They can get rid of Gunther

Damn you dirk. ;)

Add Suh to that list with the coach who made Haynesworth a beast in Nashville.

It will be too late the infection will spread

In all seriousness though they do have alot of good pieces

Ah, shut the **** up, Racist.

You're a punk ass that can't admit when he's wrong.

But then again, I'd hate to be you.

Every post would begin with "Okay, I was wrong".

LMAO

Racist.

Just think if they would have took Oher instead of Pettigrew. Good grief they would have been stacked.

Sorry but if Dan Marino didn't even win a SB after throwing for over 5,000 yards and 48 TDs in the same season, then I really can't believe Stafford will until it happens.

You would hope so considering they have picked in the Top 5 for the last decade

And yet the Lions are still picking off our team's ass zits and putting them on their face to look pretty (see McBride, Gunther).

That's a lot of nice positions to have "already covered." Why'd they only win two games this year?

Eloquent. Just remember you started this shit.
For future reference... If you'd like to avoid being pissed on, going forward, stay the hell away from my zipper. If you'd just stop being so cock-curious you could avoid the public water sports.

Kyle Shanahan fulfilling what's probably a life-long dream of coaching alongside his father is no indication of lateral-NFL-coaching-move trending.

Which is why you bend over backwards to make a lame-ass counterpoint that no one in this sub-forum gives a rat's ass about (and ultimately has Jack & Shit to do with my original point). Score one for Dane. You're the slow member of the Four Horsemen. Hamas should seriously reconsider your place in the ranks.

But if you call me "racist" again I'm sure everyone else will forget about how stupid I just made you look...again.

I get it though... I really do.
It's kinda like that kid who acts out because he wants his dad to notice.
He's going to get his ass-whipped for stepping out of line and testing his old man's nuts, but at least he'll have his undivided attention.

All that means jack when you're 2-14. Records are what matter and they've sucked for a looooong time. Even the times they were mediocre or decent I remember them having very good talent. The bottomline is, they aren't a winner and I think it's more of an organizational thing that comes directly from the top. They don't possess the necessary leadership qualities of what is takes to build and lead a successful organization from both an ownership and management stand point of view and its clearly shown over the years.

Matthew Stafford? Rookie.

Calvin Johnson? 3rd year.

Kevin Smith? 2nd year.

Ernie Sims? 3rd year.

DeAndre Levy? Rookie.

Louis Delmas? Rookie.

Cliff Avril? 2nd year.

Sammie Lee Hill? Rookie.

Just to name a few reasons...

They've got a core of talented young players to be sure.
With the right coaching...sheesh.

Funny, you could have said the exact same thing about the Arizona Cardinals up until last year.

If they continue to draft like they did last year, they'll be a ****ing monster in 3 years.

We'll still be waiting for Tyson Jackson and Matt Cassel to show us something.

Yep.

And I think Schwartz is the guy for the job.

I think Detroit will undergo an Arizona-like reformation in the next 3 years.

I really like Schwartz. He was on my wishlist when the KC job was vacant.

Me too. I wanted him as HC and DeCosta as the GM.

I know ChiefsCountry was very high on him as well.

Good strong defensive-minded coach.
That area of this team would be in much better shape.

Oh okay. Right, my bad. I thought the emulating 49ers part was in relation to the Chiefs building their team with ex-49ers coaches...Thats why I was like huh? Thank you for clarifying this with me.

yeah, the guy that hired Gunther Cunningham :shake:

Yeah, because the guy that hired Clancy Pendergast is a real ****ing genius.

ROFL

Even good Head Coaches make mistakes.
He may not be worth the hair on your aunt's ass now, but...
He's had success in this league.

Success or Failure for them will be determined pending on how Stafford pans out. Of course, same thing can be said about the Chiefs with Cassel. Both quarterbacks have lots of room to improve. The key to progress for both teams will depend on two critical players at two key positions.

I believe a major contributor to Arizona's success is Kurt Warner. As soon as he came along, and started playing at a high level for them, they took off. Once he went down, things were a bit different.

But I think both teams, Detroit and Kansas City are in similar situations. Chiefs do have there share of young talent too. Don't kid yourself. They just often get criticized more than anything around here. If the Chiefs could have themselves a couple of good drafts they'll be making noise in a few years.

I really liked him. I think his 4-3 style of defensive would have been perfect for the personal we had in place. Dorsey could have reached a high level under him IMO. Flowers, DJ, Pollard, Hali all fit as well. Not to mention I liked his MoneyBall approach - stat type guru.

If Stafford wasn't hurt I bet Detroit would have won a few more games but it looks like they will luck out and get Suh now.

They did hire ex-49ers coaches.

Not a whole staff full though, right?

Do you remember who they hired? I could think of one off the top of my head, Solari. Thats about it.

UGH.

How many "best prospect in 10 year" guys can they draft?
Bastards.

:facepalm:

Yeah, Stafford does have a lot of room to improve. He's 21 years old.

And of the Lions players I listed earlier, who on our roster would you rather have at their respective positions?

Matthew Stafford? Or Matt Cassel?

Calvin Johnson? Or Dwayne Bowe?

Kevin Smith? Or Jamaal Charles?

Ernie Sims? Or Mike Vrabel?

DeAndre Levy? Or Corey Mays?

Louis Delmas? Or John McGraw?



Comedy gold in 3...2...1...

The Lions have a goddamn roster full of elite talent following years and years of high draft picks, so you'd think they should get better faster than KC. But of course they already should have gotten better than KC, so who the **** knows.

They need a GM like Pioli... But the fuckers aren't getting him!

I'll say it again, too: Losing is a CANCER. Even when you're good, when you've been on a losing team you start losing just because you think you're supposed to and you're used to it. This is what has happened to the Royals (in small part), but I digress: If you go in there and clean fucking house, you get that old attitude out of the locker room, and replace it with enthusiasm, excitement and hope.

This is why I think this win we had Sunday was beyond amazing. It would have been worth a lost in 5 draft picks, cause all these guys are going to go through the WHOLE offseason kinda cocky and feeling like they're a good fucking team.

Jamaal over Kevin Smith and we have Albert. Dorsey would fit in nice in Detroit.

Really, all of their elite talent has been drafted in the last 3 years.

All of our elite talent has been drafted in the last 3 years.

Yeah, they've sucked forever, but they just started pulling their heads out of their asses recently.

I want to see Jamaal for another season before I can take him over Smith.

I tend to think most of our elite talent is going to be drafted in the next 2 years. Starting with pick 5 and then wherever we pick after 7-9/8-8/9-7. Cupboard's pretty bare here as it stands.

Paul Hackett.

Really?

Jamaal just posted a better season this year than Kevin's rookie season.
Smith averaged less than 3.5 yards per carry this year.

He may prove to be the better long-term option because he's a bit sturdier than Charles, but as of right now? Charles for my money.

Three top 50 draft picks (one in the top 5) is AWESOME!!! We will be able to address so many needs on this team, and with high-prospect players. Plus, maybe we can finally start getting away from this second round curse we've had going on. We get two chances to redeem ourselves!

Theoretically.

I think Smith is an extremely underrated back - playing in Detroit means he's pretty much invisible to all but die-hards.

Jamaal's performed in EIGHT games - and I hope he can continue at this level - but let's not crown the kid just yet.

Both are young, both have a shit-ton of potential. I'm not sure I could pick one over the other just yet.

I'm on the Charles-is-****ing-good bandwagon. It'd be one thing if Jamaal merely had a very hot 8 game streak. Jamaal had that and more -- the best 8 game streak in NFL history (to begin as a starter).

Weiss will be a huge difference maker for us and Haley.

Now if the stars could align and let Wade Phillips be let leave after a playoff loss and be brought in to KC to be given the keys to the defense. Let Charlie and Todd work on the Offense and let Wade work his defensive magic on the D and we will be a good team sooner rather than later.

I think Romeo isnt the last choice, but I surely wasnt impressed with his defenses after he left NE, the UFO defense he developed in Cleveland was a joke and I dont want any part of it here in KC.

It would be like I died and went to heaven if we got Wade Phillips.

What are you basing this on? Fat Scott's first draft last year produced a kicker and not much else.

The fact that we have the picks?

Sorry your grey fox is gone. Maybe we can all chip together and buy you a Dick Vermeil real doll for these cold winter nights.

I'm going to preface this by saying the following is not trying to take anything away from Jamaal - he was THE reason to watch this year, and I'm damn glad he accomplished what he accomplished - but to point out why I'm cautiously optimistic, but not willing to crown the kid just yet.

6 games over 90 yards.

1 against a rushing defense ranked better than 20. (Cincinnati, 7)

The other 5 were against the 20th, 26th, 28th, 29th and 30th ranked rushing defenses.

You really can't count out a player after one season... You can get a good idea, and you can want to count them out, but other than EXTREME circumstances (Ryan Leaf) you really have to give them more time.

What if Crennel DOES come to KC, and knows EXACTLY how to utilize Jackson perfectly. Crennel and Pioli are on the same page when it comes to getting good defensive talent and knowing what to do with it.

lalalalalalalalalalalalala

Seriously, I don't want even to consider the possibility of Charles being a flash in the pan.

Oh, I don't think the kid is going to fall off the ****ing grid or anything, I just think people should tone down the expectations - the kid has started 8 games.

People are calling for 2000 yards next year, FFS. Calling him Chris Johnson II.

When he does it for another season or season and a half like CJ has, then crown his ass.

Otherwise, just enjoy what he did this year, and try not to put ridiculous expectations on the kid.

Dude you're hilarious. I really think you like to put a twist on things most times and imply that others are stupid. Good thing I laugh everytime. Seriously.

Stafford=unproven to go along with a bad season. Okay he deserves a pass since he is a rookie and played injured throughout the year..he has upside yes. no saying he is going to be good in the NFL though only time will determine that.

Cassel is still raw. Only started 2 years at quarterback in the league. Had to learn 2 different systems. 1 system in NE he had to learn on the fly, the other in KC was with no QB coach. He had a better season than Stafford. I think Stafford has more upside only time will tell as to who will be the better QB. So its too early to make a comparison on that one imo.

Calvin Johnson is better than Dwayne Bowe. Fine.

Charles is better than Kevin Smith.

*I see you want to compare position by position. Why? To support your argument? Because I could easily turn around and say we have a "stud" corner, they don't. If you wanna make the Argument that Delmas is better than McGraw, then fine you win there. But what difference does it make? The only difference is, they have a good young safety and we have 2 young solid corners in Flowers and Carr.

Do you really want to use Ernie Sims? The guy hasn't met or exceeded expectations there. You're better off using Julian Peterson instead. They do have better linebackers then the Chiefs I'll give them that. But do they have a left tackle? No. Do they have young ascending Dlineman? Not really. If you want to use Cliff Avril. Ummm...hes okay..But then I could say the chiefs have Tamba so thats a pretty fair comparison..And the Chiefs have Dorsey who I will admit made progress this year.

Plus, kickers are the same. Hansons a stud, except he is older, and the chiefs have a really good young up and coming kicker. And heck I'll throw in Colquitt who is better than Nick Harris.

Both Detroit and KC are relatively even imo..as far as young talent and players go.

Like I said, comedy gold.

You just couldn't help yourself - you had to try to make every excuse in the book for Cassel, and try to drag Stafford down to cover Cassel's shittyness.

Anyone who knows anything about the draft and the young talent they have know they are ahead of the game.

But continue to bury your head in the sand, dude. We're stocked with talent.

:rolleyes:

Fair.

OTWP, you are a smart dude and I'm with ya on a lot of your takes.

BUT MAN... you seem like you are MUCH more interested in being right about this team going down a endless path of suck so you can be right, rather than to see any chance of us improving and having reasons to be hopeful about a light at the end of the tunnel.

I know its hard to remain positive, at all, about the outlook of our beloved Chiefs, but damn, on a day we hired the best candidate for our OC job and have started to make moves to improve our defensive staff, you seem ready and anxious to shit on every move for any reason you can pull out of the sky.

Maybe Im off base and just plain wrong, but I am going off perception of a newer member of the board in my assumption.

Im not trying to attack you, just trying to understand why you seem to be devoid of objectivity on a few topics and seem clouded by hate on them.

Charlie Weis is a GREAT qb coach and his offenses got the most out of lacking talent in NE and he built a offensive powerhouse at ND.

The three qbs he coached were Tom Brady (multiple superbowl winner), Brady Quinn (first round pick) and Jimmy Clausen (likely top ten pick) thats pretty good stuff.

Woudn't you call him better than Kevin Smith? He's a far more electric player, it appears.

+1. I'm afraid people are going to EXPECT him to run for 1,500 next year. I even said that, and people said, "Well yeah..."

If our team stays as one-dimesional as it is, he will be lucky to get over 1,000 again. When there's 9 guys in the box, only Barry Sanders himself could get 1,500 (and he'd get 2,000...lol)

When I supervised production, I was the type of supervisor who...

1. Showed you how to use the tools provided properly.
2. Let you know that I was there for any questions.
3. Told you what was expected of you (quantity and quality).

With these three things in mind, I left it up to them to decide how to get me the desired results.

Here, the desired result is a win. Use the players however you see fit, go to the right person for guidance, and do what's expected of you!

If going the route that the Patriots once took gets us those results, then fine. However, if they don't, then we'd best find or create another way.

Maybe we should use people with management experience to be head coaches. They'd suck at the Xs and Os but they'd probably be good at the HC position.

Tom Landry was an Industrial Engineer, and used his I.E. skills to maximize human output as much as possible. Its all about taking what you have and learning where to put what in order for everything to work the best as possible. He was probably his own statistician as well.

<-- is going to school to be an I.E. :)

Why shouldn't we, the kc way hasn't really been working too great

I think it happens with most coaches and GMs... watch what happens in Washington, you're going to see a lot of faces and names that are linked to Denver show up.

Nobody knows if it's a good or a bad thing yet, but ex NE staff have been more bad than good in their new roles.

Haley took over so late there wasn't really many options. Schwartz was hired roughly a month before Haley. He had more options. I'm not saying Pendergast is a good DC but given the alternatives and his defense in AZ had played well in the playoffs, it wasn't a terrible hire. If he is DC next year then that will be an issue

Im wondering if Romeo will get signed before the Dallas situation plays out.

You'd prefer to be more Raiders-like?

u talking 2me?

I was never backup you dumbass. And you don't know shit about football either.

As opposed to that awesome smelly old sock Chief smell we've had for several years?

Yea it would really suck to win a few SB's!!!!

We can look like the Patriots for all I can, if it leads to more wins. I am happy that we might be getting Weiss and Crennel they are both proven commodities are OC and DC whereas our HC is a proven jackass.

Coaches hire other coaches, especially top level assistance based on ability, familiarity and compatibility.

So, you get a ton of new coaches that hired other guys that they have worked with before. This is not uncommon and is a good thing.

Any new coach hires people he has worked with before. Rarely ever do you see a new coach hire a coordinator that he hasn't worked with.

It is good because coaches have to spend so much time with each other and have to be on the same page.... and they have to trust one another to do their jobs.

I am not a huge fan of Romeo's...... but, I know he is a good football mind, and I know that it is more important than anything else that the entire team be on the same page.

There are tons of ways to win football games, but you have to pick one and stick with it.

Patsification. Its like 9 yrs ago when we started 'Ramsification'. Then, in '93 we tried to be 49ers east. Who's next?

I was hoping to avoid the Lionsification phase, although, we appear to be ass-deep into it right now............

OTWP58 has to be the dumbest MF'er posting here.

I really don't give a crap what they think. I care if it produces positive results.
Every coach & personnel guy that moves to a new franchise does the same thing. You think Shanahan won't try to get a few coaches he's worked with before? Of course he will, just like Parcells did everywhere he went. The media can call it whatever they want, I heard a "analyst" on the radio say last night that Weis was a Pioli hire, not a Haley one and that Haley should be looking over his shoulder. Fact is that most of them don't know what they are talking about anymore than the rest of us, so I don't hold them in any hire regard than I do any of you.

You hire the best people for the job whenever you get the chance to hire them. Weis & Crennel are the best available right now, it doesn't mean anything more than that.

Actually, every successful coach in history, and come to think of it, GM's as well, look to add guys from their past to the team they are with now. When Marty left here he hired guys at other places that had worked with him here. When he came here he brought guys that were with him in Cle. Same for Vermiel. He brought in Trent Green, Eddie Kennison, Al Saunders, etc. Same with Herm. Quit making it our like the chiefs are doing anything different than any other team does. this is how it works in the NFL. You bring in guys you are familiar with. Nobody was calling this the Saint Louisification of the Chiefs in 2001 but Vermiel brought in just as many ex rams players and coaches as Pioli has. Stop making it such an issue

If we ever start emulating the Lions, can someone please shoot me? In the end it's all about wins and losses, individual talent and player stats don't mean a thing. See Oakland Raiders and Washington Redskins for further proof.

We'll see where they end up at the end of next year, but I'd put my money on the Chiefs having a better record.

In regards to the original post, I don't mind emulating successful regimes or even getting players from successful regimes. If it brings a winning attitude back to KC I'm all for it. The last two times we did it we made the playoffs as a result, which certainly beats the 2-14 and 4-12 suckfest we have endured the last few years.

Modeling ourselves after the best team in the decade is fine by me. Would you rather model our football team after the raiders or lions?

Idiot.

There is no "KC way."

KC's way is to find another winning franchise and steal their way/coaches/players. Been like that since about 93...

from 1999 until 2008 we were trying to emulate The Clippers

What in the blue **** are you talking about?

I've said numerous times that I'm not at all upset with the hire of Weis, and that he's a really good get for this organization.

Reading comprehension is not this place's strong suit, it appears.

Whatever you say, Jake.

Last chance. Still want to say you weren't a backup?

Why are you upset they hired Weis. Damn, man. Your negativity is out of control.

I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good.

What a bunch of shit. Enjoy the fact that we're bringing in successful coaches. So they've all had Patriot ties. Big freakin' deal, they've coached other places too. Get over it. It's progress and that's great in my book. Quit crying, pop that nipple out of your mouth, and look at the bright side. You want Herm back? No, didn't think so.