Throw in Magee, Jackson and Niswanger

He wasn't on the PS last year. They hid him on IR (like Urban this year) with a bullshit injury.

Jackson was going nowhere regardless. Magee I agree about. Niswanger better not be starting.

Weigmann is old, slow, but he can run circles around the fake Rudy.

OLB, yes.

ILB is not that important a position in a 3-4. NT, OLB, CB, DE, ILB, Safety. And I'd flip Safety in importance because there's a lot of playmaking potential.

I probably would have kept Washington in their position...but um Travis Daniels?

That's nice and all but when you're starting someone like Corey Mays who is complete and total trash it's a serious problem.

I dump Magee and claim Jarron Gilbert.

If he's worse than Magee, dump him, reconfigure your D-line gap assignments and start Gilberry.

You have to give up 200 yards per game rushing before ILB becomes important.

170 doesn't cut it.

This defense is going to set the NFL record for rushing yards given up per game

Don't have a problem w/these three guys. Jackson didn't do anything to play himself on the roster. He's still the best starter they have at the 5-techinque. He wasn't good this preseason, but he wasn't bad either. Magee, I think, is worthless, but I don't think you can afford to lose any D-linemen even if they're horrible. And Niswanger, for as much shit as he gets, he's more than adequate for quality depth. Don't want him starting, but he's fine as a backup.

I don't care if they are both undersized, start DJ and Demorrio.

Pretty sure I'd throw shots at Gilbert, Chevis Jackson and the guard Miami cut.

Please stop quoting me.

I hate you and every mother****ing take you've ever had and I'm done responding.

Have a nice day.

Well, yeah. Given that we made no progress in 2009, we knew we were going to walk into the 2010 season with some holes. And we knew it would take a miracle to make this team a playoff team.

It's going to be a problem, but if I were to prioritize positions to fill, it doesn't bother me to work on this one last. DJ and Demorrio actually looked pretty good the last 2 games of the preseason--I'm hoping like all hell that one can at least look like a solid starter.

I'd like to bring him in based on his college games.

I never thought he'd be a good fit for Martz's offense, but he could be a nice fit in this one.

"Please stop quoting me.

I hate you and every mother****ing take you've ever had."

That is exactly the reasons. Most teams carry 6 CB's the Chiefs are carrying 5 with 5 Safties which means Washington can play either one.

I don't have a problem with any one of the cuts and I am sure the roster will be in flux for the next few days.

Who doesn't look good when they're not blocked?

You're right, my bad. Wonder if they're hoping to put him on the PS this year?

And I really don't have an issue if they want to let Studabaker have a crack at a starting spot...however not bringing anyone in at MLB was criminally negligent.

Not having a legit NT in a 3-4 D is criminally negligent

Jay Alford with an ACL injury is better than Tyson Jackson come on, I'd take plenty of DL guys that have been cut on other teams today over the guys we have starting at this point.

A 2-gap 3-4 is built around the D-line absorbing blockers to open up lanes for LBs to run through. But I'm also talking about how they're not whiffing on tackles and playing in position. DJ's actually had a few pretty big hits this preseason.

Unfortunately, they play the same position. And we need to see this progress when the offenses open up. But I think it's entirely possible that at least one ILB on the field isn't going to be too bad. The other side is going to be bad--we just have to deal with that.

Finding a competent MLB for the 3-4 is really not this hard.

It never sinks in how much we suck until you look at the depth chart.

And people think this team can win 8 games...

They did get a ILB this year. His name is DERRICK JOHNSON. Him and Studebaker are TWO upgrades at LB.

We will win as a team, not individuals.

What's worse is when you compare this depth chart to 2009's.

We've upgraded at what, RB and safety?

Everything else?

Garbage in, garbage out. Rinse. Repeat.

:facepalm:

Yep.

5 games.

They could easily win 8 games...........





























if they had a legit starting QB :)

It isn't. Neither is a Nose Tackle. And I'm surprised they didn't go after one this year or last year. But I also realize that the only way we could have improved in an uncapped year was to draft for need. And I'm glad we didn't.

2009... unfortunately, because of the uncapped year and some really stupid mistakes (like trading for Cassel) set the franchise back 2 maybe 3 years. But in terms of 2010, think we did some things to improve ourselves with limited picks.

What kills me is in the span of a whole year, the front 7 is the exact same except you switch Tank Tyler with Shaun Smith.

Apparently they weren't watching the same front 7 we were last season.

Aaron Curry anyone? Sounds a hell of a lot better than TJack at this point, don't it?

barely

200 yards a game rushing given up yet again, the joy of watching that.

They did the same thing in 2009 with the OL.

Everything was the same except for Mike Goff.

We all know how that worked out.

These guys have serious issues when it comes to evaluating talent.

He sounds better but only because of how much of a reach Jackson was, not because Curry was worth the pick.

I wanted Raji last year and I still think that should have been the pick.

I think you mean Brian Orakpo.

That was who I wanted last year as well.

No. And Okung still doesn't sound better than Berry either.

All of the SC backers are better than Curry is...after the trade for Cassel several of us said Raji is the only pick that makes sense...to bad Pioli didn't agree eh?

God forbid we took someone who fit the scheme AND has talent.

Curry has the talent, but doesn't fit the scheme.

Jackson fits the scheme, and doesn't have the talent.

I don't know. Curry looked pretty good this pre-season. Better than anyone we've got on the roster at the linebacker position.

I shit you not - we are drafting Greg Jones next season with our #1.

Either or. Curry on the strong side or Orakpo on the rush. Sixes.

But...but...but...What about Vrabel?

Or heavens forbid, Hali?

ROFL

And if you're reading this, **** you, reerunian.

Unfortunately, due to the uncapped year, there were only so many ways we could improve. Our offense sucked and our defense sucked. No matter what we did in 2010, we were going to have holes.

Again, be mad as hell about 2009. And we're seeing now that it held the franchise back 2 probably 3 years. But in terms of 2010, it doesn't look like we did all that bad.

The Chiefs have the lowest payroll in the entire league, excuse me for not being sympathetic that they didn't sign anyone.

I laugh every year we hear about how good we might be, then we see the 53 man team and realize we still suck.

Maybe he is injured enough that no one will pick him up and then the Chiefs will resign him later in the season.

Whoa Dane....!

If we sign players from other teams these are probably goners. I don't think the final roster is really set yet.

Tank Tyler anybody?

can we start a sub-forum for dane, mecca and hamas where they can only post in, can only see, and can't post anywhere else?

Please?

Please?

As long as you get your own, too.

Wait, I thought Colin Brown and Darryl Harris had been anointed by Dane as the saviors of the offensive line?

WHAT HAPPENED?

Jerheme Urban - tastes like Lance Long, less filling!

Quit being a drama queen.

They'll suck but Berry will make the difference Mike Brown couldn't.

And Shaun Smith might help. A smidge.

This.

I think it's funny that people are bitching that Magee made the team and the same some of the same people SWORE we should have taken Jarron Gilbert instead. Jarron Gilbert got cut today.

Only surprise cuts for me are Harris, and Lokey. I don't think Harris is crazy good or anything, but though he'd have some upside. Probably the knee putting him on PS right now.

As for Lokey, just thought they'd keep 3 NT's. Apparently, they're gonna pick up a project somewhere else.

As for the guys everyone is bitching about.

O'Connell did start turning it on the last 2 games a little, and he his blocking has looked pretty good. More complete and can contribute on ST's, who was gonna knock him off the team?

Washington has the upside and pulls triple duty, CB, S, ST.

Lawerence has looked really good on ST's this year also. If they can get a young guy to step in and be a ST's leader, maybe they can cut a ST vet free, like McGraw or Copper.

Really hope Brown doesn't wind up on the PS. He's looked TERRIBLE the entire preseason.

As for the short OL. Niswanger is starting C backup G, imo. Someone goes down, you'll either see him go in, and Wiegmann take the C or Asamoah come in. As for backup LT, if Albert goes down, Richardson hopefully swings over from what I hope is his starting RT position and Callaghan steps in at RT. It's different, but not terrible. I think they are trying to make sure their linemen are versatile.

+1

How do you as a g.m drop guys that you drafted last year? Are you that broken?

Who's surprised Greenwood didn't make it? Did he show ANYTHING besides the willingness to switch sides of the football? Or are you confusing him for the Canadian LB Cory Greenwood who impressed twice in one ST play the other night?

Funny hey. If he doesn't cut them, he's stubborn and holds onto player just b/c he drafted them and therefore is detrimental to the team. If he cuts them, he's broken?

Whatever, I think Pioli has shown he's all business. No allegiance to "his guys". That said, thank god DaJuan Morgan is gone...

I still wonder what some of you were thinking predraft about that guy that made this board hate the thought of him as our pick so bad.

This defense would be pretty damn good right now with Hali and Orakpo rushing the passer and our secondary ballhawking.

Kid could be a DMVP type player.

I missed that he got cut. I'd love to see him as our #3 this year.

I'd like to see Brown and Lokey back. We're thin at O-line and D-line.

Texas players rarely translate to the NFL.

For every Jamaal Charles, there's a Mike Williams, Limas Sweed, Derrick Johnson, Quintin Jammer, Michael Huff, so on and so forth.

Everyone here had the fear that Orapko would follow in their footsteps. Season One for him was very good but before we anoint him has a great NFL player, let's give him a few years.

Why?

So says the Drama Queen

What makes you think that Rod Marinelli wouldn't have cut both Jackson and Magee?

I'm not.

He's a scrub.

By all means, DEFLECT AWAY!

I was anticipating Darryl Harris and Colin Brown challenging for starting positions this year after the way you constantly blew them during the 09 preseason.

Oh, shut the **** up.

Colin Brown was drafted as the #58th best offensive lineman overall. They drafted him as a right tackle and after a few weeks in training camp, they moved him inside. He looked pretty damn good, certainly better than Goff, before being stashed on IR.

He's been waived but he's eligible for the practice squad. I don't like how they moved him back outside, because he doesn't have the footwork to be a successful right tackle, but as I've said since the draft, I have no idea what they'd do with Lilja, Asamoah & Brown - three right guards. Asamoah made Brown expendable, which basically negates his draft slot.

As for Harris, he was running with the first team and was injured. Considering he missed most of preseason, it's not a surprise they waived him. By waiving him (and hopefully resigning him to the practice squad) they can move him onto the active roster more quickly than if he were placed on the PUP. As you know, if they placed him on IR, he'd be gone for the year.

I'll be shocked (though not surprised, considering the Chiefs inability to judge offensive lineman) if he's not back with the Chiefs. Had he not sustained injury, it's possible he could have held off Waters for the starting left guard position.

Waters is done.

He would have been a NFLEL candidate if they still had it.

If he's serious about switching to OL he should work to slowly add 20 + lbs and go from there. If he stays in the KC area, work out at Will Shields gym/fitness center or whatever that place he runs or train with some OL coach or ex player,etc.

The kid has a good frame, could be somewhat athletic, and obviously a great attitude. But right now he's too raw to even put on the PS.

so i agree, not suprised either.

Either Harris or Lem JeanPierre will make it to the PS as a G/C. Somewhat similar players so not both. I like both of them though.

You've got to be shitting me.

The Chiefs cut a younger player who has the ability to start over a player with multiple Pro Bowls?

They must be dumb as ****!

I really like Dion Gales too. Just needs more time to develop. That guy is quick for such a big SOB. Would be nice if he could play nose. He seems to have poor conditioning though getting gasses pretty easily the last 2 preseason games and didn't pass the conditioning test for the first couple of days so that appears to be an issue with him.

At the time, I posted every player drafted out of Texas over the last four or five years and it completely contradicts the point you are trying to make. It may have been the case in years previous to that, but Texas has turned out some pretty good NFL players.

I also tried to argue the point that just because a "Kyle Boller" flops, doesn't mean you pass on a "Aaron Rodgers".

You have to look at the indicators for the player to succeed.

production
measurables
work ethic
technique
ability to dominate
big games
maturity


Orakpo arguably had all of these indicators working in his favor.

Over time, Orakpo...otherwise known as toilet brush, will end up as the best pick that we could have made out of that class.

Oh well, hopefully a lesson was learned.