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Our bad passing attack is collection of things. One is Matt. He's not one you can have just wing the ball all around. His release is too slow and his arm is not exactly a hum dinger cannon. Two is our WR's are not even what anybody would call good. Bowe is ok but is he really good? Does he get open consistantly? No and No. Three we throw the ball very little and practice makes perfect. The passing is dink and dunk and who the hell do we have that gets down the field with any speed that isn't easy to cover? We have no speed at Wr to do anything but dink and dunk. Four, we can run the ball for 200 a game. Why the hell not run the ball down other teams throats? Truth is, we don't have an offense right now nor the players to run a higher powered offense that needs Matt to do anything but what he's doing.
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I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but my guess is that, when a pass play is called, Cassel is instructed to do several things ... A) Don't throw the INT. B) Don't take the sack. C) Take the first read. Maybe I'm using homer-vision, but I think/hope that's what's going on. Things make a lot more sense when you assume those are facts. Otherwise, Cassel is little more than a dumbass, extremely myopic, Howdy-Doody look-alike in a Chiefs suit. FAX |
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That game slipped out of our hands. when it was 3rd and short late in the 4th and he decided to pass, instead of running, I just dropped and rolled on the floor in disgust. In that situation, you run the damn ball. Play according to your teams strengths. WTF was he thinking in that situation? *I always think that when you have the players, as a coach or co-ordinator it makes your life that much better or easier. If your players are excellent at executing and making plays for a majority of the time, which is what star players do, then the coach automatically looks good. |
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I'd rather see the playbook opened up and Cassel try and fail, than see this reeruned shit we're doing with him. At least give him a chance to make a play.
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His tendency to stare down receivers would not only result in more turnovers, it would mean the likely premature death of our receivers ... especially the midget ones. The fact is that, if they did feature Cassel, we'd get routinely slaughtered trying to win games on his arm and decision-making ability. The coaches have to, not only maximize our strengths, but minimize the number of plays at which we suck. We're stuck with having to run the football for a mazillion yards or more every game. If, that is, we want to actually win. FAX |
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If we could throw down the field all game, we'd be doing it. The coaches aren't holding Cassel back because they want to take that dimension out of the offense. They're holding him back because they have to to play the type of game we're playing. Weis is getting the best out of Cassel that he can get. |
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Would you like to discuss that or continue to be a ass for no reason? Actually, I think you should put me on ignore... Every time I post, you throw a fit and whine about what I post.... |
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This is the best Chiefs team I've seen since '93. I don't think they're as good as the '93 team, but Im just happy right now that they've come a long way. I love their tenacity and will in how they fight in ball games. They show a true display of heart and character and do a lot of the little things right. They are well coached and a fundamentally sound team. And also, I think they somewhat have a balance which as a Chiefs fan, were not used to seeing that. do they have the stars? Nope. But they have have a solid nucleus of players. Good young players, with solid defense and special teams, great running game, and good coaching is a team on the rise imo. Now if they had a damn good quarterback I think they would be competing right up there w/ Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and the other top teams in the league. Possibly superbowl too? |
I've revised my opinion on Cassel's arm strength as the season's gone on. He's not a noodle-arm. The issue is accuracy, I think he has enough raw oomph to make the throws.
He's actually doing several things better than he did last year. Minus a couple head-scratching plays last week, he's getting the ball out faster, which is I think helping the line not look so woeful in pass protection. He's generally making better decisions, as outlined by the TD/int ratio, and does appear to be progressing through reads on slower developing plays. But the issue is that we're talking about the development of a 28-year old player in terms you'd normally apply to a 22-year old just getting his feet wet in the league. If it does somehow, sometime *click*, I wonder just how much time he'll play at his 'peak', whatever that ends up being. I suppose the upside would be Trent Green, Steve Beurlein, Mark Brunell, Rich Gannon style post-30th birthday performance. But even that level of play seems very far away at times. He's a bit better than 2009, but it would be difficult not to be... And, unfortunately, he has yet to show any of the "it" that allows certain quarterbacks to elevate the team around them at moments where it's needed. He's showing this year that (so far) he's capable of not losing games. But he has yet to show that he can win one. |
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They know exactly what Cassel is capable of. There is no "finding out" if he can do it. If he could, they'd be doing it. It's really that simple. |
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But also, I dont ever recall Weis's offense being a air it out Al Davis type of offense wanna be either.... It is by design, Cassel or could it just be both? |
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Maybe if he actually had a good arm that pass to Bowe on the first drive gets there faster and instead of the DB making a play Bowe hauls it in for a TD. It's just another thing to add to the list of issues. |
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He can, however, shake his tushie in front of the bench in a valiant effort to instill a sense of urgency in his fellow teammates. FAX |
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Well that wasn't very passive.
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If Cassel's biggest problem is his confidence like some here like Milkman say, then the throws he's asked to do aren't going to do anything to raise his confidence.
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He doesn't seem to possess the ability to stand in the pocket, go through progressions, find the open man, and throw the ball ... in that order. Now that I think on it, it's basically backwards, actually. FAX |
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And I think maybe there's too much attention given to that. You can do well with an average arm, if you possess certain other intangibles. That's where the questions arise for me. He's shown a few of them - he'll take hits, he'll play hurt, his teammates appear to be behind him (that was a big question for me heading into the season), but at the end of the day can he make that key play? I just don't know. He hasn't so far. |
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Well then you have a full time job ahead of you here... You should be good for at least 100 posts from random Cp'ers full of hypocrisy.... Maybe you need to get you a little sheriffs badge to show people you really mean business... |
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And I imagine in the coach's eyes, it's not just as easy as pulling him and plugging in Croyle. There's a thousand other factors that would come into play. And why push it at this point? Why rock the boat when we're winning and leading the division? They're making what they've got work, and Cassel isn't slowing the boat down. He sure as shit isn't paddling very hard, but he's not at anchor at the moment. |
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Probably the best two drives out of him this year.... Considering the pressure... |
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Take last week, for instance. When Buffalo went to quick passing in the second half, was it because Fitzgerald doesn't have the ability to make his reads, or was it because Tamba Hali was bowling over the right tackle like he wasn't even there? Or was it because they saw something in the defense they could exploit? Maybe they are trying to simplify the game for him (talking about the Chiefs now). Maybe they're trying to help the offensive line. Maybe they're just using the short passing game as an extension of the team's strength, the run game. Maybe it's a combination of all that. Hell, maybe they're not passing because they believe they can win without it. It's really hard to tell... |
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I think it's safe to assume that, if they thought Cassel could "safely" (not throw interceptions or take the sack) go through progressions, they would allow it. That only makes sense. FAX |
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I know alot of people said the same thing about Cassel after the Houston debacle... |
WTF is up with all the national analyst saying good things about Cassel?
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I'm not saying you're wrong, by the way. All I'm saying is that I have no way of knowing why they're calling the plays they're calling. You're assuming it's Cassel, and it may well be, but there are a number of other reasons why they could be calling those plays. It's just impossible for me to sit here watching the games at home and say definitively "they're doing this because..." |
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I think they are coaching Cassel to get rid of the ball quickly to help the offensive line. They've been great in the run game, but still a little questionable in pass protection at times.
Also, quick throws allow playmakers like Bowe and Charles to run after the catch. We would rather throw 5 yard routes on 3rd and 10 and rely on guys running than rely on our line to block for Cassel to scan the field and find a guy past the sticks. |
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The poor passing attack is a result of several factors:
1. It seems to take Cassel a while to warm up. 2. Cassel seems to play better in games where he is given a little more freedom to make things happen. 3. The passing gameplan has been - no turnovers, no negative plays, take the first read. 4. The WRs are generally poor. They have no legitimate #2 or #3 receiver. 5. The passing gameplan is designed in part to protect the OL. They aren't being asked to block for a long time. That's because they can't. I know it's chic to blame everything on Cassel. That's okay, he makes the big $. I still don't understand the infatuation with repeating every single day all of the guys shortcomings. |
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I think the arm strength thing is probably the single biggest misconception about anyone on the team. He can put plenty of juice on the ball, he just can't do it accurately. People talk like he's Damon Huard.
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You're right, of course. I'm assuming that they're taking the first read on account of Cassel. It could be that they're doing it for other reasons. However, think about this ... there are some game excerpts on the "gif'd up" thread, for example, that clearly show an open receiver as Cassel is throwing to a well-covered man. In at least two of those cases, the open guy was in the same line of sight as the covered player. To me, that has to be a "first read" type of deal and has little to do with the line (since the pass protection had already occurred), or the defense, or any other reason I can think of ... other than the fact that Cassel took his first option. Personally, I think he has target fixation. Plus, he's probably being coached to either take the first option or get rid of the ball - to avoid sacks, I mean (a real problem he's had in the past). Just a guess, though. FAX |
Cassel is 24th in the league in passing yards. And a lot of the guys ahead of him have only started a handful of games. He's on pace to barely crack 2700 yards. That's not even a game manager.
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What about the drive at the end of regulation?
Cassel does his job on first down and hits Bowe for 7 yards. Our awesome running game fails hard on 2nd down and gets stuffed for 2 yards. Then, for some reason, we put Cassel in shotgun on 3rd and 1. Incomplete. But, Cassel calls his OWN number and sneaks for the first down on 4th down. Haley nullifies it with the timeout and then decides to punt. That could have been the game winning drive. |
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Give me a break. First off, that wasn't a "drive". It was four ****ing plays. Second, the entire need for a fourth down gamble shows how awful Cassel is. He freakin' threw the ball at Tucker's feet on third and 1. Why? Because he sucks. Third, the entire idea that they would run the ball on 2nd down shows how much the coaches don't trust Cassel. There's less than 2 minutes left in the game, why are you running the ball? Because you know your quarterback sucks ass and you're desperately hoping your running back can break a long run. |
It just tells me enough about Cassel when I watch Sam Bradford & you can tell he is already twice the QB that Cassel is after one has started 30+ games & the other 8.
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He got hit as he threw that ball to Tucker. He had to change the angle of his arm to avoid having the ball get hit. If he has protection, he makes that throw. Give me a ****ing break about running the ball with 2 minutes left. We were gashing them all game long. |
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Poor Matty got hit!!! He couldn't POSSIBLY be expected to complete a pass under those circumstances. That "drive" Cassel "orchestrated" at the end of regulation was a complete abortion. He couldn't even get a first down in three plays, forcing Haley to do something incredibly stupid. Cassel is lucky Berry bailed his ass out on the next possession. We almost lost this ****ing game because of Matt Cassel, against a ****ing winless team. Stop defending him. |
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Cassel did his part at the end of regulation. He threw for 7 on first down. The running game ran for 2 ****ing yards. Who couldn't get a first down? The drive would have been a real drive if Haley didn't call timeout. Cassel gets the first down. Haley calls timeout. Cassel get blamed for not getting the first down. Got it. GTFO with that bullshit. Oh, and now Cassel is lucky he got his ass bailed out by Berry's INT. It wouldn't be the shitty ****ing special teams coverage that allowed Parrish to return a punt 33 yards to midfield that got bailed out. It's Cassel. JFC. Stop over-analyzing the shit out of everything Cassel does. It's ****ing annoying. We all know he sucks, but he's not the villain you keep trying make him. |
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He threw the ball INTO THE GROUND at the most pivotal moment in the game. Why is that so hard to understand? Cassel's shitty play SET UP the opportunity for the Bills to go win the game. Just like his shitty play THE REST OF THE GAME set up his chance to FAIL at the end of regulation. He sucked at the beginning of the game, he sucked at the end of the game, and it took him 74 minutes to finally un**** himself and make a real contribution. If you support Matt Cassel, you're letting the terrorists win. |
All in all Collinsworth is a smart ass ... that said no Cassel isn't in the top 20 .. but like Sapp said all he really has to do is hand the ball off and make a few passes per game .......
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And why is it so hard to understand everything else I posted? The special teams coverage set the Bills up to win the game. Cassel got a first down that would have kept the drive going. I don't support Cassel, I'm just not on your "I hate everything he does" bandwagon to the point of breaking down his ****ing eye contact in the locker room and his body language when receivers are lining up. |
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He sucks, we agree he sucks, hopefully he's gone sooner rather than later. |
Matt Cassel is what he is. I'm just gonna go with it. Besides, I've run out of euphemisms for 'suck'.
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By all means keep it up. Your obsession with me is scary yet comical. |
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I am sick of the lack of progressing through all reads.
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You can get over an average arm or an average ability to read a defense. Cassel's problem is that he's inconsistent in throwing the ball. Every game he leaves 1-2 TDs out there because he can't hit receivers in stride, can't hit wide open receivers, or tries to throw to covered receivers when others are wide open. Some drives he looks adequate, and others simply atrocious. If he could just look adequate he'd be more than enough for this team but it is not going to be pretty the first game we get down 2 TDs... |
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tbh i think it's more than Cassel that has the chiefs coaches avoiding the passing game.
1. our tackles struggle holding the edge which is magnified when the other team knows we are passing. 2. Wide receivers are meh and there isn't any speed at the position to scare the defense. The defenses just go man-to-man with no worries 3. Cassel - he's slow with the reads and not very accurate. He also reacts even worse to pressure than most QB's. Big priority this coming offseason is upgrading the passing game on all points imo |
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