I agree. We need to win road games against shit teams to say we are really improving.

Thank God I don't have to wait until 9:15 Monday night to see what happens.

I find it interesting, that you consider that Bowe's fault.

It looked un-catchable, by anything less than a circus catch to me. All three balls thrown to him that I remember, were that way.

He caught one, that was down very low, but the other two, he would have needed to be double jointed, throughout his body IMO.

Or maybe I am just full of shit, and am down on Cassel, but I don't recall him hitting anyone on the numbers, or in their wheel house.

I think there were times that it happened... I would have to go back and get my "links" and "facts" straight...

But is seems that even thought he 32 Defense sucked your pussy most of the time. There were times when we rolled up serious yards and the other team didnt, and still beat us...

Regardless, We won, some people are happy, many are not...

lol. I thought you were talkin to me. Sorry.

It wasn't the greatest throw that bounced off his shoulder, but he should have caught it.

I don't remember who it was, but he hit one receiver right in the numbers - the back numbers - because the receiver didn't turn around.

Other than that.....

Much as you can't count on ST to completely dominate, you can expect the defense to continue to improve all year. Against a far worse offense, they could be productive. You also expect the passing game to be a lot better, even if it'll never look great.

And I still wouldn't rule out more big returns. Most teams can block OK, but few if any have the type of returners (plural) we have. Look at the first MNF game: we saw two reasonably unathletic SAFETIES returning punts. Arenas and McCluster in space against any special teams guy in the league is a mismatch. Get them a block or two and it's lights out.

Anyway, this is just Whitlock being bitter. If the new regime granted him all-access to the inner workings of One Arrowhead Drive, he'd be swinging from Pioli's nuts and hyping KC up in his little articles.

That receiver was probably still engaged at the line. :D


Oh wait, that can't be, because he holds on to the ball until he gets sacked. :banghead:

IIRC the receiver was about 10-15 yards downfield along the right sideline. At the time, I remember thinking that it was probably the best pass he'd throw all night, and it was.

I'd go back and watch it again, but much like the ewok scenes in Return of the Jedi, I prefer to fast forward through the annoying parts of our games where the offense is on the field. Luckily, this can be accomplished very quickly.

did you just discover VHS?

Actually YEAH! I was happy as hell it started raining... Our run game (I thought) would take over. When SD is more of a passing offense.

So yeah you'd be correct in your assessment.

Whitlock was also predicting the Redskins to go 1-15 this season on twitter Sunday night. He's somehow convinced himself that the Skins have a horrid defense. Following him on twitter has really dispelled any thoughts I had that the guy actually knows anything about football.

So you think that 11 carries was simply because of the shoulder injury that he did have? Because I don't see it like that.

I think there's something else why Jamaal isn't getting more carries and why a less talent is starting. Whatever the reason, it's bad logic.

I agree that between 15-20 carries a game sounds great for now. But I don't think it's going to happen.

Haley is a poo poo head. So is Pioli ... na na nahhh!!

FAX

It's interesting how the game unfolded ...

I've always heard that poor weather conditions give the advantage to the offense ... due to the fact that offensive players "know" where they're going and defensive guys have to react ... in sloppy conditions, that makes the d a step or two slower.

Monday night, however, it seemed the opposite was true.

FAX

Torrential downpour? check
14 point lead? check
Charles returning from shoulder surgery and occasionally having a fumbling problem? check


What's that spell? You feed the ball to the 400lbs bench pressing North South runner that doesn't cough up the ball. Sorry folks, it's no conspiracy it's ****ing common sense.

I was as excited about the SD win as anyone, but I would not be shocked at all if we lay an egg and lose in CLE.

Not in a game where there's only 49 plays. His touches were low because Cassel couldn't complete a pass. Sustain a few of those drives and Charles gets more opportunities.

(Just going by averages, if the Chiefs run 11 more plays, 60 total for the game, Charles would have ended up with about 15 touches...).

I agree, I wouldn't be all that surprised either, considering the emotional high after Monday...But still...

**** Whitlock

Here is my contribution:

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8...onwhitlock.jpg

86% of bettors are taking KC +2. Only 14% like Cleveland as a small favorite. (Factoring in the traditional 3-point home advantage, Vegas likes KC better, anyway.)

http://www.sportsbook.com/betting-trends/

I hope many many of Whitlock's fans take his advice..... (all 5 of them?)

Far as I'm concerned Whitlock can buy himself a chef's hat and learn to sing 'Love Gravy' as a full time gig. AMF.

I wouldn't call it a fluke, but I wouldn't expect a return TD every week, nor would I expect the defense to allow only 14 points when they're on the field for 40 minutes.

That's ridiculous.

True.

400 yards of total offense is getting "stopped?"

Sadly, he's right again. Cassel's a backup at best, and Bowe is best suited to be a WR2, IMO.


I don't see what any of this has to do with Cleveland, however.

I'm leaning toward taking the Browns too, so that should tell you that Whitlock's probably wrong. I usually am.

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I just think it's ludicrous to think that the reason for it has anything to do with Herm or Carl. Jason Whitlock seems to be the only guy around that can't let those two go.

I hate this argument, because it's nuts. Both teams were playing in the rain. The Chiefs seem to be a team built for speed . That was helped by the rain how?

JFC

Bowe "dropped" that ball because he couldn't plant his feet and adjust to that throw.

He was sliding forward, and simply threw his hand back in an attempt to swipe it out of the air.

The Chiefs are not a playoff team right now. So why abuse the hell out of Charles this season? Let Thomas Jones get the majority of a 60-40 split right now. Then next season (when we hopefully have a respectable QB and O-Line), let Charles carry the load with TJ in 3rd and 1 and goalline situations. We NEED a healthy Charles when we're a legit playoff contender. I'de hate to finally get a solid line and respectable QB and have Charles be a fraction of what he used to be.

One thing I'de like to see this season is Mike Cox on the sideline, with Charles and Jones/McCluster in the backfield. Or even a little wildcat with all three back there....Jones up the gut and Charles and McCluster hitting both ends. That should drive opposing defenses nuts.

The ball that wutadumbass is talking about here was actually a very well placed ball, which on a dry field, should have been caught.

But as I said, Bowe couldn't plant his feet and adjust.

Had he made that catch, given the conditions, it would have been outstanding.

Charles deserves to be benched for not knowing where the 1st down marker was on 4th down
That's not acceptable when you need to keep the ball out of River's hands
luckly Rivers choked and saved his ass

Hmmm, let's see...

It was raining its ass off, we were up by 2 touch downs going into half time.

Yea, let's have Cassel sling the ball over the field and run Charles out there every play so he can get the crap kicked out of him and maybe fumble, which is one of his few drawbacks..

That's a solid Whitlock game plan there!!!

That is a play though that Cassel and his WR's need to work on. Rivers and Jackson make a living off of the underthrown deep ball. Bowe has to know if the defender is in front of him to expect an underthrown pass and Cassel has to recognize such as well. The ball was well thrown, for once, and I agree conditions made it hard for Bowe to catch it but it was a catchable ball.

Watch his feet.

He's slipping as he's trying to reach back to make that catch.

It's a great catch if he makes it, which makes calling it a drop ridiculous.

Again... were you watching the same fuggin game? You surely aren't talking about the play where the bum Cassle saw Charles late and his momentum carried him out of bounds? You're surely talking about another play.

Do you guys just watch the game or skim through it?

People fuggin kill me. The avg "good years" of a NFL RB is 3-4 years... WTF are we saving Charles for? What's to say we "save" him and 1st carry next year we "unprotect" him and he's injured?

RIDE the fugg outta him like TN does CJ.
The way I see it... Cassle will prevent us from fielding any kind of legitimate offensive juggernaut.

No, Charles ran his route short of the marker.

Casssel may have seen him late, but if Charles is aware of where the marker is and runs his route accordingly, the fact that his momentum carried him out of bounds doesn't matter.

That was a piss poor route run by Charles.

Outstanding my ass... it hit him in the arm. A high schooler could've made an adjustment and caught that ball.

You're actually right but if dumbass hit him early enuf he had plenty of room to turn it up field.
Maybe his route is only called for a 5 yard crossing pattern.
That's clearly Cassle's fault as JC was wide open the entire time.

IF Haley and Pioli don't want Charles as Fatlock suggests
He will be benched because that is Haley's MO
but you know damn well they won't bench him

FYP

I think this is a big game for the Chiefs. (Duh.) But I think it's very specific. Your D looks much improved. Special teams are solid. I have faith in Pioli, Haley, and Crennel (and even Weis, but not as much). The lynchpin is Cassel. As much as I think he played well in New England, and as much grief as I get here for having his balls bouncing off my chin, this is really the put-up-or-shut-up game for him. He looked crappy in the opener, but had the usual excuses (the O-line "ole!" blocked on three of his first four attempts IIRC, receivers weren't holding onto the ball, then the weather went into the crapper). The forecast for Sunday in Ohio is 25-40% chance of light showers. Cleveland's D is mediocre. With the running game and defense and coaching, there's no excuses. The Chiefs should win, and Cassel's stat line should look much improved. If it isn't... He's dead to me.

Yeah, sure.

The fact that he is continued to slide forward when he tries to adjust to the ball has no affect on his ability to make that catch.

I know you know what you're talking about because you played high school QB.

Is Tribal Warfare your brother?

On a 3rd and 7 or 8, you're only going to have him run a 5 yard crossing pattern when time is running out on the clock in the half and you're trying to get into better FG range?

Holy shit!

Actually intramural QB :)

So are you saying this is 100% JC's fault and not the bums'?

Yes I am.

That route, in that situation, has to be run beyond the first down marker.

The goal on that play is to get the first down and get out of bounds to stop the clock.

I think this is potentially as big as the Monday Night game. If they win, I think Arrowhead's packed again for the San Francisco game, and with the crowd behind them they have a real shot at a 3-0 start before they inevitably lose to Indianapolis and Houston. If they lose, I don't think people show for the 49ers game, and I think they're in a little more trouble.

So basically, a win makes them a 2-0 home team with some momentum. A loss makes them a 1-1 squad that won a fluke game (it wasn't, I don't think, but that's what it will be seen as) and is in the middle of yet another losing season.

The difference between people seeing change and signs of hope, or suffering through more of the same, that's what I think Sunday at Cleveland is.

Could be worse. The Jets did the same thing, on their last play of the game. LMAO

fatlock is just a bitter bitch

shut up already you pos!!! :cuss:

Chiefs 31 Browns 10

Look for big returns to set up a lethal running game. Our D will be bringing the heat to delhommo or whatever retread they put back there.

GO CHIEFS!!!! 2-0 Baby!!!!

Road game, short week coming off an emotional win.



That's the stuff that gamblers' dreams are made of.

I think the ball was thrown too far ahead of him, or otherwise he could've stopped his momentum and turned upfield.

Shitlock couldn't write with a piece of chalk ....

Again, that may be true, but it shouldn't matter if he runs that route to the marker.

That's not really how it works...

Vegas has moved the line accordingly and continues to move it as such...

I bet KC will be favored by Sunday...albeit by 1 or 2 points

Whitlock is the male version of a jilted bride.

what was it...259 @ Denver?

need a neck rub, jwhit?

that would be a whole lot of rubbing...

whitlock's neck is jighnormous...

like the rest of him...

that's called rubberneckin baby

No, no, no.

That's called blubberneckin'.

lol

man I really really hate Whitlock

Given three more 3rd down conversions and Charles would likely have hit 15 touches. I can understand the thought that maybe Haley/Weis wanted to limit his touches based on a fumble history and a wet ball, but I have yet to go back and actually watch the game again and see if he got most of his carries before/after or during the rain.

Personally, I don't really care who starts, but I do believe Charles should get 60-70% of the touches between him and Jones. Hell, for all I know, Weis wants to start Jones so that Charles comes in fresh and gets rolling with 10 straight touches when the opposing defense is starting to tire.

I couldn't agree more. This next game is huge.

That's a great strategy.

I see one small problem with it however.

The defense isn't going to tire if the Chiefs offense is consistently going 3 and out.

Well, yeah, there is that.

I just want to say, I think it's hilarious that it is pointed out that the rain is what stopped the Chargers...So Whitlock is saying it wasn't an even playing field? Weren't both teams playing in the rain?

both teams played on the same field. One team didn't give up several long returns on kicks. One team didn't fumble the ball on the others side of the field. One team didn't give up a long td run. One team had 4 chances inside to 10 to tie or take the lead and didn't convert. Really wet ball? Want to use that excuse for Cassel? The deciding plays had nothing to do with with the conditions because both teams played in them.

One could make the argument that the team hurt the most by the weather was the Chiefs, because Cassel's limited effectiveness was even futher limited by the wind.

the fact anyone says that if it wasn't for this play or that play, means one team made them.. The other didn't. Pretty plain and simple.

I equate this to the Mizzou / Nebraska game last season. Damned thing was played in a monsoon. The "if it wasn't for's..." and "But if's..." are pointless.

That's the way it was when my team was on the losing end of things, and it'll damn sure be that way when my team's on the winning end.

the winners always have a prestine filed and .. Now it appears .. A dry ball.

the winners always have a prestine field and .. Now it appears .. A dry ball.

I would say the Chargers missing 5 Pro Bowl players from the year before and having to play @ KC's home opener had more to do with the Chargers losing than the field did.

Did he cry while writting this?

We can only hope.

Malcolm Floyd was WIDE open in the end zone on that 4th and Goal. He just slipped. The weather was a huge part of the game

For the record...

The weather did play a huge factor in the outcome...

Between the pumped up crowd, the opening day atmosphere, and the shitty ass weather...it was set up for an upset from the get go.

No doubt.

BUT THAT'S GOOD...

our team, minus the QB, played like a team that win in December...

Powerful running attack...good defense...good special teams.

But yeah...we do need to work on this QB thing...

But clearly we can see that it is INDEED a process, and we're getting there.

I can't argue with any of that.

more like laughing hysterically

Maybe, maybe not.

I understand the point. However, IF the weather is awful, and the field isn't torn up, then I think the Chiefs are more aggressive on offense. I think the special teams unit is even better. I think McCluster is more effective. I think the Chargers defense would have had to play more balanced because the Chiefs would have passed more.

Were the weather perfect, the crowd would have been even louder in the middle of the game. The crowd headed for shelter during much of the middle of the game. This left many empty seats towards the lower level of the stadium.

Look, once the Chiefs went up by 14 and they were playing in a monsoon.... yeah, I felt pretty good about the Chiefs chances. I actually expected the Chiefs to play conservatively after that. And, I was surprised that the Chargers didn't turn it over at least one more time.

But, if the field isn't torn up, I don't think that Tyson Jackson gets injured. And, when he was in the game, our front seven played very well.

You could be right. I am just not willing to concede your point just yet.