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BigMeatballDave 01-22-2010 02:51 PM

Without question.

Titty Meat 01-22-2010 02:52 PM

lol @ nooo don't trade Bowe. I'm not even bashing Bowe because of his drops but the fact is he's a lazy player and it's obvious this regime doesn't like him.

Titty Meat 01-22-2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6469366)
Dude, if he can be replaced by Early Doucet, a second rounder from a few years back, the Chiefs can most certainly find a similar receiver with either 2a or 2b in the upcoming draft.

I'd rather have a guy that's 21 to 23 years old as opposed to a 29 year-old that's had injury issues.

And while he may have started 15 games this past season, he didn't finish 15 games AND he sat out of the playoffs.

He'll be 30 in October and won't have Kurt Warner throwing passes to him in Kansas City.

I still want to see what Quinten Lawrence can do and Boldin still has some productive years left.

BigMeatballDave 01-22-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6468850)
No freakin' way. I'd rather have Doucet, by a mile.

Well, if we can actually pick the player we want from AZ, I'll choose Fitzgerald...:D

The Franchise 01-22-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6469366)
Dude, if he can be replaced by Early Doucet, a second rounder from a few years back, the Chiefs can most certainly find a similar receiver with either 2a or 2b in the upcoming draft.

I'd rather have a guy that's 21 to 23 years old as opposed to a 29 year-old that's had injury issues.

And while he may have started 15 games this past season, he didn't finish 15 games AND he sat out of the playoffs.

He'll be 30 in October and won't have Kurt Warner throwing passes to him in Kansas City.

I'd rather take Golden Tate with a 2nd round pick or Mardy Gilyard with a 3rd-4th round pick then trade a draft pick for Boldin.

BossChief 01-22-2010 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6468909)
Whoops didn't see this thread. Yes i'd trade a 3rd for Boldin, re-sign Chambers and dump Bowe for a 2nd.

are you high? If you are, you need to spend more on your stuff to get better quality, or better yet, just quit altogether.

If we traded a third for a 30 year old injury problem and traded Bowe for a 2nd, I would have no faith for this front office to be anything more than reeruned from that point forward.

...

The only reason I would trade for Boldin is if we cant re-sign Chambers and we need a legitimate receiving option opposite Bowe. If we cant re-sign Chambers because he wants to go to a contender, we need to give Cassel a real receiving threat opposite Bowe and at that point a third for Boldin wouldnt be terrible, but I think we could do better.

I think its kinda funny that in the last thread I can remember about Boldin, just about everyone wanted him for a 2nd and I went fully against the grain and said I wouldnt give up more than a 4th and was railed for it and now I see some of the exact reasons I gave for my reasoning popping up here.

Good to know some are listening.

SAUTO 01-22-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SDChiefs (Post 6469283)
Yes, because when he decided AZ was screwing him, he started missing games due to injury. Hmmm, conincedence?

ROFL if thats the case why would we want him?

Rausch 01-22-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6469479)
ROFL if thats the case why would we want him?

He also ****ing HATES Haley.

HATE.

With phlem and spit and raised voices...

RustShack 01-22-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6469504)
He also ****ing HATES Haley.

HATE.

With phlem and spit and raised voices...

Is that why he said last year he would like to play for Haley in Kansas City?

Molitoth 01-22-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6469522)
Is that why he said last year he would like to play for Haley in Kansas City?

:clap:

BigChiefFan 01-22-2010 03:33 PM

There is no riff between the two of them. This is from the past...

Anquan Boldin: 'I wouldn't mind playing for Chiefs' Todd Haley'
by Joel Thorman on Apr 16, 2009 3:28 PM CDT 57 comments



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We've received some news via 610 Sports that multiple players on the Kansas City Chiefs are not fans of new coach Todd Haley. Apparently his former players with the Arizona Cardinals don't feel the same way.

Anquan Boldin appearing on the Michael Irvin show (via Dallas Morning News):

Boldin, who said he just has a player-coach relationship with former Cardinals coordinator Todd Haley, said he wouldn't mind playing for him in Kansas City.

Of course Boldin says this the same day I say there is no chance the Chiefs give up the reported asking price, 1st and 3rd round pick, for the Cardinals receiver.

Boldin also said he wouldn't mind playing in the NFC East either.

I wouldn't read too much into this. Boldin likely won't be coming here - it takes two to tango and it would be very out of character for GM Scott Pioli to give up the Chiefs' first three picks in the 2009 NFL Draft.

What's intriguing about this is that we have just heard that multiple players in Kansas City reportedly do not like new coach Todd Haley. 610 Sports reports that Will Franklin was a "marked man" by Haley which prompted his request for his release.

Boldin and Haley had an on-camera tiff during the playoffs last year. Both players came out of the situation saying it was a no big deal. But that, combined with the reports from 610 Sports that Haley gets in fights with players a lot, makes more than a few people nervous that the new coach is going about business the wrong way in Kansas City.

Not that we needed the Boldin-to-KC rumor mill fodder but it makes for an interesting offseason.

DaneMcCloud 01-22-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 6469394)
I'd rather take Golden Tate with a 2nd round pick or Mardy Gilyard with a 3rd-4th round pick then trade a draft pick for Boldin.

Yes, exactly

Rausch 01-22-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6469522)
Is that why he said last year he would like to play for Haley in Kansas City?

For $6 million dollars i'd let you sodomize me with a cucumber and I'd pretend to like it.

That doesn't mean I like cucumbers...

Pioli Zombie 01-22-2010 03:39 PM

Yes yes. And more yes. Boldin,Bowe,Chambers,and Charles. Plenty of tools for Weis and Cassel.
Ok..that sounded wrong.
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RustShack 01-22-2010 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 6469540)
For $6 million dollars i'd let you sodomize me with a cucumber and I'd pretend to like it.

That doesn't mean I like cucumbers...

Or bet your the kind of pussy bitch who holds a grudge for life if you have a minor disagreement with someone one time.

Rausch 01-22-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6469571)
Or bet your the kind of pussy bitch who holds a grudge for life if you have a minor disagreement with someone one time.

If that were true multiple members of this BB would have killed me already.

You only hold a grudge if you're the stupid type of bidge that picks it up to begin with...

BossChief 01-22-2010 04:17 PM

Baltimore should be all over this. They should be in full on win now mode to try and get another championship before Ed Reed and Ray Lewis are gone, once they are, the window is closed for a few years.

If I were them, I would offer Chambers a big contract and trade for Boldin. That would give them a lethal receiving corps and would complement their running game very well.

The Bad Guy 01-22-2010 04:18 PM

Boldin is going to command at least 5 year, 55 million dollar deal with 25 million guaranteed. He's 29. He's hurt, a lot. He's a physical receiver who's body may not hold up until he's 34.

There's no way I'm trading for him and then giving him a big contract. He's a stud player no doubt, but this team needs to avoid acquiring a soon to be 30 year old player.

There are options in the draft like Tate, Gilyard, Shipley that should be explored.

Boldin is nice for a team on the verge, but he should not fit here.

BossChief 01-22-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6469632)
Boldin is going to command at least 5 year, 55 million dollar deal with 25 million guaranteed. He's 29. He's hurt, a lot. He's a physical receiver who's body may not hold up until he's 34.

There's no way I'm trading for him and then giving him a big contract. He's a stud player no doubt, but this team needs to avoid acquiring a soon to be 30 year old player.

There are options in the draft like Tate, Gilyard, Shipley that should be explored.

Boldin is nice for a team on the verge, but he should not fit here.

I doubt any team gives him a deal that long, unless it has a significant roster bonus due after the second year. You may be right though.

What makes you think he will demand that type of guaranteed coin?

Larry Fitzgerald signed for 4/40 in 2008, I cant see Boldin being worth more than that to any team.

CoMoChief 01-22-2010 04:59 PM

**** NO

RustShack 01-22-2010 05:00 PM

The only reason he wanted traded in the first place is because of Fitzgeralds contract.

The Bad Guy 01-22-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6469668)
I doubt any team gives him a deal that long, unless it has a significant roster bonus due after the second year. You may be right though.

What makes you think he will demand that type of guaranteed coin?

Larry Fitzgerald signed for 4/40 in 2008, I cant see Boldin being worth more than that to any team.

Roy Williams, a clearly inferior player who has never posted anything close to Boldin, scored a 5 year, 45 million dollar deal with 20 guaranteed 2 seasons ago. That's the floor to any deal for him.

The Bad Guy 01-22-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6469668)
I doubt any team gives him a deal that long, unless it has a significant roster bonus due after the second year. You may be right though.

What makes you think he will demand that type of guaranteed coin?

Larry Fitzgerald signed for 4/40 in 2008, I cant see Boldin being worth more than that to any team.

Also, Fitzgerald gave the home team a discount with that deal. Boldin is giving the Chiefs no discounts. He is on his 3rd contract and he's going to want to cash in because his rookie deal didn't pay him much whereas Fitz's did.

SDChiefs 01-22-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6469479)
ROFL if thats the case why would we want him?

ROFL Because he is talented and will do wonders for our team. We have seen what draft Pioli did. Hmmm. Let me think. Have Pioli reach on some nobody in the third or trade that 3rd for a Probowler with 4-5 seasons over 1000 yards. Youre just arguing for the sake of arguing. You don't even have an opinion.

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BigMeatballDave 01-22-2010 05:19 PM

I didn't consider the huge contract he'll want. I think I'll pass now.

RustShack 01-22-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SDChiefs (Post 6469761)
ROFL Because he is talented and will do wonders for our team. We have seen what draft Pioli did. Hmmm. Let me think. Have Pioli reach on some nobody in the third or trade that 3rd for a Probowler with 4-5 seasons over 1000 yards. Youre just arguing for the sake of arguing. You don't even have an opinion.

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Actually we could probably draft Mike Williams with our last pick and he can be better for Boldin for a lot longer for us. Hes going to go late like Jarad Allen did because of issues and whoever drafts him will get a big steal.

lostcause 01-22-2010 06:12 PM

Hell yes, a 3rd rounder for Boldin should be a no brainer. Come on, he's younger than:
chambers
ochocinco
wayne
houshmanzadeh
coles
santana moss
randy moss
owens
ward
driver

All of which were extremely productive at Boldin's age and for year(s) after.

a year older than:
roddy white
wes welker
andre johnson

Who are still considered in the prime of their career.

The assumption we'd be buying a broken down car is ridiculous. We would be getting a proven, elite, veteran wide reciever to bring some leadership and playmaking to our offense at a position we obviously need. Any 3rd rounder is a gamble - this is not. We may not be 'on the verge', but if we're doing this right - we should be a playoff caliber team in 2012 when Boldin would still be a very viable #1 WR. I would take him over any wr past the 1st round in this year's draft.

The Bad Guy 01-22-2010 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by lostcause (Post 6469857)
Hell yes, a 3rd rounder for Boldin should be a no brainer. Come on, he's younger than:
chambers
ochocinco
wayne
houshmanzadeh
coles
santana moss
randy moss
owens
ward
driver

All of which were extremely productive at Boldin's age and for year(s) after.

a year older than:
roddy white
wes welker
andre johnson

Who are still considered in the prime of their career.

The assumption we'd be buying a broken down car is ridiculous. We would be getting a proven, elite, veteran wide reciever to bring some leadership and playmaking to our offense at a position we obviously need. Any 3rd rounder is a gamble - this is not. We may not be 'on the verge', but if we're doing this right - we should be a playoff caliber team in 2012 when Boldin would still be a very viable #1 WR. I would take him over any wr past the 1st round in this year's draft.

It's not the 3rd rounder. It's the money he is going to get that we won't see a return on in 3-4 years.

The guy is a stud, but he's only played a full schedule 2 years he's been in the league. He's a physical receiver who takes a lot of hits. He's not a burner or a shifty guy like the other receivers you list. His body is not going to hold up forever with the way he plays.

The assumption that we are going to get a ton of miledge out of him is ridiculous.

This Chiefs team should not be giving ANYONE their third contract unless it's a minimum deal. I don't care who he's younger than, I wouldn't give any of those guys any substancial contract either besides Reggie Wayne.

RustShack 01-22-2010 06:28 PM

Moves like this are moves you make if your Super Bowl bound.

lostcause 01-22-2010 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6469883)
It's not the 3rd rounder. It's the money he is going to get that we won't see a return on in 3-4 years.

The guy is a stud, but he's only played a full schedule 2 years he's been in the league. He's a physical receiver who takes a lot of hits. He's not a burner or a shifty guy like the other receivers you list. His body is not going to hold up forever with the way he plays.

The assumption that we are going to get a ton of miledge out of him is ridiculous.

This Chiefs team should not be giving ANYONE their third contract unless it's a minimum deal. I don't care who he's younger than, I wouldn't give any of those guys any substancial contract either besides Reggie Wayne.

The money would be fine... It's not like we're cap pressed and it's not like we have anybody in line to fill a top wr spot. It is also very unlikely we could find anybody this legit in free agency. And we could easily see another 3-4 years of 1000 yard production from him.

Incidentally, I would happily give contracts to Roddy or Andre.

Wide recievers through the draft have been proven to take around 3 years to develop. Hypothetically, that would mean that if we looked to use that 3rd on a wr - Cassel is 30 and Charles is 26 before we even have a legitimate recieving core. We can greatly shorten the time it takes to become a contender by getting a good, prime of his career wr for a 3rd rounder? I'll take that every time.

RustShack 01-22-2010 06:41 PM

I like how people look at contracts for now and don't give a shit how bad they will **** you over in a few years ROFL

The_Doctor10 01-22-2010 07:04 PM

30 for a WR isn't THAT old... they usually don't start to slow down until they turn about 33-34. It's probably worth it, it's only a 3rd...

lostcause 01-22-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6469910)
I like how people look at contracts for now and don't give a shit how bad they will **** you over in a few years ROFL

Good WRs don't come cheap unless you draft one in the middle rounds. The Chiefs have a good track record of doing just that, let's start listing them...

SAUTO 01-22-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SDChiefs (Post 6469761)
ROFL Because he is talented and will do wonders for our team. We have seen what draft Pioli did. Hmmm. Let me think. Have Pioli reach on some nobody in the third or trade that 3rd for a Probowler with 4-5 seasons over 1000 yards. Youre just arguing for the sake of arguing. You don't even have an opinion.

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really?? i thought i stated my opinion before in another thread(theres only been about 15 -20 in the last year). here ill state it again.

i dont think hes worth it at this point In his career and with his injury issues
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SAUTO 01-22-2010 07:25 PM

its also funny that everyone assumes a 3rd alone will get it done. The OP says a third AND A PLAYER were offered and THAT deal MAY be enough to get it done
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Mecca 01-22-2010 07:51 PM

30 isn't old for a WR like Boldin because his game isn't speed, he's never really been fast.

He's worth more than a 3rd, he's a legit 1, basically if Bowe became everything he could be he'd be Boldin to act like drafting someone like Mardy Gilyard is a better option is pretty naive.

The Bad Guy 01-22-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6469997)
30 isn't old for a WR like Boldin because his game isn't speed, he's never really been fast.

He's worth more than a 3rd, he's a legit 1, basically if Bowe became everything he could be he'd be Boldin to act like drafting someone like Mardy Gilyard is a better option is pretty naive.

I'm not saying he's a better option. I'm saying that since I believe Boldin's style of play will lead to a shorter career than most, that exploring options in the draft would be a better move because you aren't paying a huge contract to a guy on his 3rd deal.

Mecca 01-22-2010 08:11 PM

This is a pretty horrid WR draft on top of that, but I disagree with his style of play shortening his career.

His game not being speed should help him.

Red Dawg 01-22-2010 08:14 PM

No to Boldin. He's declined the last two seasons. If he came cheap then yes, take a shot buyt he won't come cheap so I say no.

Chiefaholic 01-22-2010 11:14 PM

I didn't hear many of you complaining when we traded a 3rd for Willie Roaf. He was already beyond his prime when we made the trade, but was well worth the trade for his service to KC. Boldin would provide a sililar service in adding a legitimate playmaker at WR to force opponents to respect the pass. When they do, JC will have a field day and shred opposing defenses with the run.

We acquired a 2nd for Gonzo, what's wrong with giving up less for a younger Boldin?

RustShack 01-22-2010 11:41 PM

I really feel great giving a WR on the downhill slope of his prime a contract more than twice as bit as what he was making when he was less injury prone and making big plays.

The Bad Guy 01-22-2010 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefaholic (Post 6470329)
I didn't hear many of you complaining when we traded a 3rd for Willie Roaf. He was already beyond his prime when we made the trade, but was well worth the trade for his service to KC. Boldin would provide a sililar service in adding a legitimate playmaker at WR to force opponents to respect the pass. When they do, JC will have a field day and shred opposing defenses with the run.

We acquired a 2nd for Gonzo, what's wrong with giving up less for a younger Boldin?

Willie Roaf was an all-world LT coming off a major injury who played a premium position.

They gave him virtually peanuts of a contract.

That's a really ****ing stupid comparison.

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-23-2010 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6468379)
I love Boldin but I'd lean against it. He's on the back side of his career (not saying at the end of it, mind you), he's been injury prone, and he doesn't have a long-term contract so he'll be looking for money. I'd rather see the Chiefs find a younger free agent or draft someone. If the Chiefs were ready to make their run and they were a couple of players away, I'd go for it, but not under the current circumstances.

Holy Tebow Mercy ****: patteeu has a football brain. And one more year in the skids for Mr. Boldin; that's an easy 5th round pick up.

(IF the bosses are interested)


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