Why must we continue to think they're going to draft Clausen? They aren't.

We didn't win one when we had a Pro Bowl QB and the #1 rated offense.

Don't say the biggest reason we didn't win was QB play. There are many factors.

Why do people continue to support the same stupid shit this team has been doing for 30 years?

I don't really think anyone thinks the Chiefs will take Clausen but it's nice to think our team might for once do something different. But no we'll play it safe, 9-7 is all they need.

So, right now there are at least 9 people who voted in this poll that should simply **** off...
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9 out of 10 Super Bowl winners have a franchise QB. The Chiefs don't, and haven't for 40 years.

I wonder why Okung is in the poll since it's blatantly obvious he's going ahead of the Chiefs pick.

Other than DeBerg beating Todd Marinovich in the playoffs, this franchise hasn't won a playoff game without a Hall of Fame QB leading it. That should tell you what we need to win.

When did I say that?

Again, all I'm saying is that we will not draft Clausen, no matter whether anyone on this board thinks we should or not.

You'd think the Chiefs fan base would get it more than any other, numerous times the Chiefs had the better team on the field and lost to the team with the superior QB.

Yet, it's still not understood.

We're arguing about what they should do, not what they will do.

Great, on the same token don't try to sell me the shit log that is Matt Cassel, we're not winning shit with him. Which is what you were doing a bit ago.

And no one really wants to talk about what the Chiefs will do, last years draft was an abortion so what we have to go on is not pretty. It's better to talk about what they should do.

We were 30th in yards allowed last year, 29th in points allowed, and 31st in run defense.

Drafting another QB will not solve those problems.

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Another?

You know they have more than 1 pick right?

It's much harder to find a QB outside of the first than it is any other position.

He was trying to make a point. They're not drafting Clausen because their GM/coaching staff believes they have their QBotF, just like the Chiefs.

Croyle is still filling the draft a QB quota, the Chiefs can only use 1 pick in the first 4 rounds on a QB every 6 years, otherwise, it's to many.

Another meaning one in addition to what we already have.

He's not the future. He's the here and now, and he ****ing sucks.

28. 20 mother****ing 8.

We don't have a QB, so that's why we need to draft one.

I've stress this many times on here, biggest reason Chiefs haven't won a bowl or a playoff game in years was because they weren't balanced on both sides of the ball.

They either had a great offense, and no defense or a great defense and no offense. Balance wins! And is the key to success in any professional sport.

If you lineup Trent Green and that #1 rated offense, with a top 10 defense those years, Chiefs would've won bowls. And many here wouldn't be saying you NEED a franchise quarterback if you want to a SB.

28 year old QB's that rode the pine since high school should be looked at the same as 5 star recruits that started 3 years and were top 5 picks and are 22.

1a berry
1b clausen


IMO these really should be all we think about

See if you wanna talk about what the Chiefs will do, I think OT and WR are their first 2 picks, I think that's really stupid so that's why I'd rather not talk about it.

Im a big fan of Suh. If he is there at #5, slight chance of that happening, but if he is, I'd take him over both Berry or Clausen.

So you want 3 straight 5 techs?

funny that you throw out shit that happened under a TOTALLY different regime, and yesterday corrected someone when they smacked on buffalo that they changed regimes so the past really couldnt be considered. so in all honesty we have seen this happen only ONCE with this regime no?

He's had more success than Alex Smith or David Carr. The failure rate for 1st Rd QBs is as high as any other position.

Pioli took the consensus best FA available a year ago, who he knew better than anyone and had just led a team to 11-5. It was the smart move to make.

Berry
there will always be Bret Favre

Did Buffalo's GM make their first big player move the same shit the last Gm would have done?

We've moved on someone elses backup QB numerous times and here it is yet again.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

It was a shitty move at the time and still is today. Trading for Cassel never was a smart move, unless we were going to rape Denver or Tampa Bay with him.

We should ask voyager.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chiefs seriously look at drafting Dan Williams if they view Branden Albert as a solid LT for many years and don't think that Safety is worth taking at #5. That is, if they don't get a reasonable trade down offer.

GAY!!!!!!!!

Consensus?

Were you here when no one wanted anything to do with Matt Cassel and then the trade happened and 95% of those people flipped their stances?

JFC Dan Williams is NOT a top 5 pick.

It's going to be a bunch of offense, these guys are invested in Cassel. They have a ton riding on him they need to make him look like he wasn't a ****ed up decision so here come the cover your ass moves.

I can live with Croyle and Cassel
Pollard and Brown memories
not so much

pretty much this baby

And Tyson Jackson was?

Ok so your argument is, "Our front office is ****ing dumb"

I don't look at it that way.

I view him as a player that has the ability to dominate at the next level. He has such great versitility, you can line him up at either the 4-3 or 3-4 he gives you many options on defense, and imo will change the face of a defense, a guy you can build around. He is a rare talent coming out.

I haven't seen anybody with that kinda size to have both the combination of great strength, power and explosiveness like he has. Plus, he uses his hands very very well. The dude can disengage well at the point of attack and shed blocks. He plays like a men amongst boys at the collegiate level, I can only imagine what he is going to do at the pro level. I think he has the most important attributes that are necessary for DL to be great. Add to the fact he has a nastiness and mean streak about him better than most lineman that are coming out. I think he is the best player in the draft.

i could care less what buffalo did. the POINT IS that this regime is different. you cant say what will happen with ANY amount of certainty. same as the different regime in buffalo.

Who?
Who is this "some of you" you are imagining that wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a rookie in his first year and an NFL vet who has regressed?

It's easy to make up scenerios when you use the vagueness you employ here.

No matter what happens this is going to be an ugly place the night they draft the first round. I love it.

No, my argument is that Pioli will take who he wants, not who was mocked to him by Todd McShay.

If they don't view Safety as a position worth investing that high on, it very well could be Dan Williams. You say that they want to hedge their bets with Cassel, but why wouldn't they do the same with Tyson Jackson (even if the thought of taking another defensive lineman makes me want to vomit)?

I'm firmly aboard the Berry bandwagon, but I wouldn't be shocked to see them take the other Tennessee player.

i think he was talking about writers and people around the NFL, not message board gurus

Suh would be a waste of a pick. He's not a NT and we already drafted two 3-4 DEs. And I don't see us going to a 4-3 if we draft him.

Trading for someone elses backup QB is the shit Carl did for 20 years, how hard is that to understand.

I'm sure there would be a number of people pissed off if we took Sanchez and he had a poor first year. There would be people still calling for us to draft Clausen and have them both compete.

Hell, there have been people saying that we should draft a QB early every year until we find the right one, even though each one will only get 1 season to start.

Sorry I don't remember everybody's name and exactly what they post. I'll be sure to try harder.

Most of the people who absolutely despise Cassel would be a lot more patient with a rookie QB.

28 year olds don't get the same time or patience as rookies do that's completely different. You move on a guy Cassel's age that's a win now player, he's expected to be good right now.

That's basically comparing apples to oranges, if Sanchez plays 6 years and never improves then that's a problem.

i think everyone understands that, SOME just dont think we can assume that will be the status quo after ONE YEAR.

I don't even get your argument, what is it?

Hey we traded for Cassel but we might draft a QB someday!

Its worst than status quo, Pioli made moves last year that would make Carl look like a HOF GM.

No, but there's actually a guy that will be there that's a legit player and a player of glaring need on this team.

Pretty much...

"I love this time of year when teams make cuts, evaluate blah blah blah"

Claims guy from Patriots as the 1 move.

Cassel has played 2 seasons. He has 2 seasons of wear on his body, 2 seasons of actual experience.

It's not unheard of for QBs to play well into their late 30's, and he's not a guy who's been starting since he was 21. He could easily play for another 10 years. The age thing is irrelevant.

I disagree. Suh would be an outstanding choice, and imo would turn this defense around.

He'd only be a waste if the Chiefs stuck with both Dorsey, and TJ. Then it wouldn't make sense to draft him. But if they drafted him I couldn't see that happening. Dorsey would be expendible and I'd expect the Chiefs to trade him.

But, I will say, I'd pick Suh only because I feel or believe he is a better player and fit than Dorsey. So if they drafted him, I think Dorsey could possibly be the odd man out.

And I completely agree that Berry should be the pick, hence why I said that I wouldn't be surprised to see it, even though I wouldn't agree with it. I'm just trying to steer the conversation toward a scenario that could actually happen.

There is something wrong....when you never start in your college career.

are you kidding me? my argument is that you are assuming that pioli will never draft a qb high. so far theres nothing to back up your claim. he traded for cassel. got a fairly good deal if cassel works out. if not he made the contract where he could get away from the guy. THAT should say something about how patient pioli will be with this situation. if he was tied to him why not backload the contract? why make it be essentially the same as 2 years of the franchise tag?

So let's take one person to make another one a wasted pick. FFS.....

Now you're argument is stupid if you're going to argue Cassel is a rookie why wouldn't you draft the guy who's really a rookie?

What the **** do you think the guy is Chris Weinke?

This is frankly a double sided argument, he is not a rookie and the age is not irrelevant no matter how bad some people want it to be.

If that's really you're argument then our GM is even dumber than first thought.

:rolleyes:
not when you back up 2 heisman winners and one of them was the runner up another year IIRC:

Right now that deal sucks, we got a shitty QB, a broke dick LB and took a shitty end with a top 3 pick.

Hold me back.

Yeah, he picked the wrong school or was extremely unlucky. He happened to play behind two Heisman trophy winners.

Cassel was suppose to be out Leinart...he didn't, that should tell you something.

Well, if Suh could improve your team a heck of a lot better and then knowing that there is a great chance the Chiefs will get good value in return for a young Glenn dorsey, I don't see anything wrong with that.

A sophmore slump
interesting

Interesting shit here.

Except you have no clue if Suh could improve your team or not. You're HOPING that he can.

He's not a rookie and I never said he was one. He's a player who has played 2 NFL seasons and doesn't have the wear and tear of 3 seasons in college and however many in the NFL, but has experience leading a team to success in the NFL. It's really an unprecedented situation.

Regardless, his health at 28 is much different than Ben Roethlisberger's at 28. (Please don't twist my words to say that I think he's as good as Roethlisberger. I'm using him as an example because they're the same age)

lol okay

Oh...so now Suh is a sure thing?

Yet Leinart still won the Heisman trophy, which is given to the best player in college football. I don't see how that can be a strike against Cassel.

That 1 FACT alone should end all the Cassel nuthugging!Lmao.
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Leinart, who won the Heisman, was the 3rd string QB. Cassel was SO great at QB that he played TE and WR.

Cassel was suppose to be the starter and couldn't beat him out.

This is working against you guys. He was supposed to be the starter and couldn't beat him out.

So you're saying he was supposed to be better than the eventual Heisman trophy winner?

He was Palmer's backup, Palmer graduated - Cassel was next in line. He sucked dick and Leinart won the spot. Not that hard.