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chiefzilla1501 12-20-2009 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6365744)
All season long? When did Chambers join the team? Week 7?

And how many games did we see more targets going to ****ing scrubs like Wade and Long?

All players need to earn their jobs, I agree. But some are more secure than others (or should be): Flowers, Albert, Bowe, etc.

These guys can play.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Bowe has proven this season that he's nothing more than a decent #2 receiver and he's clearly not a #1 option. And Chambers exposes that every day of the week.

If we're talking accountability, we shouldn't ignore that Chambers has done a shit ton more than Bowe at the #1 WR position than Bowe has. And we shouldn't ignore that Bowe has been horribly inconsistent this season, as well as his entire career.

I don't know how Bowe is somehow getting a free pass simply because he's talented, and yet ****s up game after game after game.

Bowe may have #1 talent. But it comes way too inconsistently. If he truly is a #1 receiver, he better wake the **** up and prove it.

milkman 12-20-2009 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6365738)
When I was younger one of my favorite Chiefs players was Dale Carter yet this entire fan base hated that guy, he didn't do anything but go to pro bowls and play well yet he was hated.

That's our fan base.
That's bullshit mecca.

No one hated Carter until he stated to act like an idiot off the field and let his play slip on the field as a result.

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 09:12 PM
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I dont' know. All I know is that Bowe should be absolutely, positively embarrassed about his play today.
Yes. But you don't cut him. (And I know you weren't serious). Bowe's an enigma for certain. Maybe next year he becomes the consistent player we are all waiting to see. If he doesn't go home and balloon up on gumbo.

SAUTO 12-20-2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6365686)
I said he played his best game.

But he was still very inconsistent, drops or not.

And his decision making was just as bad today as it's ever been.

Re: O'Connell.

Yes, Jake should have caught that ball.

Then again, a good QB would never have thrown the ball. He had 15 yards of open field in front of him. Why risk a throw there, run, slide, extend the drive.

Quinn made the right decision on a somewhat similar 3rd down play. He was going to pitch the ball to Cribbs on his left hip, but realized he had room to run, and he picked up 10+ yards and a 1st down. Smart play.
r u talking about the last drive? looked to me like a broken play there
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chiefzilla1501 12-20-2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6365762)
Yes. But you don't cut him. (And I know you weren't serious). Bowe's an enigma for certain. Maybe next year he becomes the consistent player we are all waiting to see. If he doesn't go home and balloon up on gumbo.
Thank you for reading it for what it is.

All I'm saying is we're building a team that we hope will be a deep playoff contender 3 years from now.

And people are acting like it's not a big deal if one of the key pieces to building that team has stone hands and is horribly unreliably in important stretches of the game.

The last thing I want is to engineer a game-winning drive in 2012 and an easy-to-catch touchdown pass is thrown to Bowe and it bounces off his helmet because he loses his focus.

DeezNutz 12-20-2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6365760)
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Bowe has proven this season that he's nothing more than a decent #2 receiver and he's clearly not a #1 option. And Chambers exposes that every day of the week.

If we're talking accountability, we shouldn't ignore that Chambers has done a shit ton more than Bowe at the #1 WR position than Bowe has. And we shouldn't ignore that Bowe has been horribly inconsistent this season, as well as his entire career.

I don't know how Bowe is somehow getting a free pass simply because he's talented, and yet ****s up game after game after game.

Bowe may have #1 talent. But it comes way too inconsistently. If he truly is a #1 receiver, he better wake the **** up and prove it.
Free pass? No. His play must improve.

But we're looking at a complete cluster****, and you're hyperfocusing on something that's way down on the list of enormous problems.

Our ****ing car is on fire, and you're taking time to bitch about a ding on the driver side door.

That said, if we can upgrade the position, by all means, we should.

OnTheWarpath15 12-20-2009 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6365769)
Free pass? No. His play must improve.

But we're looking at a complete cluster****, and you're hyperfocusing on something that's way down on the list of enormous problems.

Our ****ing car is on fire, and you're taking time to bitch about a ding on the driver side door.

That said, if we can upgrade the position, by all means, we should.
And considering this team is light years away from games that matter in January, I'd say he has some time - and deserves time as one of two young offensive playmakers - to get his shit together.

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6365738)
When I was younger one of my favorite Chiefs players was Dale Carter yet this entire fan base hated that guy, he didn't do anything but go to pro bowls and play well yet he was hated.

That's our fan base.
Before I post the answer, perhaps you can posit for us, why "the fan base" hated Dale Carter?

I'll wait.

chiefzilla1501 12-20-2009 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6365778)
And considering this team is light years away from games that matter in January, I'd say he has some time - and deserves time as one of two young offensive playmakers - to get his shit together.
Bowe is in his third season. Like Cassel, the excuses are over. Because he's approaching a contract year and if he's negotiating a new contract, how does that make him look when Chris Chambers comes in and makes Dwayne Bowe look like Reche Caldwell?

Brock 12-20-2009 09:21 PM
And why is it that the fan base hated Dale Carter, yet loved James Hasty? Was it because Hasty was 5x better than Carter? Yes, I think so.

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6365761)
That's bullshit mecca.

No one hated Carter until he stated to act like an idiot off the field and let his play slip on the field as a result.
Oh, somebody got this before me. Good. I was about to fit Mecca for his most recent crown of thorns.

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6365799)
And why is it that the fan base hated Dale Carter, yet loved James Hasty? Was it because Hasty was 5x better than Carter? Yes, I think so.
No, it was because "the fan base" hated black players like Dale Carter and loved James Hasty. Wait...

SAUTO 12-20-2009 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6365799)
And why is it that the fan base hated Dale Carter, yet loved James Hasty? Was it because Hasty was 5x better than Carter? Yes, I think so.
i absolutely loved them both, off field issues or not. and mecca why did the town LOVE DT?? THAT KINDA ****S UP YOUR THEORY HUH? most knew exactly how dt was, didnt matter though
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WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 09:26 PM
C'mon, Mr. False Narrative. Get your ass in here.

DeezNutz 12-20-2009 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6365821)
C'mon, Mr. False Narrative. Get your ass in here.
What the **** do you want? I'm busy, so make it quick.

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6365826)
What the **** do you want? I'm busy, so make it quick.
Another three by Pullen!!!

chiefzilla1501 12-20-2009 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6365826)
What the **** do you want? I'm busy, so make it quick.
I get this a lot.

DeezNutz 12-20-2009 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6365841)
Another three by Pullen!!!
I left my room for this?

http://www.sportsfanbedding.com/Spor...e_Wildcats.jpg

Coach 12-20-2009 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6365800)
Oh, somebody got this before me. Good. I was about to fit Mecca for his most recent crown of thorns.
Crown his ass already.

TinyEvel 12-20-2009 09:48 PM
Anyone having anything to do with Defenseive management on this team (save for the CB's who, I am guessing, are working on natural instinct and ability) should be cockpunched into an AIDS tree with antifreeze-soaked nuthooks.

Mecca 12-20-2009 09:48 PM
Easy answer because Dale Carter had a different personality..DT was an easily likable person, Hasty never said much of anything....Carter carried himself in a much different fashion. Carter carried himself like he was Deion.

milkman 12-20-2009 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6365886)
Easy answer because Dale Carter had a different personality..DT was an easily likable person, Hasty never said much of anything....Carter carried himself in a much different fashion. Carter carried himself like he was Deion.
When you talk the tlalk, you damn well better walk the walk.

No one disliked Carter until he stoped walking, and you are full of shit.

Mecca 12-20-2009 09:58 PM
And that's not saying that I didn't like the other players either.

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 10:06 PM
Okay since "Fan Base Travis" (The anti First Down Elvis) won't answer, I'll let him know why "the fan base" came to dislike his "favorite player". Mecca at the time was still sucking high fructose corn syrup drinks from a nipple when Dale Carter got his first DUI in 1993. Following that, Carter was involved in a Westport shooting. The gun belonged to him and he shot 5 times into a nightclub in Westport.

A year later, he was drunk and got arrested for assault in fight in another bar. The guy had serious alcohol issues and was at times a danger to the public. 180 day sentence. Suspended. Two years probation. I could tell you other stories too.

But he was also a cutthroat on the field. Obviously, you don't recall the play he made on Lionel Washington where, on a play where Carter was playing WR (Marty experimented with that) he came down the LOS and chopped (and by chopped, I mean helmet to the outside of the knee) Lionel Washington and blew out his knee. After the play over. Carter then stood over Washington and taunted him.

But it was really because he was black.

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6365886)
Easy answer because Dale Carter had a different personality..DT was an easily likable person, Hasty never said much of anything....Carter carried himself in a much different fashion. Carter carried himself like he was Deion.
LMAO

WilliamTheIrish 12-20-2009 10:29 PM
I'd also like to point out that Mark Schlereth claims that the Rat lost the respect of those championship Donk teams the day they signed Dale Carter.

DaneMcCloud 12-20-2009 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6365712)
I don't agree.
What a shocker

chiefzilla1501 12-20-2009 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6366194)
What a shocker
And what a shocker, you still haven't admitted you were wrong on the NT vs. 5-tech salaries.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...206614&page=56

DeezNutz 12-21-2009 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 6366027)
I'd also like to point out that Mark Schlereth claims that the Rat lost the respect of those championship Donk teams the day they signed Dale Carter.
That same Mark Schlereth who now looks like he weighs 225, even though he was an o-lineman?

I bet that dude knows a lot about integrity...:(

Sure-Oz 12-21-2009 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6366230)
That same Mark Schlereth who now looks like he weighs 225, even though he was an o-lineman?

I bet that dude knows a lot about integrity...:(
Nutrisystem ftwwwwwww

DeezNutz 12-21-2009 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 6366281)
Nutrisystem ftwwwwwww
I tried to respond to this earlier, but you obviously greased your post, and my key strokes slipped right off.

Sure-Oz 12-21-2009 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6366284)
I tried to respond to this earlier, but you obviously greased your post, and my key strokes slipped right off.
ROFL

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2009 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6366211)
And what a shocker, you still haven't admitted you were wrong on the NT vs. 5-tech salaries.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...206614&page=56
Weak.

I love how you have to research salaries and positions to prove me "wrong".

Furthermore, Castillo was drafted as a DT in a 4-3. He was later moved, like Dorsey, to end in the 3-4.

Back to the original point, if Pioli and Haley went 0-14 this year, you'd be defending them until the bitter end.

chiefzilla1501 12-21-2009 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6366331)
Weak.

I love how you have to research salaries and positions to prove me "wrong".
ROFL
These were your exact words:
"You JUST said that NT's get paid as much as 3-4 defensive ends. PROVE IT or SHUT THE **** UP."
I proved it. And now you're giving me shit for answering your question? So let me get this straight... you are only allowed to post facts if they conveniently support your position? Goddamn... how dare I use research to post facts that don't prove your point.

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Furthermore, Castillo was drafted as a DT in a 4-3. He was later moved, like Dorsey, to end in the 3-4.
What the **** does it matter? When Castillo was given his $43M contract, he was paid $43M to play 5-technique 3-4 Defensive End. San Diego paid him $43M to be a 5-technique. PERIOD. You're clearly sidestepping here. This isn't about draft value. This is about contract value.

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Back to the original point, if Pioli and Haley went 0-14 this year, you'd be defending them until the bitter end.
And here's where you backtrack.

Still haven't once heard you say "I was wrong." It's pretty easy to be loud about your positions if you refuse to admit you're wrong when you're wrong.

chiefzilla1501 12-21-2009 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6366331)
Back to the original point, if Pioli and Haley went 0-14 this year, you'd be defending them until the bitter end.
I'll handle this in a separate post.

I've criticized Pioli for not making o-line a priority in 2009. I have said many times that I think Pioli did a shitty job in 2009, but that I am giving him a chance to prove he can do better with a different staff in 2010. I have criticized Haley for playing musical chairs with receivers and all the personnel. I ripped Haley a new asshole for refusing to hire a QBs coach and have generally ripped him most of the season for not having an offensive coordinator. And while I generally took a "wait and see" approach with Cassel, I admitted that I made too many excuses for Cassel and have said that the Cassel trade appears to be a **** up.

Don't tell me that I'm some kind of an apologist. I tend to have better things to say, but I have on many, many occasions been critical of this front office and coaching staff.

Red Dawg 12-21-2009 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6365363)
So, I decide late last night - after receiving a text from KC Fish - to go ahead and make the trip after all. Alarm goes off at 4:30 and I'm gassed up and on the road by 5, Red Bull in the cupholder. By the time I reach Columbia at 6:30, I'm hitting the wall, and questioning my judgment. I can't help to think, "what kind of dumbass drives 4 hours each way to see a 3-10 football team play a 2-11 football team?"

Early on, I'm thinking I made the worst decision of anyone in the stadium, until I see a lady in the front row of the LL with a sign that read, "Drove from Arizona to see the Chiefs." Thanks, Lady. YOU'RE the biggest dumbass here.

On to the game. Let's start with the obvious...

Todd Haley is a dumbass.

Game management was piss-poor once again. The 2:00 drive at the end of the first half was unintentional comedy. No sense of urgency, and then a ****ING PUNT on 4th down on Cleveland's side of the field? Really?

Oh, and Todd...Cleveland's best player is this guy named Josh Cribbs. You could say he's a pretty ****ing incredible kick returner. I guess you had no idea, because you kicked to him. And he burned you. So what the **** do you do?

Kick to him AGAIN. Brilliant. Dude ends up with over 300 all-purpose yards because you're either a dumbass, stubborn as ****, or both. Thanks.

Today was Record-Breaking day at Arrowhead. Cribbs sets the new single season return TD mark. James Harrison sets a Cleveland franchise rushing record. And in the process, puts his name in the NFL record book for 3rd most rushing yards in a game.

w00t, defense.

And here we go.....Matt Cassel.

Yes, statistically, he had his best game as a Chief. But it was just as inconsistent as any other. Best deep ball he's thrown all year to Chambers to set up the first TD. Followed by more throws behind, high and behind, low, etc. Christ, he tried to dump a pass off to Charles while Charles was blocking a blitzer. Decision making still leaving a LOT to be desired. Several throws into double and triple coverage today. A true WTF moment with the dropped INT - another when he decided to throw to O'Connell on 3rd and 2 when he could have run for 15 yards and the first down - and what was he thinking on the last play of the game? Damn, Matt, you're only 30 yards away - you don't have to wind up like you're chucking a hail mary. Keep it in the yard, FFS, and let someone at least have a chance to make a play.

And I would hope that someone would have mentioned it by now, but he's throwing against a defense that is starting Mike ****ing Furrey - a WR - as a DB.

The OL played it's best game of the year, IMHO.

Interesting, considering we had 3 new starters. Barry Richardson played an exceptional game, as did Smith and Albert. Rudy and Alleman were even serviceable - against a team that sacked Ben Roethlisberger EIGHT times last week.

Good for Jamaal Charles. Granted, dude needed a verbal slur-fest from LJ to see the field, but he's making the most of his opportunity.

Looking forward to replaying it tomorrow, but I'm curious to see what others thought, considering no one in KC saw it unless they were there.
U R A DUMBASS! Cassel is the only reason KC was in the game. He played great with a dogshit WR corp. 9 drops and you are bitching about Matt? Remove your head from your ass.

Rasputin 12-21-2009 09:42 AM
That was Matts best game so far this year (against the Browns) He made good plays but he allso made some terrable plays. The throw that Chambers cought on the side line that he had to push off the defender should have been picked off. The throw to Charles while he was blocking wtf. And the the throw to the LB that dropped the INT.

Yes the dropps of our WRs are killing us. :cuss: D BOWE dropped one in the endzone for a TD in the first quarter! We have not had a TD in the first quarter all season from our offense GOT DAMN how the F*** is it so hard to score a TD in the first quarter for the intire season 14 games with two more games to do this WTF that is on Cassel and Haley! I don't expect a TD drive every time but cmon 14 games with out an offensive TD in the first quarter :doh!:

Fish 12-21-2009 09:44 AM
Now I feel bad for talking you into the drive.... :D

OnTheWarpath15 12-21-2009 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6366742)
Now I feel bad for talking you into the drive.... :D
Don't. I had a great time.

Rasputin 12-21-2009 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6366673)
U R A DUMBASS! Cassel is the only reason KC was in the game. He played great with a dogshit WR corp. 9 drops and you are bitching about Matt? Remove your head from your ass.
Jamaal Charles is why we were in that game and the muff punt that we scored a TD that was a gimme touchdown. Cassel played better yes i admit but he made dumbassery plays to lose it too.

OnTheWarpath15 12-21-2009 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Cool han Luke (Post 6366748)
Jamaal Charles is why we were in that game and the muff punt that we scored a TD that was a gimme touchdown. Cassel played better yes i admit but he made dumbassery plays to lose it too.
Funny you say "gimme TD", as that's exactly what we thought at the game.

That play happened right in front of us, and the punter didn't even try to recover the ball, or knock it out of the back of the endzone.


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