Safety is an important position on defense. Do you think the Saints win the SB without someone like Darren Sharper?

Does this place exist?

A guy with google? I don't stalk anyone. Someone else posted this picture of a momma's basement dwelling nerd who hasn't seen daylight in god knows how long and seems to believe he is a tough guy. Photo shopped a dildo in his hand, and the rest is hilarious history.

Oh yea Manchester my bad.

You post the same shit over and over. I guess it'll be funny when randos call your house over and over. You can't find my Facebook info on google dumbass you were stocking me.

The only scenerio I wouldn't take Berry is if Suh somehow fell which allegedly is a scenerio if the Lions decide to go OT although I do not see it as likely. What are the Chiefs going to do? I am afraid they are going to reach and take a tackle.

I suppose you believe I deal in satin crystals too? Renob.

What are you talking about phuqtard? Doomy posted that shit. I just continue to think you are hilarious looking.

Who do you take if you don't go safety? Personally, if I was told Pioli won't go safety or QB and I have to make a pick it would be Bryant. If I was forced to go with a corner I'd take Wilson over Haden.

You aren't very smart thats obvious.

If he takes Bryant after all that right 53 shit I'll laugh my balls off.

It is important I agree, but, it still doesn't address the most important need on this defense, that is, the passrush.

Dude he signed Shaun Smith and Chris Chambers. That theory is already bogus.

There aren't pass rushers worth a top 5 pick.

Okay but I hope they find one somewhere in this draft because Berry or no Berry, I don't care who they throw back there if they have to give the quarterback all day to throw just like last year then all teams are going to do is find ways to pick us apart over and over and over again.

Berry on the safety blitz jumps high and deflects the ball to himself, returning it for a pick six. Duh.

Considering Vrabel just got resigned something tells me they aren't planning on drafting pass rushing OLB's, matter of fact..NE has never done that nor have they ever really had a big time sack guy. Take that for what it's worth.

On the Vrabel subject....

I'm good with the signing IF, and only IF, Romeo has enough brainpower to figure out that Vrabel needs to play inside, and DJ needs to play outside. Vrabel isn't the 12 sack guy he was in New England, for crissake. Surely these professional coaches can figure out that you put the guy with better speed and athleticism outside in a 3-4, right?

It is relative. I can argue punter is an important job. What other player in one play can change field position as dramatically? But obviously there are many positions that are more important.

Eric Berry's talent is what makes this debatable. Guys like him don't come along every year.

I do not expect the Chiefs to take him. Not b/c I don't think they should. Quite the contrary. It's not the NE way.

Jesus, I would love to see DJ get more blitz opportunity.

Shit, all of us would. Hali on one side, and DJ on the other? They're not Neil and Derrick, but ****, they'd be better than anything we've had for a number of years.......

Derrick Johnson does not have the size nor block shedding ability to beat a OT on a pass rush.

The Chiefs frankly still don't have personnel for this scheme.

They never really had elite passrushers, but they sure did get to the quarterback well as a team during their championship seasons.

Any possible way they can improve the passrush, be it, by adding one or by doing so as a team, whatever. They must improve in that area, I hope they're focusing there and not taking it w/ a grain of salt because it is atrocious, and if they don't improve there then I can't see this defense taking that next step forward.

But one thing I do know that is for certain, they need linebackers. Get many of them in here. They could use two new ILB's and a few OLBs. Just revamp the whole damn LBing corps.

I agree, but with the 3-4 confusion is supposed to get more sack ops over one-on-one battles.

DJ can close space quickly before whiffing on the QB when given the chance.

Yeah, but, he does have the speed. Unfortunately for us we don't take advantage of it very often.

Also Derrick Johnson spends most of his time on the bench just because.

Because of the bone headed decisions made by the coach.

If you're talking about trying to bullrush a tackle, then yes, I agree.

That guy is still the coach....

This team lacks personnel and Derrick Johnson is not suited to play OLB in the scheme either.

Okay...

I'm sure that most people in the league who value a franchise left tackle over a franchise safety are morons. Idiots. Nincompoops.

It's why guys like you should be in charge of football teams at the pro level. So you can draft a safety over a left tackle, be happy about it, and wonder why your quarterbacks are getting hospitalized on a weekly basis and you have no running game.

Do you really think that anyone who is in the decision making process at the NFL level is, if faced with choosing between what is hands down the best left tackle in a draft or the best safety in the draft with the needs of each position being relatively equal, going to take the safety over the left tackle? If so, you are the one who is truly a moron.

That's why you pick a QB instead ...:)

Yeah but I disagree w/ Haley DJ is still better than D. Williams and Corey Mays, it sucks to see this team sit him on the bench for most of the season not play the better player and not taking advantage of his talents.

You're valuing position over player...

What if Russell Okung is a solid starter that never makes a pro bowl while Berry is Reed. An ok OT is not better than a perennial pro bowler.

The Patriots made moves for Randy Moss and Corey Dillon. What's your point? I don't think it's necessarily all about being a great guy. Vrabel is the worlds biggest asshole. Who cares. I don't think their against slight diva's and assholes, just don't want idiots. If you play in the NFL and make tons of cash, and have no other way of making said cash, yet proceed to do illegal drugs during the season or times of drug testing you're just an idiot. Also guys who are locker room cancers, Smith had his fallout in Cleveland, under Crennel, if Crennel is cool with it, I'm sure it was addressed and agreed an non issue. Maybe Quinn had it coming? :shrug:

Maybe he's not the prototypical OLB in a 3-4, but he'd be better used on the outside. Let him use his speed to chase down runningbacks and get to the passer rather than trying to cover short zones and tight ends. I am under no illusions that DJ at OLB is the answer for this defense, but come on. Why would you keep him inside and Vrabel outside at this point?

And now we've come to the realization of why this team has a problem moving forward, the best player doesn't always play. the coach plays favorites etc etc.

I have to ask:


Where the **** did this come from? ROFL

I don't know why either one is even still here, Vrabel is done and Johnson doesn't fit the defense.

DJ has always played better in space. Get him away from the blockers and allow him to use his speed to make plays.


Instead, we try to jam a square peg into a round hole.

The problem with your post is this - we already have a left tackle. Not only is left tackle NOT a need for this team, but you're suggesting that we put a rookie at left tackle this season, and move our existing left tackle to a new position. We would be truly ****ed if that were to happen.

Derrick Johnson really isn't suited to play any position in a 3-4, he doesn't want to deal with blockers and basically every LB in that scheme has to, it's why they're all bigger.

This. Plenty of championships have been won with an average LT. Plenty of championships have been won with average safeties.


Guess what position demands more than an average player?

I think this team w/ Vrabel, DJ, and Studebaker have good role players or Id even say those guys provide good depth.

Now, they just NEED starters. Get 3 new starters in here to solidify the LBing corps. Id say Hali is a starter, but Im being nice when I say that.

Our fan base loves offensive lineman, actually a ton of fan bases do now and I realize why...

After guys like Mark Schelerth and Merrill Hodge etc etc got hired to work on national TV and they constantly pumped how offensive line is important it's a cliche line for casual fan to say to sound smart.

Pay attention.

Outside of that, I'm not aware of any problems with Chambers.

Personally, I don't care if they are all free agents. Seventh round draft choices. As long as they can play effectively in the system, that's all that matters. And it's painfully obvious that there are players on the offensive line that have not shown the proclivity to be effective to this point in their careers.

Frankly, I don't care about a draft position for any player. Priest Holmes was an UDFA but in the Vermeil system, he was as good a running back as I have ever seen. Will Shields might have been the best right guard to have ever played in the NFL and he was a third round pick.

However, if we have the chance to draft the best LT in the draft and have a need for a LT, which I believe we do, then you do it. That's it.

No matter how good Berry is, he's a ****ing safety. And as good as he is, he didn't do anything above and beyond a number of guys at his same position in this draft.

To spend the #5 pick on a guy who will be nothing more than a roamer in this defense is a real big stretch. I like the guy a lot, but let's be realistic about this. He's a safety.

I mean, shit. One of the greatest free safeties to ever play in the NFL was an undrafted college punter who got cut his first go 'round in the NFL. If you can make a ****ing punter a world class safety, why in the hell would you piss away a top five pick on one?

That's not it. The reality, as usual... is somewhere in the middle. People either act like it's either the thing or it doesn't matter. You included. And of course it's important... I don't know about an all-star team but having a 1st round talent at LT usually a great advantage. It's not as important as QB but guys like Pace and Ogden won Super Bowls. I don't think you need 1st round picks across the line... but it's funny that the QB everybody loves is Mark Sanchez, and he is playing behind a line of four 1st round picks. The irony is pretty thick there.

But another part of it is Chiefs fans obviously remember the offensive success we had when we had a great offensive line. People will rebut with "how many playoff games they won" which of course is BS because they were about 0% responsible for us losing any playoff games.

But the money that was pumped into that line did play into how much they could put into other players...

When you have an extremely highly paid guard what are you sacrificing for that? Look I'd be fine with taking a LT with a top 5 pick if the guy was an elite prospect, does anyone think Okung is the 2nd coming of Walter Jones?

Being the best player at your position in a draft doesn't make you a great player, this happens every year. When there's no elite prospect at a position so the top guy gets treated like he is, then the team wonders why their pick sucks.

Thank you. And I've stressed this sooooo many times on here. Do you think it goes into the minds of some people? It goes in one ear and out the other. I'll say it again, the Chiefs didn't win in the playoffs because they didn't have a well balanced team. It's as simple as that.

You're right offensive line had nothing to do with their playoff losses when you have no defense and Peyton Manning throws for a perfect game against you, well, chances are you are going to lose the football game.

Which brings us to our current line, and specifically, Albert. I can't figure out if people want us to draft Okung or one of his peers because they think Albert is a bust (which is just crazy talk, imo), or if they are looking for what you stated - a line full of guys that carry the "first round" mantra.

Quite for truth.

Average is disappointing for a 1st round LT, but average is also good enough for the position.


Taking a LT at 5 is ****ing stupid.

I think he's talking about the Schottemheimer years.

The point is still the same.
The chiefs haven't had balance consistantly since hank's years minus a couple of years with montana.

It's completely tragic. If I was a Redskins fan and they passed on Okung (who might not even be there when they pick as Detroit really doesn't want to see Stafford on the IR ever again), I'd pick up the pitchfork and torch and head off towards Snyder's house.

Yes, it did. Charles showed exceptional fluidity and vision when he was finally given the chance. But it was not because the offensive line suddenly "got it" and were opening these massive holes to run through. Charles has a fantastic burst and is able to accelerate very quickly. He also has a knack for avoiding initial contact at the first level. I'm not making the comparison, but Barry Sanders was able to rack up some very impressive yardage over the course of his career behind a rather lackluster offensive line. An offensive line that got their QB pressured a ton, did nothing in the red zone, etc.

The line still gave up a ton of QB hits and pressures, penalties, etc., even when Charles took over lead RB duties at the midway point of the season.

Mike Goff was pretty well respected in the league prior to his release by the Chargers. All I'm saying is that teams just don't cut guys for no reason. I like Lilja and it's nice to see him come home. (Lake Quivira kid.)

No. I really like Okung and think he would be a perfect fit for this system. If he's not available, I'd like to see the Chiefs pick up Berry.

That's fine. It's just a matter of opinion in terms of looking at the Chiefs' needs. I don't think Albert has the skill set to be truly effective as a left tackle in a zone blocking system. I don't think he's shown enough to be given another year to make his case. I think that Okung is the prototype for a LT, especially for what the Chiefs want. I think that Albert could be an All-Pro at the LG spot in this system. I think that having Okung and Albert on the left side would provide an insanely good wall for a QB to work behind. I think that there isn't much in the way of LT in the next two drafts and if they have a chance at a guy like Okung and pass it would be a bad thing. I think that it's a moot point as both Detroit and Washington would be ****ing reeruned for passing on Okung. (Same could be said about Tampa Bay because they don't have shit at offensive tackle either.)

The same can be said for virtually every position on the football field with the exception of left tackle and quarterback. And if the left tackle doesn't pan out at left tackle, they can be moved to right tackle, left guard or right guard and be pretty effective. You can't do that with many/any other positions on the football field.

The Redskins are broke. It's what happens when a lazy, non-motivated defensive tackle constitutes 40% of your entire teams payroll/salary cap. I don't see them opening the Brinks truck for a mid-30's QB anyway, but they have to upgrade their offensive line and Shanahan has shown that he will pick tackles in the first round. Even if Okung gets picked by the Lions, which I suspect will happen, I still see the Redskins going with either Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga.

How so?

2009 season comparison:
Albert:
Snaps: 920
Sacks: 7
Penalties: 13
QB Hits: 9

Heyer:
Snaps: 974
Sacks: 8
Penalties: 9
QB Hits: 10

Difference doesn't seem all that "stark" to me.

I don't think that the coach plays favorites. Belcher ended up as the starter at MLB and was playing pretty well. DJ had his head up his ass the whole season during practice, probably due to the prima donna treatment he received at the hands of Herm, and didn't do anything to earn a starting spot. Regardless of his potential, which is huge, he's been soft in terms of his general attitude since he came into the league. If he can step it up, I think he'll be very effective as a ILB in this system. He can't shed the blocks well enough to be an OLB in a 3-4, but his speed and instinct will allow him to be a damn fine ILB if he wants to be one.

What if Okung ends up an All-Pro and Berry is Michael Huff v.II?

What if both end up solid starters versus Pro Bowlers who would you rather have?

As of right now, no one knows how either will end up in terms of their careers in the NFL. If Okung isn't an NFL left tackle, at least he can be moved to three other positions on the line and be a quality starter at any of those. If Berry isn't a starting caliber NFL safety, then he's a special team guy at best.

Also, all of the people saying "Draft Berry because we have Albert" haven't considered the situation with Jarrad Page. Is Page, comparatively, better or worse at his position than Albert at this point? I'd say better. So, why is it okay to draft Berry and move Page, versus draft Okung and move Albert?

I'll take my chances with Okung if the two are available.

not a snowballs chance in hell is Jarrad Page a better positional player than Albert at this point in their Chief careers. It's not even close. Page is pure garbage at safety (not to mention a sure fire liability) compared to a serviceable Albert on the line.

I'd rather give up 8 sacks in a year then have a safety who gets beat over the top for a 50 yard pass every Sunday. That's how I measure it.

Shit. I never knew that. I better switch over to the NFL Network so I can get a dose of reality and insight from Deion Sanders, Matt Millen and Rod Woodson.

How many Redskins games did you watch? Heyer played a lot of the year on the right side as well.

The combination of LJ and Cassel made the OL look FAR worse than they actually were.

Im hoping that the staff saw this as well and will address the proper needs accordingly.

Redskins will need a LT becuase they just traded for McNabb and their line was terrible last year.
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And the league is moving in this direction. More, and more passing makes the safety position more valuable, and the youngsters recognizing this, or looking up to guys like Reed, and Polo, are staying at S at young ages.
Safety will be a premier position in the not too distant future.
Hopefully Pioli is up with the times. Berry IS worth a top 5 pick in today's NFL.

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