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TheGuardian 06-21-2010 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6835546)
If you read through this thread I have said pretty much the same thing. I am however picking Lesnar because of speed and his ability to bulldog opponents. I would not put any real money on it, A. because I really do not know, B. I really do not care~
No I read it but what I am saying is, his ability to "bulldog" guys is because the size difference has been so dramatic. Now he's fighting a guy that is near his own size so I think that won't play a part.

KcMizzou 06-21-2010 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6835546)
If you read through this thread I have said pretty much the same thing. I am however picking Lesnar because of speed and his ability to bulldog opponents. I would not put any real money on it, A. because I really do not know, B. I really do not care~
I care enough to watch, that's for sure.

It would not surprise me a bit to see Brock get the takedown, control and pound Carwin out.

But, Lesnar needs to be put in his place a bit, IMO. It shouldn't be this easy... for anyone.

It's not like the guy wouldn't bounce back. A lot of fighters do, after truly being beaten for the first time. (Lesnar considers the loss to Mir a fluke.)

I wanna see him get KTFO... and see how he responds.

MadMax 06-21-2010 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6835485)
Lesnar doesn't have a single knock out to his credit. There is a reason for that. His stand up is sub-par and Carwin will expose that. There is no chance in hell that Lesnar stands and trades with Carwin because he'll get KTFO in the first minute.

Lesnar laying on top of Carwin is quite funny. Couture had no problem standing up from Brock being on top over and over again. And Carwin has a great wrestling back ground as well. This one won't get out of the first unless Lesnar simply does some lay n pray.


You seem to be an asshole but I'll say Lesnar does brings Carwin to the ground and beats the shit out of him. I actually like both fighters, but you are an asshole so I pick Lesnar.

KcMizzou 06-21-2010 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 6835589)
You seem to be an asshole but I'll say Lesnar does brings Carwin to the ground and beats the shit out of him. I actually like both fighters, but you are an asshole so I pick Lesnar.
LMAO

Duck Dog 06-21-2010 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6835357)
Mir sucks.
Hate him or love hom, Mir is a bonified bad mother****er. His jujitsu is world class.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MadMax (Post 6835589)
You seem to be an asshole but I'll say Lesnar does brings Carwin to the ground and beats the shit out of him. I actually like both fighters, but you are an asshole so I pick Lesnar.
So if you're wrong I guess that makes you a whole ass.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6835417)
UFC offered him the biggest most insane ($$$) MMA contract for a handful of fights. I know a lot of people don't like Dana White, but Bud Selig is the biggest ****ing idiot in all of pro league commish's and you don't see MLB players saying "I don't like Selig, I'm going to Japan to play, it's a great league w/ great players".

In Strikeforce, since they're so small, just like Affliction, are pretty much basing most of their programming off of Fedor, whom by the way pretty much gets to fight on his terms and nothing else but his terms.

Put it this way, I've heard Lesnar say many times that he'd love to fight Fedor. Not once have I heard Fedor say that he would love to fight Lesnar. Because he doesn't. He knows he's much smaller and much weaker. In a cage, Brock would smother him up against the cage wall and control the fight.

Fedor, nor his bullshit M1 Global company want to see "The Greatest MMA HW Fighter in the World" lable to get taken away although that lable is fading away as he chooses to stay in Strikeforce. The russians want to protect his image.
ROFL, so the best fighter shouldnt be able to fight on his terms? and the UFC wanted to lock him up for 6 fights. i'm pretty sure he would do a 1 or 2 fight deal.

BUT that would have him going back to russia with the UFC championship belt

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6834973)
huh really? better check again



rampage - yes big ego want to be a movie star
cro cop - i'm pretty sure he is still in the UFC
fedor - won't sign unless he can co promote, yes to big ego
the list goes on and on
What exactly is your point? You are wrong.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6835946)
ROFL, so the best fighter shouldnt be able to fight on his terms? and the UFC wanted to lock him up for 6 fights. i'm pretty sure he would do a 1 or 2 fight deal.

BUT that would have him going back to russia with the UFC championship belt
This.

Fedor would crush Lesnar.

pr_capone 06-22-2010 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6835497)
Cain Velasquez will get the next Title shot. Dana's pretty much already said that.
Brown Pride will lose that fight regardless of whom he is up against. Dos Santos is something else entirely. I'm seriously impressed by him.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6835946)
ROFL, so the best fighter shouldnt be able to fight on his terms? and the UFC wanted to lock him up for 6 fights. i'm pretty sure he would do a 1 or 2 fight deal.

BUT that would have him going back to russia with the UFC championship belt
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836025)
This.

Fedor would crush Lesnar.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dana White
<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=0 width=150 align=right border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/uplo...a_TB150_10.jpg</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- /templateDebugMode: end template: articlePages/articlePage.html - templateCell: pageDefault.embeddedMedia -->"Listen I have come to the realization and everyone else needs to too that Fedor [Emeliananko] doesn’t want to fight the best guys in the world. Believe me when I tell you guys I have done everything in my power, I have flown to crazy parts of the world, done all this stuff, been on the phone for hours, not hung out with my kids on weekends because I’m on the phone with these lunatics and just can’t make the deal. They don’t want to do it so we gotta get over it."

http://www.mmatorch.com/artman2/publ...cle_5838.shtml

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 09:36 AM
Well Dana said that so it must be gospel.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836134)
Well Dana said that so it must be gospel.
Haters will hate.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 09:50 AM
Ummmm you're the one hating on Fedor.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836155)
Ummmm you're the one hating on Fedor.
He is a great fighter but don't try to tell me he wants to fight the best. He has had that chance and decided not to. He can be King of the second string.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6835949)
What exactly is your point? You are wrong.
ROFL ok bud, better do some more research.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6836173)
He is a great fighter but don't try to tell me he wants to fight the best. He has had that chance and decided not to. He can be King of the second string.
OMG like I said all along you don't have a ****ing clue about this MMA thing.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836432)
OMG like I said all along you don't have a ****ing clue about this MMA thing.
Get Fedor's nuts outa your mouth.

BIG_DADDY 06-22-2010 02:31 PM
Depends on what Lesnar we get.

CoMoChief 06-22-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836432)
OMG like I said all along you don't have a ****ing clue about this MMA thing.
Yeah, tell us all how Fedor has claimed that he wants to fight the best. Because CLEARLY he doesn't.

Peyton Manning wouldnt go play in the CFL if he was offered 1 Trillion Dollars. Lets put it that way.

RNR 06-22-2010 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6835550)
No I read it but what I am saying is, his ability to "bulldog" guys is because the size difference has been so dramatic. Now he's fighting a guy that is near his own size so I think that won't play a part.
That is why most want to see this. Lesnar has some Clay/Ali in his persona. Some will pay to root for him, most others will pay to see him get his ass kicked. He really does not bother me and his cocky act adds interest. He is fighting a guy that has the size that he cannot just run over. That said I have never seen a man that big move as fast or have the type of agility he displays. Carwin has the striking ability to end it with a shot. It is a much needed match up because the biggest badest sells. That is what happened to boxing the heavyweights became a group of also rans. The lighter weight fighters are fun to watch but if you want to draw the casual fan it takes the big boys in a hyped match IMO

BigCatDaddy 06-22-2010 03:46 PM
For some reason I think this could be one of the better main events UFC has put on in some time. Most of the one's lately seem to not live up to the hype. I can't think of a great one since Machido/Rua 1.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6836571)
Get Fedor's nuts outa your mouth.
I'm not even a big Fedor fan dumbass. I think his management is the problem and that he has surrounded himself with people who don't have cementing his legacy in mind.

That said, the guy has crushed virtually everyone that he's been put up against. Until someone beats him, he's the best.

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Yeah, tell us all how Fedor has claimed that he wants to fight the best. Because CLEARLY he doesn't.
See above.

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That is why most want to see this. Lesnar has some Clay/Ali in his persona. Some will pay to root for him, most others will pay to see him get his ass kicked. He really does not bother me and his cocky act adds interest. He is fighting a guy that has the size that he cannot just run over. That said I have never seen a man that big move as fast or have the type of agility he displays. Carwin has the striking ability to end it with a shot. It is a much needed match up because the biggest badest sells. That is what happened to boxing the heavyweights became a group of also rans. The lighter weight fighters are fun to watch but if you want to draw the casual fan it takes the big boys in a hyped match IMO
Always. Because big guys bring devastation. Little guys are fun to watch and they are scrappy, but people want to see people get knocked out. And there is a reason why size DOES matter in a fight, and why there are more knockouts at 205 and HW than all the other divisions combined.

I have never liked Lesnar. Even before his stupid antics after the Mir win. I understand hating to lose, but Mir said nothing that deserved that kind of disrespect and the fans pay his paycheck and he flipped them off for booing. Well yeah they booed you acted like an asshole. I think Lesnar is a complete asshole and I honestly hope that Carwin causes him to have re constructive facial surgery.

RNR 06-22-2010 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836845)
I have never liked Lesnar. Even before his stupid antics after the Mir win. I understand hating to lose, but Mir said nothing that deserved that kind of disrespect and the fans pay his paycheck and he flipped them off for booing. Well yeah they booed you acted like an asshole. I think Lesnar is a complete asshole and I honestly hope that Carwin causes him to have re constructive facial surgery.
You are most likely to young to remember Clay/Ali in his prime. He was an arrogant, brash, disrespectful asshole. He was hated and rightfully so. He admitted he molded himself after Gorgeous George a famous pro wrestler from the 50s. He was a womanizing draft dodging blowhard and his religious conversion was laughable. It was amusing to watch the reinvention of Ali into the beloved hero he is thought of today. He sold more pay for view and tickets to people who wanted nothing more than to see him get his lippy ass kicked. It is an age old shtick and Lesnar is proving as is Mayweather is in boxing that it still sells today~

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6836888)
You are most likely to young to remember Clay/Ali in his prime. He was an arrogant, brash, disrespectful asshole. He was hated and rightfully so. He admitted he molded himself after Gorgeous George a famous pro wrestler from the 50s. He was a womanizing draft dodging blowhard and his religious conversion was laughable. It was amusing to watch the reinvention of Ali into the beloved hero he is thought of today. He sold more pay for view and tickets to people who wanted nothing more than to see him get his lippy ass kicked. It is an age old shtick and Lesnar is proving as is Mayweather is in boxing that it still sells today~
It definitely sells, there's no doubt about that. As you noted, a lot of people will buy just to see if Lesnar gets crushed. I'm one of them. I wanted to see him get smashed into oblivion and I find it hard to fathom how anyone could root for the guy. I could understand how back in the day the black community could get behind Ali. But Lesnar isn't a minority with racial tensions in the air. He's just an asshole. And I can't wait to watch Carwin cave his face in.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 04:39 PM
funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself

RNR 06-22-2010 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836896)
It definitely sells, there's no doubt about that. As you noted, a lot of people will buy just to see if Lesnar gets crushed. I'm one of them. I wanted to see him get smashed into oblivion and I find it hard to fathom how anyone could root for the guy. I could understand how back in the day the black community could get behind Ali. But Lesnar isn't a minority with racial tensions in the air. He's just an asshole. And I can't wait to watch Carwin cave his face in.
Ask Fraizer about how the black community feels about Ali. He ****ed over one of the few who reached out to help him. He painted Joe as a uncle Tom when nothing was farther the truth. People can buy the myth of Ali all they want. He was an asshole plain and simple. As far as the fight I am rooting for a good one nothing more~

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836901)
funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself
Because he just keeps fighting UFC rejects and nobodies. ROFL at Brett Rogers.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6836922)
Because he just keeps fighting UFC rejects and nobodies. ROFL at Brett Rogers.
i'm beginning to think guardian is right. you have NO clue. look up the list, google it, i couldnt copy and paste it for some reason. and THEN look at the dates he beat those guys.


all i have to say is IMPRESSIVE

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:01 PM
Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24


here you go

RNR 06-22-2010 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836944)
i'm beginning to think guardian is right. you have NO clue. look up the list, google it, i couldnt copy and paste it for some reason. and THEN look at the dates he beat those guys.


all i have to say is IMPRESSIVE
It would be cool to see him and the winner of this fight hook up~

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:04 PM
here's brock's for reference

United States Shane Carwin UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 4–1 United States Frank Mir TKO (Punches) UFC 100 02009-07-11 July 11, 2009 2 1:48 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 3–1 United States Randy Couture TKO (Strikes) UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 02008-11-15 November 15, 2008 2 3:07 United States Las Vegas, Nevada Won UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 2–1 United States Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87: Seek and Destroy 02008-08-09 August 9, 2008 3 5:00 United States Minneapolis, Minnesota
Loss 1–1 United States Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) UFC 81: Breaking Point 02008-02-02 February 2, 2008 1 1:30 United States Las Vegas, Nevada UFC Debut
Win 1–0 South Korea Min-Soo Kim Submission (Strikes) Dynamite!! USA 02007-06-02 June 2, 2007 1 1:09 United States Los Angeles, California MMA Debut.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6836952)
It would be cool to see him and the winner of this fight hook up~
i agree wholeheartedly

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:05 PM
and carwin's just for shits and giggles

United States Brock Lesnar UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada, US
Win 12–0 United States Frank Mir KO (Punches) UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy 02010-03-27 March 27, 2010 1 3:48 United States Newark, New Jersey, US Won UFC Interim Heavyweight Championship, Knockout of the Night.
Win 11–0 Brazil Gabriel Gonzaga KO (Punch) UFC 96: Jackson vs. Jardine 02009-03-07 March 7, 2009 1 1:09 United States Columbus, Ohio, US
Win 10–0 England Neil Wain TKO (Punches) UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben 02008-10-18 October 18, 2008 1 1:31 England Birmingham, England
Win 9–0 Hungary Christian Wellisch KO (Punch) UFC 84: Ill Will 02008-05-24 May 24, 2008 1 0:44 United States Las Vegas, Nevada, US UFC Debut
Win 8–0 United States Sherman Pendergarst TKO (Punch) ROF 31 – Undisputed 02007-12-01 December 1, 2007 1 1:41 United States Broomfield, Colorado, US Won Ring of Fire Heavyweight Championship
Win 7–0 United States Rex Richards Submission (Guillotine Choke) AOW – Art of War 4 02007-10-27 October 27, 2007 1 1:24 United States Tunica, Mississippi, US
Win 6–0 United States Rick Slaton TKO (Punch) ROF 30 – Domination 02007-09-15 September 15, 2007 1 0:49 United States Broomfield, Colorado, US
Win 5–0 United States Chris Guillen Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UTS 6 – Ultimate Texas Showdown 6 02006-06-24 June 24, 2006 1 0:29 United States Frisco, Texas, US
Win 4–0 United States Justice Smith TKO (Punches) Extreme Wars 3 – Bay Area Brawl 02006-06-03 June 3, 2006 1 0:31 United States Oakland, California, US
Win 3–0 United States Jay McCown Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UTS 5 – Ultimate Texas Showdown 5 02006-04-29 April 29, 2006 1 1:31 United States Texas, US
Win 2–0 United States Casey Jackson Submission(Guillotine Choke) Extreme Wars 2 – X-1 02006-03-18 March 18, 2006 1 0:22 United States Honolulu, Hawaii, US
Win 1–0 United States Carlton Jones Submission (Punches) WEC 17 – Halloween Fury 4 02005-10-14 October 14, 2005 1 2:11 United States Lemoore, California, US

CoMoChief 06-22-2010 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836901)
funny people talk about fedor ducking the best.


who has brock beaten?

no one. IMO
a washed up coture.

look up the list of guys who fedor has beaten. THAT speaks for itself
All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a ****ing joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836951)
Win Brett Rogers TKO (Punches) Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers 11/7/2009 2 1:48 Joke
Win Andrei Arlovski KO (Punch) Affliction - Day of Reckoning 1/24/2009 1 3:14 UFC Reject
Win Tim Sylvia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Affliction - Banned 7/19/2008 1 0:36 UFC Reject
Win Hong Man Choi Submission (Armbar) Yarennoka - New Years Eve 2007 12/31/2007 1 1:54 Who
Win Matt Lindland Submission (Armbar) Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations 4/14/2007 1 2:58 Average
Win Mark Hunt Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 12/31/2006 1 8:16 Joke
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal 10/21/2006 2 1:15 41 year old
Win Wagner da Conceicao Martins Submission (Punches) PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 12/31/2005 1 0:26
Win Mirko Filipovic Decision (Unaminous) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 8/28/2005 3 5:00
Win Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE - Bushido 6 4/3/2005 1 10:00
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 12/31/2004 3 5:00
NC Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira No Contest - Accidental Cut PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 3:52
Win Naoya Ogawa Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Final Conflict 2004 8/15/2004 1 0:54
Win Kevin Randleman Submission (Kimura) PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 6/20/2004 1 1:33
Win Mark Coleman Submission (Armbar) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 4/25/2004 1 2:11
Win Yuji Nagata TKO (Punches) Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2003 - Inoki Festival 12/31/2003 1 1:02
Win Gary Goodridge TKO (Soccer Kicks and Punches) PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 8/10/2003 1 1:09
Win Kazuyuki Fujita Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) PRIDE 26 - Bad to the Bone 6/8/2003 1 4:17
Win Egidijus Valavicius Submission (Kimura) Rings Lithuania - Bushido Rings 7: Adrenalinas 4/5/2003 2 1:13
Win Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 25 - Body Blow 3/16/2003 3 5:00
Win Heath Herring TKO (Doctor Stoppage) PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 11/24/2002 1 10:00
Win Semmy Schilt Decision (Unanimous) PRIDE 21 - Demolition 6/23/2002 3 5:00
Win Chris Haseman TKO (Punches) Rings - World Title Series Grand Final 2/15/2002 1 2:50
Win Lee Hasdell Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings - World Title Series 5 12/21/2001 1 4:10
Win Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Unanimous) Rings - World Title Series 4 10/20/2001 3 5:00
Win Renato Sobral Decision (Unanimous) Rings - 10th Anniversary 8/11/2001 2 5:00
Win Kerry Schall Submission (Armbar) Rings - World Title Series 1 4/20/2001 1 1:47
Win Mihail Apostolov Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 4/6/2001 1 1:03
Loss Tsuyoshi Kosaka TKO (Doctor Stoppage) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 1 0:17
Win Ricardo Arona Decision (Unanimous) Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B 12/22/2000 3 5:00
Win Hiroya Takada KO (Punches) Rings - Battle Genesis Vol. 6 9/5/2000 1 0:12
Win Levon Lagvilava Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) Rings - Russia vs Georgia 8/16/2000 1 7:24
Win Martin Lazarov Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings Russia - Russia vs. Bulgaria 5/21/2000 1 2:24


here you go
This is fun, he is a good fighter possibly great but we probably will never know because he won't fight the best of the best.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836956)
here's brock's for reference

United States Shane Carwin UFC 116: Lesnar vs. Carwin 02010-07-03 July 3, 2010 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 4–1 United States Frank Mir TKO (Punches) UFC 100 02009-07-11 July 11, 2009 2 1:48 United States Las Vegas, Nevada For Unified UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 3–1 United States Randy Couture TKO (Strikes) UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar 02008-11-15 November 15, 2008 2 3:07 United States Las Vegas, Nevada Won UFC Heavyweight Championship.
Win 2–1 United States Heath Herring Decision (Unanimous) UFC 87: Seek and Destroy 02008-08-09 August 9, 2008 3 5:00 United States Minneapolis, Minnesota
Loss 1–1 United States Frank Mir Submission (Kneebar) UFC 81: Breaking Point 02008-02-02 February 2, 2008 1 1:30 United States Las Vegas, Nevada UFC Debut
Win 1–0 South Korea Min-Soo Kim Submission (Strikes) Dynamite!! USA 02007-06-02 June 2, 2007 1 1:09 United States Los Angeles, California MMA Debut.
Never did I say Brock was better. I am just saying that Fedor's status is tainted.

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6836974)
Never did I say Brock was better. I am just saying that Fedor's status is tainted.
again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say

SAUTO 06-22-2010 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6836968)
All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a ****ing joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.

again look up some of his pride fights, sorry you didnt know about the OTHER organization, but now you do so your ignorance on the subject will be your fault and yours alone from now on

RNR 06-22-2010 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836992)
again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say
This is the thing that bothers me...not the debate you guys are in. One of the things that hurt boxing was the seperation of fighters. The WBA,WBO,IBF and a list of others that had their own list of contenders and avoided allowing the two best to get in the ring. Sure it happened from time to time but the promoters figured out having multible champions equaled more paydays. Their greed hampered the sport along with several other factors that do not need to be talked about in this thread. I hate to think the same will happen to MMA, but it is likely it will. There is way too much money to be made in this growing sport. People have made untold richies off men sheding blood in a ring.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6836968)
All the UFC guys he's fought have been way past their prime.

The problem is that until just about a year ago, the HW division in MMA was absolute garbage. Now it's getting better, and is the strongest its ever been.

Shit even Fedor is trying to duck from fighting Oversteem because of Roid issues? Even though he tested clean? The entire Fedor camp is a ****ing joke. Until he fights in the UFC, his legacy will continue to deminish IMO. That's where the good guys fight, and when they're no longer good, they no longer fight in the UFC.
Oversteem? Who the **** is Oversteem?

Ohhhh you mean Alistair Overeem? This is why you bundle of stickss should stop posting about MMA. You don't have a god damned clue about who and what you're talking about. And don't chalk this up to a misspelling. You don't know enough about it to know his ****ing last name. maybe if you got Brock's nuts off of your chin you could see the computer screen better.

ArrowheadHawk 06-22-2010 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6836992)
again look at the guys he's beaten and when he beat them

big nog 3 times in the day
cro cop
herring(when he was good)
goodridge
mark hunt
it's a GREAT list

i cant help the fact that you didnt see any of his fights. look them up sometime, if you arent impressed then i dont know what else to say
Big nog was 6-7 years ago. Cro Cop is ok but he hasn't exactly lived up to his hype since joining the UFC. Herring is a good win but that was 8 years ago. Goodridge is only a .500 fighter and mark hunt has a losing record. I have no doubt that Fedor is a bad ass. Just how much of a bad ass is up for debate until/if he is willing to fight the fighters who are at the top currently.

RNR 06-22-2010 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837118)
Oversteem? Who the **** is Oversteem?

Ohhhh you mean Alistair Overeem? This is why you pillowbiters should stop posting about MMA. You don't have a god damned clue about who and what you're talking about. And don't chalk this up to a misspelling. You don't know enough about it to know his ****ing last name. maybe if you got Brock's nuts off of your chin you could see the computer screen better.
You may very well know more than this guy about MMA. That said why do you always come off so strong? Not only this subject but over several replies I have read from you. You and I have bumped heads before because I disagreed with something you said and your reply was full blown attack. Just wondering really, not looking to engage in a war of words. You just often come off pissed off just because someone sees something different than you do~

SAUTO 06-22-2010 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6837137)
Big nog was 6-7 years ago. Cro Cop is ok but he hasn't exactly lived up to his hype since joining the UFC. Herring is a good win but that was 8 years ago. Goodridge is only a .500 fighter and mark hunt has a losing record. I have no doubt that Fedor is a bad ass. Just how much of a bad ass is up for debate until/if he is willing to fight the fighters who are at the top currently.
he beat all those guys in their prime, that was my point. again i understand that you didnt see many pride fights BUT the same goes for you as como. i have steered you in the right direction. now go watch the fights and IMO you will see.

fedor has it all, he can beat you in any way, hell in all ways.
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Duck Dog 06-22-2010 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6836888)
You are most likely to young to remember Clay/Ali in his prime. He was an arrogant, brash, disrespectful asshole. He was hated and rightfully so. He admitted he molded himself after Gorgeous George a famous pro wrestler from the 50s. He was a womanizing draft dodging blowhard and his religious conversion was laughable. It was amusing to watch the reinvention of Ali into the beloved hero he is thought of today. He sold more pay for view and tickets to people who wanted nothing more than to see him get his lippy ass kicked. It is an age old shtick and Lesnar is proving as is Mayweather is in boxing that it still sells today~
Amen. Whites are still intimadated by that jerk.

Duck Dog 06-22-2010 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836896)
It definitely sells, there's no doubt about that. As you noted, a lot of people will buy just to see if Lesnar gets crushed. I'm one of them. I wanted to see him get smashed into oblivion and I find it hard to fathom how anyone could root for the guy. I could understand how back in the day the black community could get behind Ali. But Lesnar isn't a minority with racial tensions in the air. He's just an asshole. And I can't wait to watch Carwin cave his face in.
I am one of these people.

Duck Dog 06-22-2010 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6836025)
This.

Fedor would crush Lesnar.
Fedor's resume is unquestionable but I refuse to give him his due respect until he fights the best the UFC has to offer.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6837142)
You may very well know more than this guy about MMA. That said why do you always come off so strong? Not only this subject but over several replies I have read from you. You and I have bumped heads before because I disagreed with something you said and your reply was full blown attack. Just wondering really, not looking to engage in a war of words. You just often come off pissed off just because someone sees something different than you do~
Because dude has tried to pass himself off as a "I know it all" MMA guy then doesn't even have the overall knowledge to even know the names of the guys he is talking about. And he has Lesnar chin nuts. that's bad enough all by itself.

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck Dog (Post 6837182)
Fedor's resume is unquestionable but I refuse to give him his due respect until he fights the best the UFC has to offer.
The HW division looks more stacked but the truth is, we're not 100% sure how good a lot of these guys really are. Fedor beat enough guys in their prime that his ability should never be in question. He doesn't need to beat a 1 dimensional fat guy in Lesnar to prove he's great to me. He's submitted or knocked out almost everyone he's fought and outside of 1 BS ruling, is undefeated.

Would I like to see Fedor in UFC? Definitely. But if he never comes to UFC it doesn't diminish him as the greatest HW fighter ever to me.

RNR 06-22-2010 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837245)
Because dude has tried to pass himself off as a "I know it all" MMA guy then doesn't even have the overall knowledge to even know the names of the guys he is talking about. And he has Lesnar chin nuts. that's bad enough all by itself.
It is cool with me, we started rocky but seem to be ok now. Just seeing where your head is at. Been hangin here on and off for years. I get along with most~

CoMoChief 06-22-2010 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837118)
Oversteem? Who the **** is Oversteem?

Ohhhh you mean Alistair Overeem? This is why you pillowbiters should stop posting about MMA. You don't have a god damned clue about who and what you're talking about. And don't chalk this up to a misspelling. You don't know enough about it to know his ****ing last name. maybe if you got Brock's nuts off of your chin you could see the computer screen better.
Oops.....cry me a ****ing river.

Guess I shouldnt watch MMA .....got someone's name wrong. :rolleyes:

You know how many people on here get FOOTBALL players names wrong you ****ing moron?

CoMoChief 06-22-2010 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837245)
Because dude has tried to pass himself off as a "I know it all" MMA guy then doesn't even have the overall knowledge to even know the names of the guys he is talking about. And he has Lesnar chin nuts. that's bad enough all by itself.
When have I ever said I was a know it all MMA guy.

I can tell you how this fight is going to go......so can about a million other people.

Carwin will look to knockout Lesnar.....because standing up w/ him is really his only chance. Carwin obviously is the better striker.

But Brock will take the fight to the ground, because (gasp) that's his bread and butter and that's what gives him the best chance to win, esp w/ a guy like Carwin. Lesnar controls the fight on the ground and grounds and pounds....thats what he does, and once that happens, Brock's gonna end up winning the fight. People think this is going to last only in the first rd. I don't think it will be that way, because I dont think Lesnar will get knocked out because he wont let the fight stand up right. He will take it to the ground as soon as the bell rings.

Doesn't take some MMA nut to figure that one out. You're ****ing dumber than I thought.

MadMax 06-22-2010 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6835925)
So if you're wrong I guess that makes you a whole ass.



Then so be it. You have shown yourself to be a permanent asshole. You seem to "think" you know more than you actually do. Good luck with that :)

Duck Dog 06-22-2010 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837252)
The HW division looks more stacked but the truth is, we're not 100% sure how good a lot of these guys really are. Fedor beat enough guys in their prime that his ability should never be in question. He doesn't need to beat a 1 dimensional fat guy in Lesnar to prove he's great to me. He's submitted or knocked out almost everyone he's fought and outside of 1 BS ruling, is undefeated.

Would I like to see Fedor in UFC? Definitely. But if he never comes to UFC it doesn't diminish him as the greatest HW fighter ever to me.
I'm cool with that.

RNR 06-22-2010 09:13 PM
Well guys and gals it is 28 to 28, Carwin jumped to a big lead but it has evened up~

TheGuardian 06-22-2010 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6837275)
Oops.....cry me a ****ing river.

Guess I shouldnt watch MMA .....got someone's name wrong. :rolleyes:

You know how many people on here get FOOTBALL players names wrong you ****ing moron?
You got the name wrong because you're a ****ing mental midget on this subject and don't know what you're talking about. That's all.

KcMizzou 06-22-2010 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6837381)
Well guys and gals it is 28 to 28, Carwin jumped to a big lead but it has evened up~
I'm just impressed that we got 56 votes on an MMA poll. (Gaz votes don't count.)

SnakeXJones 06-22-2010 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6836970)
This is fun, he is a good fighter possibly great but we probably will never know because he won't fight the best of the best.
i dont see how Arlovski & Sylvia are ufc rejects were't they once was the UFC Heavyweight Champ at one time?

Fumblerooski 06-22-2010 11:24 PM
Picked Lesner. Don't know too much about MMA, but heard his name before. So running with him.

TrickyNicky 06-22-2010 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837396)
You got the name wrong because you're a ****ing mental midget on this subject and don't know what you're talking about. That's all.
You got it wrong too. It's UBEREEM ya jackass...

DBOSHO 06-23-2010 12:23 AM
What happened to big john mccarthy?

BWillie 06-23-2010 12:29 AM
So did he win the WWE Belt yet? Is Chyna gonna be there?

SnakeXJones 06-23-2010 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6837594)
What happened to big john mccarthy?
Last time I seen him he on strikeforce

CoMoChief 06-23-2010 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837396)
You got the name wrong because you're a ****ing mental midget on this subject and don't know what you're talking about. That's all.
ROFL......keep going...

SAUTO 06-23-2010 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837252)
The HW division looks more stacked but the truth is, we're not 100% sure how good a lot of these guys really are. Fedor beat enough guys in their prime that his ability should never be in question. He doesn't need to beat a 1 dimensional fat guy in Lesnar to prove he's great to me. He's submitted or knocked out almost everyone he's fought and outside of 1 BS ruling, is undefeated.

Would I like to see Fedor in UFC? Definitely. But if he never comes to UFC it doesn't diminish him as the greatest HW fighter ever to me.
this

TheGuardian 06-23-2010 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6837546)
You got it wrong too. It's UBEREEM ya jackass...
No it's not moron.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alistair-Overeem-461

****ing idiot.

ArrowheadHawk 06-23-2010 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SnakeXJones (Post 6837543)
i dont see how Arlovski & Sylvia are ufc rejects were't they once was the UFC Heavyweight Champ at one time?
When you get cut from the UFC that makes you a UFC reject. Yes they were the champ at a time that the UFC Heavyweight division was a joke.

TrickyNicky 06-23-2010 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6837714)
No it's not moron.

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alistair-Overeem-461

****ing idiot.
Sherdog knows nothing. Google knows all. His name is no longer Overeem, its UBEREEM or simply, The Reem. If you've spent any time in an MMA forum, you would know such things. Behold.

UBEREEM

random insult.

TheGuardian 06-23-2010 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TrickyNicky (Post 6838605)
Sherdog knows nothing. Google knows all. His name is no longer Overeem, its UBEREEM or simply, The Reem. If you've spent any time in an MMA forum, you would know such things. Behold.

UBEREEM

random insult.
That's NOT his name dipshit. The other guy didn't even know his actual name.

I don't call him that shit because I've been watching him fight since he was a stickboy in Pride unlike fanboys who just jerk off about MMA on message boards.

CoMoChief 06-23-2010 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6838646)
That's NOT his name dipshit. The other guy didn't even know his actual name.

I don't call him that shit because I've been watching him fight since he was a stickboy in Pride unlike fanboys who just jerk off about MMA on message boards.
This officially makes you cooler than anyone in this thread.

:rolleyes:

ArrowheadHawk 06-23-2010 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6838730)
This officially makes you cooler than anyone in this thread.

:rolleyes:
ROFL

TheGuardian 06-23-2010 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6838730)
This officially makes you cooler than anyone in this thread.

:rolleyes:
Says the guy with Lesnar chin nuts who talks about fighters he doesn't even know the name of.

SAUTO 06-23-2010 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6838646)
That's NOT his name dipshit. The other guy didn't even know his actual name.

I don't call him that shit because I've been watching him fight since he was a stickboy in Pride unlike fanboys who just jerk off about MMA on message boards.
he would enter with a hammer


and chuck knocked his ass out right before rampage beat chuck's ass

TheGuardian 06-23-2010 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6838872)
he would enter with a hammer


and chuck knocked his ass out right before rampage beat chuck's ass
And when Shogun nailed him from the stand up position. Still one of the most brutal strikes I've ever seen.

The guys I find that say shit like "Fedor is ducking people" are the same idiots that I know just started watching MMA. Yet they always claim they have been watching it from day 1, but don't even know the guys they are talking about. It's embarrassing to watch.

SnakeXJones 06-23-2010 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 6837746)
When you get cut from the UFC that makes you a UFC reject. Yes they were the champ at a time that the UFC Heavyweight division was a joke.
well I completely agree with that but I liked "The Pitbull" he could of been a good fighter but damn that man has a weak ass chin

CoMoChief 06-24-2010 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 6838892)
And when Shogun nailed him from the stand up position. Still one of the most brutal strikes I've ever seen.

The guys I find that say shit like "Fedor is ducking people" are the same idiots that I know just started watching MMA. Yet they always claim they have been watching it from day 1, but don't even know the guys they are talking about. It's embarrassing to watch.
You ****ing idiot it's not just people on msg boards and people who "just started watching MMA" that are saying this about Fedor.....UFC fighters themselves are saying the exact thing. But hey, don't listen to them...I guess they also don't know what they're talking about.

And by the way....for you to slam people who "just started watching MMA" newsflash!!! MMA is still considered to be a new sport, and has finally gained enough popularity where it's hitting media mainstream. So for you to bash people (if you wanna call it that, we here at CP just call it whining) because they just started watching MMA is borderline reeruned, because the sport is just now (well, within the last 4-5 yrs) getting popular. MMA is still mostly watched by people that range from ages 18-35, young males. Most people older than that still view this sport as barbaric human cockfighting, which is why some states still outlaw the sport.

And if you wanna call yourself a true MMA pioneer because you watched so much MMA before anyone else on here did, then I guess it's whatever makes you sleep better at night, but nobody here really gives a shit. Just sayin'.


Having that said, Lesnar wins TKO. This fight will last longer than the 1st rd.

TheGuardian 06-24-2010 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6840317)
You ****ing idiot it's not just people on msg boards and people who "just started watching MMA" that are saying this about Fedor.....UFC fighters themselves are saying the exact thing. But hey, don't listen to them...I guess they also don't know what they're talking about.
Well a fighter says it! Gosh fighters never say anything that doesn't make sense. The Diaz brothers have made a living saying stupid shit. Who cares what fighters say? And what fighters say this? Lesnar? He has 5 pro fights. **** him.

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And by the way....for you to slam people who "just started watching MMA" newsflash!!! MMA is still considered to be a new sport, and has finally gained enough popularity where it's hitting media mainstream. So for you to bash people (if you wanna call it that, we here at CP just call it whining) because they just started watching MMA is borderline reeruned, because the sport is just now (well, within the last 4-5 yrs) getting popular. MMA is still mostly watched by people that range from ages 18-35, young males. Most people older than that still view this sport as barbaric human cockfighting, which is why some states still outlaw the sport.

And if you wanna call yourself a true MMA pioneer because you watched so much MMA before anyone else on here did, then I guess it's whatever makes you sleep better at night, but nobody here really gives a shit. Just sayin'.
I don't have a problem with someone being new to the sport commenting on it. Just don't comment on it like you're some expert when you've NEW and have never even participated in the arts involved in MMA.

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Having that said, Lesnar wins TKO. This fight will last longer than the 1st rd.
LOL. We'll see.

RNR 06-24-2010 10:22 AM
And Lesnar comes from behind to take the lead~

TheGuardian 06-24-2010 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider (Post 6840420)
And Lesnar comes from behind to take the lead~
He's the "name" in this thing. I still don't see it getting out of the first round and see Carwin blasting him. But with guys that big anything can happen.

Ebolapox 06-24-2010 10:49 AM
this turned into a slapfight.


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