You're always the one that I think tries to genuinely "understand" please watch the video and what I'm saying will all make sense to you.

Defensive? Because you over-tip, talk white and are a closet chicken eater? You sir, are the one who is being defensive.

That's it. I'm blaiming YOU personally. :rolleyes:

Mike please watch the video and then go back and read your ignorant statements.
You'll be more informed to argue your point than to just marginalize everything I'm typing.

Please please, lets not do the words in mouth deal.

Why do you have to tell them anything. Just go on about your business and be yourself .

Just order the chicken. Nobody actually cares. Do not order the collard greens though. I will make a stupid joke if you order some collard greens.

I have a similar complaint. I find my voice dropping some ethnic slang when I hang out with a few black guys. What is up with that? I certainly don't do it intentionally but I catch myself breaking into that mode. I can't figure that out for the life of me.

the problem with this situation is that as much as i sympathize, it doesn't seem like you'll ever realize that everyone goes through similar situations, though perhaps not to the same degree. you think that a white trash hick from sugar creek could go into a nice restaurant in JOCO and get the same kind of service as a rich white person?

though it's not the same as your struggle, it's still similar.

You are calling me ignorant? Sounds like its the black guy calling the kettle black.

I will humor you and watch it.

Well being myself I like baggy jeans... Hip hop... flashy shirts, etc.
I don't like having to bring out my white voice as I'd rather be myself. But if I want to get ahead, I have to "play the game".

To you it's not being true to yourself. To me and other minorities it's a matter of survival.

I clicked on the link, but it wants me to sign up for something. No thanks.

Besides, you just wrote about me: "You of all people wont understand."

So, why should I bother? That seems to be your default answer. No, I'll never know what it's like to be black. Just as you'll never know or understand what it's like to be white.

it's your inner ghetto-osity coming out phil.

Yes you can, you just give a shit about what people think of you. Order the chicken and enjoy it. What's the big deal?

I used to deliver pizzas for Godfathers, and I can tell you honestly that about 95% of my black customers did not tip. The ones who did were very good tippers. Maybe there is something to that...

Instead of "whiteness," maybe you could think of it as "professional"...I don't talk at work the same way I talk around my buddies...

Subtle, but not earth shattering, and certainly nothing that is holding you back. Now, I'm certain that racism exists (on all sides, by the way) but I'm also certain that most people are good and do not carry racism to a level of hatred or deep discrimination. But lets face it, we all have a certain comfort level and we all have our pre-conceived notions about each other.

My question is, what do you want us to do about it?

The over/under for the first "How come we don't have a white history month" is currently at post #150. Keep in mind that the line can move.

It's because you subliminally seek acceptance. Which is what we have to do to "blend in" for acceptance. BTW: I've noticed your black voice.

Cancel the popup and hit play again and it'll play.
Thanks for trying.

I'd think you should dress appropriately for the situation.

WTF is your "white voice"?

I have a better idea about what it's like than you have about what it's like being black. Remember, (unless I'm a CEO or something) we have to simulate whites in order to get ahead. You don't have to do that.

Heh. I feel like a moron when it happens but it just flops out. The more black guys I'm around the more I take it on. I remember when I played a game of softball with one of your teams a few years back down in Knobtown - I was the only white guy.... Heh, I must have really broken out some slang that night. I also didn't tip and I ate some watermelon too.

Man, that black host really talks white! British white even.

I'm not looking for handouts... Just for you to watch the video and understand our point of view and realize that we're not full of excuses.

We do (not me) tend to play the race card at wrong times and situations but sometimes it's warranted.

They were more concerned with your tight ass shorts than your slang.
They were thinking, "who's the wigga in the tight shorts? They don't go together".

No, you don't have any idea what it's like to be white.

If by "simulate whites" you mean being professional, intelligent and driven, I guess. Aren't there any black people that are like that and aren't simulating whites? Obama maybe?

Donger watch the vid and then argue your point then I'll respond to any question(s)/point(s) you may have.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=217036

Wutamess, not sure if you saw this thread, but what is your take on it? I have to deal with racial shit all the time in the Army, and somehow, it's never taken seriously if it's black to white... i.e. using the word cracker, joking about white stereotypes, etc. If it was white to black...the white persons career would be in jeopardy. Maybe their job will be replaced by somebody that got hired from the AA list.

P.S. The movie is buffering, I will get back to you.

Don't know if you saw my earlier post about the convenient store and the barber shop incidents. I know this is not about ME per se, but I wonder if you would find those experiences I had satisfactory in helping me understand in some small way what it is like from your point of view?

Anyone who thinks there isn't a problem is basically easy to point out as having racist tendencies. We all are racist in one way or another. I am, Roger is we all have SOME pre-conceived notion of what we expect from another race / gender. If you aren't willing to admit that, THAT is the problem.

Shit yeah, hear hear! It's about time people just admit that while they may not hate people, they do have pre-conceived notions and prejudices, and you don't have to be white to be an offender and you don't have to be black to be a victim of it.

I suspect that it is more prevalent among whites to ACT on their prejudice, but I really don't believe we have the market cornered on prejudice itself.

Welcome to our world. The video give examples similar to yours... specifically, the woman that in line first to be seated but is overlooked and other patrons are seated before her.

You've experience first hand of what we go through our entire life. If we say something about it (you people tell us to do something about it) we're considered "Angry Black Man" then. I guess this is my way of "doing something about it" by bringing awareness.

Never said you've had the market cornered but you did at one point. You do realize that W's have a LOT to do with racism and counter racism right? Can you maybe admit that much?

From what I can tell so far, this video is an attempt to get white people to get a sense of what it's like to be discriminated against because of their eye color. Correct so far?

Another first hand experience...

We hire summer work usually family members of coworkers.
I suggested I had a cousin that'd be interested... immediately hey said it was limited to close family members.

It could be that I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. But the way it was said made me think in my mind that they don't know what to expect from my cousin and maybe he's a mistake waiting to happen. I left it alone because it wasn't a battle worth fighting but it still made me think more than should've had to.

WATCH THE VID DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION(S)!!!

Don't get uppity.

you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

people are people, there is nothing you can do to change them or the way they think/feel/act. complaining won't change it. in fact, i'd venture to say that complaining will just get you more riled up in the long run.

look at our respective sprint careers. both of us started in a similar place, both of us ended up at the same place before getting canned. diaz still has his job and he's a mexican, therefore i'm getting discriminated against.

I don't know 'bout all that, yo. KnowwhatI'msayin?

One time I had a friend working for me on a basement project. He happened to be black. The homeowner was displeased about something or other and had come down more than once and dressed me down in front of my friend/worker.

Finally, I had enough and I let him know that I didn't appreciate being disrespected in front of "the help".

That was the end of my friendship with this guy. Was it because he thought I was being racist or because he didn't think I valued our friendship enough? I have yet to figure that mystery out and he refused to elaborate.

Threads like this make me realize just how ****ing STUPID the general population is. Congratulations folks.

The problem is some people, granted ignorant people, who feel there is no problem at all. If you watch the film the white aristocratic woman just thinks its all ridiculous and there is no problem at all. SHE is the problem and the definite racist of the group.

I play in a all black (virtually) flag football league in the hood. I get treated differently because I am a minority there. I get hit extra hard and I'm sure several black guys think its funny blowing up the cracker. So I can see for a couple hours a week what its like. Inchiefshell has seen what its like for 5 minutes and doesn't like it.

The idea of the video is to imagine what a lifetime of that would be like, and really how arbitrary eye color is and when you think of it skin color to judge someone on.

I can see plenty of people finding offense with you referring to your ummmmmmmm subcontractor, laborer, whateverthehellhewas as "the help"...

Normally used by uppity rich white people to refer to their domestic staff.

Probably a combination of things but I do think it would be easy to assume you were talking down to him and he may have felt it was because he was black and not just a very poor choice of words on your part.

Meh. I want my 35 minutes back.

LMAO @ any ****in cracker who thinks that getting pounded by the bruthas in the weekly football game, or having someone refuse to cut their hair is in any way, shape, or form, some kind of glimpse into racism. That's the most self serving, stupid ass shit I've ever heard.

This.

Hey! I'm wading through this video that you suggested. Would you please respond to my thread, or would that be too white of you to do?


God, don't get offended by that, I'm just ****ing around... Can you admit that a white man has issues in todays society and it's a direct reflection of his race? I am getting out of the Army because of an out of control black man, that simple. Do I think its because he is black that he is an asshole? Yes, I do. He does not like me because I am white. Nobody will buy that though because I'm white.

He's only an asshole because he's been discriminated against his whole life.

Its a glimpse however brief.

FYP

Dammit, happening to be white is a pain in the ass... or is it? Shit, you should see some of the hell I catch for being married to a border jumper. This video buffering thing is annoying as hell.... Italy has slow internet.

No, sir. I was a little loud mouthed in my previous post but I disagree vehemently. You CHOOSE to put yourself in that situation every week. ICH chooses to walk into that convenience store, or that barber shop. Black folk don't have a choice.

I've been obese since I was born. I never knew any better, and no one taught me any better. You don't think fat people are put down and made to feel lesser to the extent that they feel worthless? You think those feelings of worthlessness can't lead to one being unable to overcome their own circumstances? That's exactly what racism does to black people.

You won't hear me say that I have some level of understanding. I don't. My obesity is still a choice.

:(

I'm going to go hug the first fat black guy I see.

I didn't take the post about the barbershop as an attempt to equate the struggles. I just read it as him saying it allowed him a small glimpse of what day to day life is for some black people. The goal of the thread and video seems to be to get white people to better understand what it's like to be a black person in America. If someone posts something that tries to relate to that experience on some level, I don't see how it demeans the struggle of black people, especially if it's done in the right way.
Just because you can never fully understand what it's like it doesn't mean you can't try and relate on some level.

Won't he be surprised!

Oh, and I've dealt with racism from white people...one happened to be my family member. These were sent to me on myspace.

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> dave felt soory for you because your dad was a junkie you half
> blooded bitch i hope u choke i guess half breed junkie kids are
> bread to hide in the military maybe this will work dave was white
> trash you are white trash not a true **my last name** so change your last name
> you are a disgrace to the **MLN** LEGACY THE ONLY REASON MOM
> PROTECTED U WAS BECAUSE YOU ARE A JUNKIES KID THAT IS WHY YOU GOT
> YOUR FACE SMASHED IN THAT IS WHY YOU ARE HALF BLIND AND. YOU
> MARRIED OUT OF YOUR RACE TO A LOUD MOTH WHORE ITS NOT
> YOUR FAULT YOU HAVE NO DIGNITY YOU BURRITO ****ING COWARD YOU WILL
> HIDE FROM ME IF NOT BE A MAN U BITCH LETS GO RAIDERS I AM WAITING
> TILL THE END OF MY TIME.YOU PUNK BTCH person of Hispanic heritage ****ING JUNKIE KID
> WITH NO NAME YOU .............................
>
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>
> u know u are a coward hick from south dakota
>
> u think u are hard but u arent u listen to ni**er music u are
> coward in the us military.ushook my hand and lied to me in my own
> house u bith ni**erloving mexican.u know whats coming i will wait
> until mom dies if i have to u ni**er person of Hispanic heritage lover change your last
> name u dont deserve it u have no balls u are just a stupid hick.
>
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Oh well right? I am white and don't know about racism.

Notice the Raider reference...It's funny how everything relates back to my love for the Chiefs.

Oh, I agree with that. Very poor choice of words. Here I was feeling talked down to and disrespected and in defense of myself I did the same thing to my friend who was helping.

You should have said, "Hey, don't you see I'm friends with a black guy?" "He probably has a gun, and since he's my friend I must be willing to do crazy shit around him, so watch yo mouf homie."

Heh - well, I'm not anything close to that person - I meant it literally as the guys who were helping me.

So, basically he felt like I was calling him a servant.... I guess that would explain his reaction then.

That was pretty ignorant of me.

I find it hard to believe that you just thought that at this exact moment. Am I missing something?

Maybe the video was right about you white people.

Doesn't that actually prove that you aren't prone to having racist thoughts? It didn't even cross your mind at the time that what you said could be construed as being taken that way.

<3 Phil

I only know rich white uppity people do it because I watch Real Housewives of Orange County and read smutty historical romances.

No, of course I've since considered the possibility and I am more careful about the descriptors used for the people who take money from me in exchange for their time and effort. Heh. I usually just say workers but I should probably start calling them engineers or something to make them all feel much better about it.

they'll probably want a pay raise if you call them engineers

I don't know. I used to be fairly racist with my thoughts - I've admitted that much... Bad experiences with some very urban youth colored my perspective.... errr - you know what I mean.

But I've been enlightened since. I really don't give it much thought any longer unless I see a particularly rugged looking urban kid. I really, really don't get the whole dread-lock thing either. But I don't understand when white people do it too so maybe that doesn't necessarily count.

Have you ever used that expression (the help) to describe one of your non-minority employees?

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I never said its the "black experience" or anything else. Its like licking an onion is to eating Vichysoisse. Never said otherwise.

Have you ever beat a dead horse?

I've never been in such proximity to a dead horse that would be prerequisite for striking it.

Fair enough. Is it because I'm white?

Prior to that event - likely, though I can't be certain because it never occurred to me that it would be construed negatively. I know I've been referred to as "the help" by an old guy whose house I was rebuilding in Leawood. I remember it as being slightly strange but I wasn't offended by it. I do acknowledge that I'm an exception to most rules because I just don't care about words too much. I continue to use "fabulous" despite the gay connotation and I'm sure there are other examples. I don't like political correctness but I do find N-bombs to be incredibly inappropriate and I do confront anybody who uses the slur whether they're black or white.

There you go keeping the black man down again... It's their word afterall, right?

Well, black folks are pretty shocked when I'm ballsy enough to say something about it. It's not something that frequently occurs but it has happened.

Well, when you ask for something to put into your soup they don't yell at you, right? ;)

Mike Mas... What happened with your job in that case? You never followed up on what happened?

Phil... You have asked people to stop using it in my presence... :clap: That I can speak for.

Mike: It's NOT our word dumbass. Or are you kidding again? :shrug:

Donger, after watching the vid... you pull your head out of the sand a lil bit about what's actually happening outside of suburbia?

It went to shit. Horrible massive piles of shit. And he is still the boss, and I'm leaving the Army.

Errr, that was in England in case you didn't notice the accents and bad teeth.

94% of what I'm saying is intended to be humorous. I watched the movie, not really swayed either way, but I went into it with a negative attitude. She probably woulda kicked me out, she's a bitch and I don't completely understand the implied plight of the black man.

Did you walk away with a sense of how we've altered our lives and treated differently because of our skin color?

Can you expand on that? Why do I feel like I'm pulling teeth?

Did you walk away with a sense of understanding smartass?