i agree


but, the catch is always what are you setting yourself up for in the post season

regular season stats are great, but we've seen this show...the post season is about intangibles....and there lies the ???

i know what Cassel is, others can have their own beliefs...

but i'm not ripping the guy, he has done his job as asked...and we're a good team

I do like what Weis has done with Cassel. He's made some great coaching adjustments.

Next year though, whether Cassel is here, or elsewhere, they have to upgrade the starting WR. Copper is fine as a 4th or 5th, but he's not starting on 99% of the teams in this league (Sorry SNR).

Agreed.

We all know what Matt is and what he's capable of. As long as he continues to avoid INTs, we'll take it.

We did not have the luxury of fixing every hole on this team in one or two offseasons. There was just too much that needed to be done.

Casshole can be leashed and an effective game manager as long as the line continues to give him time. As the rest of the team is built around him (read: next two years) we can find/develop an acceptable replacement...

We need a true playmaking WR. A LEGIT no. 1 guy...

Amen.

Our #1 pick has to be spent on a WR.

We do need a NT, OLB too, but the receiver position has to be upgraded in the worst way.

The Chiefs needs a pass rusher who can put some pressure on the QB instead of a QB or WR.

Ah I wouldn't go that far.

I don't think management plans on building around Cassel over the next two years. I think they're smarter then that.

I think they'll continue to try to address their weak spots and # 1 is still QB.

Get ready for it, because if this team makes the playoffs and Cassel has around an 85-90 QB rating, they are paying the bonus.

IMO they could help out that area lot whenever Studebaker takes over Vrabel's spot.

He looked really slow yesterday covering Jones out of the backfield. (and TE Lewis on the crossing route)

And that's fine. But I think they'll bring in competition and/or draft someone they want to take that spot in time.

When someone says "build around a guy" that says to me they think they have their man. Their franchise QB. There's no way they believe that.

33-for-47, 394 passing yards, 5 TD's, 0 INT's = 130 QB Rating the last 2 weeks.
Yeah...No complaints there at all. He's playing efficiently.
Weis is doing this job.

You know what, I am thrilled by what this team is becoming. Improvements need to be made, but what team doesn't need any. Cry and whine all you wish, but 4-2 baby, who would ever of thought!?!?

This year watching the Chiefs, I'm having fun, my blood gets pumping, that is all I ask for this season! Great job, boys!!

I think people on this board can be too tough on Vrabel. When you match-up Jones Drew against a guy who is essentially supposed to be a lot more an undersized DE, you're going to get ****ed.

On the pass rusher side, I don't fully understand why people are screaming for that. Look at most 3-4 defenses and the LDE typically only has about 3-5 sacks per season. What we need is more consistency from our D-line on passing situations. As much credit as Smith gets for his play, he doesn't create lanes for his LBs. I think if we can start getting a lot more rotations with Smith at NT and Jackson at LDE, our pass rush improves by leaps and bounds.

Honestly I think our lack of depth at WR is holding us back more that Cassel. Surround him with good weapons and he is a decent QB. Drafting a stud WR should be one of our top priorities next year.

I have been critical of Cassel this year. But I will say that he has played well the past 2 weeks. Other than an occasional pass that was high, he had a good game yesterday. If he can continue to play this way, maybe we have a chance to make a little noise in the playoffs. I'm not ready to proclaim him a good QB just yet. But it appears that he is getting better.

Four. Like it or not, since the second half of the Cleveland game, Cassel has played well.

Not HOF, but as well as he has played as a Chief.

Part of it is the offense getting in synch around him. He will never 'carry' a team, but he is proving he can be a good 'facilitator'.

We'll see how he plays against teams that aren't in the bottom 10 percent in pass D. I sure hope he keeps improving, but I don't think it's in the cards.

The guy is improving every week. They started the season making sure that above anything else, he didn't make big mistakes. Now that they seem to have that accomplished, they are letting him do more, and he continues to improve.

I don't know if he is the guy. But I'm pretty sure I trust this coaching staff. How well do you think we would be playing as a team if Todd Haley threw Matt Cassell under the bus like Brad Childress did to Brett Favre after last night's game?

We have coaches with a lot of character, who are developing players with a lot of character. That sounds a lot like a New England team that won a few superbowls. But it is still the early stages, and we still have some holes to fill. Give the coaching staff some credit and let them finish what they started.

I thought he played his best game yesterday. He's getting better. Gotta give him love when he deserves it.

Actually, that is not correct. Cassel played like crap early in the 49ers game. But he did get it going and played well from about midway through the 2nd quarter on, IIRC. But he didn't play very well against Indy.

He really is beginning to play well, and more like the player we all hoped he would become. He continues to be a slow starter, but with each game he is getting into the flow of the game earlier.
It's so damn nice to finally expect a victory, instead of another loss. This coaching staff is getting productivity out of players like DJ, Hali, and Dorsey that Herm could have only dreamed about. Makes you cringe to think about what this team and these players would be like if they were still in an Edwards type system. :doh!::shake:

I love the fact KC is 4-2, but to give Matt Cassel credit beyond the fact he did not screw it up is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes he has played largely mistake free football, but he is holding this team back.

I was at the game yesterday, I'm not sure about the 1st half, but I took notice on every play in the 2nd half. The Jags played the 2nd half with one deep safety. I use the term 1 deep safety loosely because he was on only about 15 yards deep. They played man to man on the WRS and had one safety deep with very few exceptions. Several times the safety was on the opposite hash mark from where Bowe was lined up. The other 8 defensive players were inside 5 yards of scrimmage. Bowe had half the field one on one with a defender. Not one time did we run Bowe (or any other reciever) on a go pattern. We never tried to explot a complete advantage. There was nothing for Cassel to read, nothing was being disguised. It was right there to be taken and we did not.

Why is this??? Because our coaches are to stupid to recognize what is going on? I don't think so? Because Bowe or anther WR is completely uncapable of running a go pattern?? This might have a merit, but the answer is still no.

The fact is they know Cassel is not capable of executing the throw. They don't have confidence in him. On Bowes TD receiption he was about 10 yards behind the defender and Cassel underthrew it so bad he had to stop and wait on the ball. Because he is a beast to bring down he was able to run through the tackles of the defenders who were able to catch up to him.

The fact is we were able to run very effectively against a poor run D despite the fact they were selling out to stop it. Against better defenses who will be able to slow the run game down with 8 in the box, Cassel will be have to win games by challenging the defense over the top. Absolutely nothing suggests he will be able to do it!!!

I hope I have to totally eat my words, but I'm very afraid I totally right. We will see.

Nice post, lurker.

Well for one thing, many of the QB's ahead of him have had an extra game, so he should at least be higher in TD's to be fair. Also, I have him at 26th in pass yards per game (Not a huge difference...(min. 14 passes per game)) But I have a feeling you are including guys that have some less games played....Passing yards per SEASON he comes up to 23rd and that is with a game less than many of the other QB's.

Not looking at INTS? Not Looking at Yards Per Completion? Sacks taken? Wins?

Not looking at the whole picture...

Also, the yards per game is a little unfair, because of how many rushing yards per game we have gotten.

I'm not a blind Castle supporter, but I am also not a blind basher either. The guy is playing OK right now in my eyes. I think people should give credit where credit is due.

Some of you really carry on that elite QBs make all the throws, and none of their receivers aid their stats.

Cassel has his limitations, but to continually try to find fault in everything he does is just a joke anymore.

Dude you are to bring YAC to the table which is Cassel's best friend on the stat sheet.

Which QB in the NFL isnt a beneficary of the YAC's?

Why people discount this is crazy, Yet if Manning gets 30 Yac on a play, its okay, just because its not Cassel...

This logic is just goofy..

I still find it amazing that some people think that a pass that travels 20 yards in the air and then is run for 40 yards for a TD is somehow less significant than a pass that travels 60 yards in the air.

I am pretty sure they both get you 6 points.

It's every QB's best friend. But carry on thinking that Cassel is the only one who benefits from YAC.

or how about a 2 yard swing pass to Charles that goes for 20 yards, and rinse and repeat that through the game.

Only in KC with tools like Tribal Welfare think that the QB has to throw it in the end zone each time for it to be a real touchdown.

Dude you didn't know that none of Manning's yards are from YAC?

Manning is a perfect example of YAC, he doesn't throw bombs down field all day, they feast on slants and crossing routes.

I bet your dad threw every pass on the money in high school.

How many swing passes has Jamaal caught this year? 3-4?

Since when is having YAC a bad thing? Like 80% of Welker's yards are YAC. Are you going to fault Brady for that?

It's good to know that you think Cassel is the next Manning. So does that mean he'll be a multiple MVP award winner too?

The team has some young 'receivers' that are capable of catching the ball, even when it doesn't hit them right in the hands. Not surprisingly, the QB is looking better as a result. The offense needs a WR1 that can create separation and hold onto the ball, and it needs to improve the pass blocking. If the Chiefs can get that done, Pioli and company will be able to focus on fixing the defense.

I'm just happy that he knows which guy is the center. Cassel has an opportunity in this league to become one of the most exciting players since Fa-Va-Rah because you never know what the hell's going to happen when he takes the snap. The ball could be high, it could be low, or it could wind up in Clark Hunt's sister's cleavage.

His handoffs are improving every week, though, and you can tell he's having fun out there by the way he repeatedly fist pumps as he celebrates by himself on the sideline.

FAX

You go from one extreme to another.

We don't think he's Manning. Dillusional tools, like yourself, try to put that out there because you have nothing else.

We think he's playing as well as could be expected right now and you continually want to change the criteria for QBs to suit your old bull argument.

If that's what most of the plays were, I would be concerned but the fact is not 1 of Moeaki's team leading catches was a swing pass. I don't remember Bowe catching one of those either. Bowe is also avg 19 yards a catch.

Be an ostrich if you like.

It's a bad thing when said poster has spent a year and a half psycho analyzing said QB and is holding on to anything he can.

Instead of sacking up and giving some sort of props, Tribal Welfare continues to grasp at straws.

This is exactly why Tribal Warfare should be restricted to just posting KCStar Articles. Nothing more.

Well you do realize that his father was a 5 Star high school recruit and went straight from High School to the Football Hall Of Fame right? TW clearly knows more than us.

BTW Cassel's average is 19th in the league.

I didn't say I thought Cassel was Manning but you obviously have a comprehension and logical thinking issue.

Make a valid point for your argument and then see if someone takes your opinion seriously.

So hitting an open receiver who has room to run, and who gains 20 yards is a bad thing? Only on Chiefs Planet.

I bet it isn't over the last 4 games. BTW.

ROFLROFLROFL

And to help you out, it's 8.0 for those 4 games. Is that bad?

Mannings last 4 games 7.2 yrds per attempt. Just sayin.

It goes to the point where some on this thread have already said that Cassel is only as good as the talent around him, hence hitting JC with the screen and hope he makes something out of it because that's predetermined target nomatter what.

It's easier to just give Cassel credit when he plays well.
This needing to bash him no matter what shit is lame.

But...but..."Keep Doubting Matt Cassel"?:shrug:

Where we goin' with this dude?

Who said that Cassel can single-handedly lift and carry the team by himself?

They keep moving the goal posts.

it's kind of the point of the point in having a Franchise QB that makes everyone else around him better instead of in spite of him.

That thread is tongue in cheek.

Bumping it is tradition.

tribal warfare, your arrow is pointing down.

fax farmer would like to see you in his office..please bring your password with you.

"Goalpost" laid in mother****ing cement.

Dude, don't look at my arrow that's ghey

There are about 5-6 franchise QBs in the entire NFL.

Some of you act like you can just pick them off the cherry tree.

The only ones calling him a franchise QBs are the ones who constantly want to harp on every single negative play he does and not give credit for the good.

Yep.

OR! OR! You can actually ****ing TRY...:shrug::shrug::shrug:

Yeah, it's not like I talk about drafting a quarterback, oh, all the time or anything. Or have been talking about it for years now. I wanted Ryan, I wanted Stafford, I want Gabbert.

The point is that people act like the draft is some sure thing and it's the only way you can ever land a top starting quarterback is to take on in the first five picks, and that when you do, you're saaaved!

Which is patently untrue. Odds are we'll draft one and he won't turn out to be a franchise player. Which doesn't mean we shouldn't draft one. But let's face reality at least a little. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and you aren't destined to fail just because you don't do it a certain way, or destined to succeed just because you do. Hell, I don't like Cassel and never wanted the guy, but even I'll admit the book isn't written on the guy yet.

I never said you were the manager of this team, did I? I see your point, but meh. If that game against Houston doesn't clearly spell out the difference, nothing ever will.

Can someone point out all the franchise QBs that we've missed out on since Pioli took over?

I'm not trying to bring in just YAC, I'm trying to look at the entire picture. Some people just want to look at the negatives. I am trying to look at everything. IMO you are being dishonest.

It truly pains me to watch Cassel throw beautiful darts every now and then; because those flashes give me great hope. When he's confident he steps into his throws and can deliver quality balls in tight windows.

Not at all, he blows. Some people thought Elvis Grbac was great too, but look how that turned out.

confidence is such a big deal with Cassel

when he is unsure or worried about the pass rush his throws pretty much turn to shit.

I believe that is what Weis is trying to do ... protect Cassel so much that he gets confident enough to be able to handle a complete offense. Hopefully by the end of the year Weis will know whether or not Cassel is worth keeping around and then the chiefs will act accordingly.

just like Sanchez in new york, a QB who's numbers are inflated because he is protected to the nth degree.

by the end of the year, Cassel needs to take the diapers off and step up or get out.

Yep, that protection is ALL it is. My absolute favorite pile of CP horseshit.

Horeshit, horseshit. horseshit.

Umm wait a second...Sanchez's numbers are inflated?

Correct me if I am wrong but aren't Cassel's numbers better?

Let me put this as succinctly as I possibly can; stat-lines and numbers are NOTHING compared to the guy who can read the field, choose from multiple targets quickly, and get the ****ing ball to them, thereby keeping the drive alive.

But, thanks for playing.

stop crying bitch ... i never said that protection is ALL it is

there wasn't a QB alive that has been more protected in the last 2 years than Sanchez. He's a rookie so it's not unexpected.

Dam crying sanchez lovers pitch a fit anytime someone breathes sanchez's name without the appropriate smell of sanchez cum on their lips. :doh!:


This year the chiefs are in max protect mode for Cassel too.

Hopefully it's only a temporary situation or Cassel needs to get the boot.

If the stats were leaning the other way they would be worn out from overuse by you guys.

Sanchize's stats are meaningless to the Chiefs, they don't help us win or lose.

Cassel's do seem to have some relevance to the team though.

Wait so you first agree his numbers are inflated and now you also argue that numbers don't mean anything?

You seem confused.

That right; they ARE in max protect mode for Cassel and yet....

Field-Reader please. Thx!

Cassel is improving.

He's getting the ball out, and giving his receivers a chance to make catches and make plays.

But the fact is, he played poorly in the Indy game, a game we could have won with even mediocre QB play, he made a piss poor pass on a play which could have sealed the win against the Texans, and he was outplayed in the first half yesterday by a guy that was on the farm just a few days ago.

So, I'm not ready to give him much in the way of props just yet.
He still has a lot of work.

But, on a side note, Tribal Warfare is an idiot.