for it on 4th down down by a score or tied in the 1st half?

wow - you did it. You wrote something even more moronic than your columns.:clap:

If the players execute those plays, its a completely differently story. I dont question those decisions, but I do question some playcalling.

There's a difference in being aggressive and being reeruned.

What exactly is moronic about that post?

Fixed

Jacksonville's defense is bad... The likes of Seattle and Tennessee had no trouble moving the ball/scoring points on them this season.

Despite having 2 weeks to prepare, Todd Haley, who was hired because of what he has accomplished as an offensive coordinator, has no answers for the offense.

Hiring Haley has turned out to be a mistake. he's taken what playmakers we had and rendered them useless.

This is a fun thread. Who knew Whitlock was so lazy?

Oh, wait...

I think he was hired because of his coaching style and the coaching tree he comes from and the philosophies he shares with Pioli... Parcells offered him the Miami job the year before the Cards went to the SB..

This team struggles to score points against everybody. You could have given this team 5 weeks off and they'd still score 6 points.

Bowe wouldn't have been the same player at all the last two years without someone like Gonzo lining up with him..

Actually the laziest thing isn't that Whitlock isn't willing to write tonight. It's that he keeps harping about this eight games thing when we haven't heard about a shred of proof behind it, and certainly nothing he has offered up has come close.

But it keeps appearing in his columns, and now on here, like it came right out of Haley's mouth.

Did they spring a surprise 4/3 on the Chiefs' today?

I'd assume (dangerous) that he's alluding to what he's heard from sources whom he's not willing to "out."

I'd imagine this is the type of assertion that an editor would ask about, and, if the ducks line up, would be comfortable running with, given the proper info. behind the scenes.

And how the **** is someone supposed to write a column without attending the event?

How could I be satisfied with this team? However, I'm willing to give these guys a chance to fix the wrongs instead of selling them up the river like Whitlock and 60% of this board.

I'm pretty sure that was just his interpretation of their actions this offseason. I don't remember him mentioning any sources.

"The Chiefs signed a bunch of veterans! They must think they can win eight games!"

I think some of his decisions are questionable and impulsive.

However, it's his 8th game.

If he does this shit next year at this time, flame away.

The way the Ravens are playing, Cam Cameron might be available. He would be my top Offensive Coordinator, who could be available.

Ok that's fine, I always figured anyone with any kind of coaching experience at all should realize you don't make spur of the moment impulsive decisions.

Well, "22 guys off the street" says quite a bit on its own.

And I don't want to hear about, "We don't know if that was really said."

It happened. Get over it.

You think Cam Cameron is going to get fired?

:shake:

I don't believe for one minute they thought, like Herm, that this team was competitive.

eh...Rome wasnt built in a day. Im willing to give Pioli more time. Im disappointed in the teams improvement, but I think much of that has to do with the OL's problems.

:spock: Isn't that what coaching during a game is all about. Its not like you know whats going to happen before it happens. Explain yourself here cuz you lost me...

You should take your own advice and get the **** over it.... the 22 guys off the street thing is overplayed and boring at this point :shake:

They'll win 3 games this year... :evil:

No it's not, being a head coach during a game is about managing the game. You make smart decisions not impulsive ones.

he could make all the right choices and you and a few others would find something else to bitch about... but I guess thats what message boards are for

It's a completely valid point in the context of the conversation I was having with GoChiefs. He asked for proof, and that's a pretty damning piece.

And if you're tired of that line, well, I'm not sure what to say because it will follow Haley throughout his tenure as coach.

Just like Carl's 5-year plan and Trey Edwards' "fundamentals."

I disagree...there where a lot of times in those post game press conferences Haley looked shocked and bewildered. Talking about how he felt his team did what was needed the week leading up in practice to win that game on Sunday...week...after...week...

:spock: Impulsive decisions can be either smart or stupid and are usually based on the situation due to emotion.

Against?

Where are the other 2 on the schedule? Cleveland at home and who else? Oak?

Dude, we lost by 3. If we make that FG, that we went for, the game would have been tied, but by all means, bash away.

I think they could definitely win those two games.

I bet you didn't think they would hold MJD under 100 yards today...

Progress.

I agree..... I would think they would have a chance against Buffalo as well

T. Jackson led the team w/7 tackles.

I 100% agree with this post.

Offenses and QBs thrive on rhythm. You have to allow for that to happen. People have been frustrated with our QB because there have been times throws don't go well when he is allowed time in the pocket but you have to consistently give a guy a chance to succeed. Obviously these are numbers just to make a point but our fans seem to think if on 10 pass plays our QB is given a good chance to throw to an open receiver on 1 of them and he doesn't they go ape shit. Seems fair on the surface but in my mind those 9 times where he wasn't put in a position to succeed greatly reduce the odds of success on that play where he gets a chance.

The windows of success are so few and far in between that there is no chance for rhythm...

97 yards and a touch, with about 37 yards of receiving? Yeah, we were on lock. Sadly, though, this is progress.

But I bet you didn't expect Sims-Walker to go for 147 and a TD.

I expected both of these things.

Teams don't beat us with the run, they beat us with the pass.

Dude, they beat our defense any way they want.

yeah especially with Grandpa Brown patrolling the field :cuss:

MJD really wasn't that great today...he had 30 friggin' carries...

we lost because of the pass and the inability to make stops on 3rd down

and the fact that we just flat out suck offensively...

oh wait it's 3rd and 19 again

The Jags had the ball for 40 minutes.

I'm pretty shocked MJD averaged less than 4 YPC and didn't hit 100 yards.

They did a great job against the run other than one play in the first quarter.

I agree that MJD didn't embarrass us, but he still was pretty damn effective, frequently moving the pile up the middle.

Both rushing TDs were ****ing embarrassments.