1. If he were a pitcher, the BA on BIP would be remarkably low for him. Remarkably low.

2. Fixed. He's Herm's son.

As I've said before, he lacks the necessary instincts and presence to be a high-quality QB. Unfortunate byproducts of not playing since high school, and he's not going to learn these traits in the NFL.

Whether or not he goes through his progressions is irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is that he does a poor job of it, because he misses open receivers.

Where's the gif of Bowe getting lit the **** up because he's Cassel's primary read? Meanwhile, Brokaki is wide open at the next level.

Microcosm.

No, you didn't.

Watch his first pass attempt of the game. He throws it before the receiver has even turned around

Watch him on the sack-fumble that led to the defensive TD. He never sees the blitzer, nor does he stop from doing anything than looking at his primary receiver.

Watch him on any number of roll outs. The play that we almost exclusively run with Moeaki is a single read throw with a lot of noise. He never even attempts to go anywhere else with the ball. It's always a PA fake, a roll out, and a throw to Moeaki on the drag route.

You don't have to make reads against a prevent defense. That's why anyone can play against it. Everyone is back 12 yards, and as a result, everyone is open short. Thus, a series of short-intermediate throws over the middle of the field to wide open receivers who are held from large gains by the 4 deep shell.

When he had to "make reads" in the first half, he routinely shit himself and took a number of unnecessary sacks because he can't read a defense.

Stat lines =/= quality of play.

He also had three passes that should have been picked off that were dropped last week, and two of them were inside the 10 yard line.

I suppose if he wrote me a check for a couple million I'd like him.

If he throws the ****ing ball away instead of taking a sack that will get me to calm my dislike of his QB skills.

yes, I did.

have fun repeating yourself for naught..eventually the line will become tired and then the shift once agian will go to Haley or Pioli.

as tk said, it's about being right. it's predictable and boring.

I'm not sure what play you're talking about, unless you're mistaking Bowe for Charles, who also got lit up.

But if you want another example, on that deep ball to Chambers he overthrew by five yards, Moeaki was wide open over the deep middle. It would have been an easier throw.

This is a whole lot of drivel. The least you could do is actually offer evidence to support your claim. Then it might actually have merit.

Hamas is right, but he would love to be wrong.

and right on cue. predictable. boring.

Bowe was damn near killed in Denver. Got up quickly, talking some shit to let Broncos players know that he'd still be importing.

You're pretty much doing the same thing you were doing when people were (correctly) calling out Grbac for subpar play.

This is just nonsense.

Here's how argumentation works:

You make a claim, you support that claim with evidence.

Example:

"Cassel went through his reads" (claim)

Ok, where's the evidence?

Counterargument:

"Cassel didn't go through his reads and can't read a defense" (claim)

Evidence: the multiple things I listed that you excised.

Your retort was a red herring about Haley and Pioli and then another non-sequitur.

He's like the little boy that doesn't want to hear there is no Santa.

BTW, stevie, there is no Santa Claus.

I'm assuming that the Chiefs run the West Coast offense, if not then I can't think of another offensive system that makes sense with the Chiefs offensive philosophies. Assuming that, everyone should know that the WCO requires a QB that makes QUICK reads to open receivers.

Our problem is, while Cassel knows they need to be quick, they're wrong a little bit too much for most everyone's liking. I think that's why Cassel does seem to get better later in the game. The WCO is designed for short routes early on to get the defense spread out, then use that advantage to go deeper, which means not as quick of reads by the QB.

Another big problem is a WCO QB needs to be deadly accurate, and Cassel isn't quite there.......

Grbac eventualy spiraled out of control and became a complete wuss. It wasn't hard to abandon that ship.

I stood behind Green too...you remember the trint year.

Cassel isn't going anywhere. they are in year two, and as been shown the defense and running game aren't where they need to be. the quick start has deluded the status of this team..still has lots of work to be done, including QB play.

ROFL

Most hilarious post of this season.

The defense and running game are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the passing game.

The limiting factor on this team isn't defense or the running game. You could have all-pro players at every position and the team is still limited by the guy distributing the ball.

Almost every offensive philosophy is an offshoot of Sid Gillman's offense that he developed in the 50s with the Rams.

The west coast offense basically takes the short passing game aspects of that offense and uses it not only as the basis of teh passing game, but as an extension of teh running game.

Air Coryell uses the quick read and timing intermediate and deeper routes as it's base pass offense, with a sprinkling of the short game to balance.

The system that the Chiefs are using is basically a scaled down version of Gillman's entire system that uses all of the principles of Gillman's offense, but simplifies it.

I forget the name for that scaled down version.

the limiting factor isn't relegated to one guy...each week is different..each game has it's own goat, or subpar play...

Casshell.

LMAO

I'm inclined to think this, after several weeks of reading here.

If Matt Cassel were to call a press conference tomorrow and announce that he was resigning from football, effective immediately AND donating what he's already been paid to widows and orphans, the guys on CP would be posting, "Not enough. He should commit suicide. In the stadium. On camera."

His family will be well provided for.

By lighting fire to an aids tree as he's drinking anti-freeze.

I like this thread!

I'd like Cassel if he drank a gallon of antifreeze, set himself on fire and let himself be sodomized by a 400 lb man while eating a bag of dicks.

This offense is called Erhardt Perkins.

And hanging from the aids tree, too.

With rope-snakes biting his wrists.

He would grade out perfectly in that case.

I'll cheer for Cassel when hes under center with a lightning bolt on his head.

This is what all the Cassel backers sound like:

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When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are
Anything your heart desires will come to you

If your heart is in your dreams, no request is too extreme
When you wish upon a star as dreamers do

Fate is kind, she brings to those who love
The sweet fulfillment of their secret longing

Like a bolt out of the blue, fate steps in and sees you thru
When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true

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ok...that made me lol...

They sure are. I agree w/ you Gochiefs.

Running game is by far the strength of the team but I agree w/ Stevie too and I see what he is trying to say, yeah the defense isn't where it needs to be.

It's true. It may be leaps and bounds better than last year, but is this a defense that could help carry us into the playoffs? Im not sure.

The inconsistencies are present on D. And it's becoming increasingly clear they are still lacking the players.

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I know, I know
damn you

Our defense has played well enough this year that we could be 7-2.

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I know, I know
damn you

Exactly, and there is enough film out there on him, he is no longer surprising anyone. They can tee off on his tendancies.

Try us, please Matt!

i would love to see him be a good nfl QB.

but, IT WONT HAPPEN.

Jesus Christ he sucks, if you think he is decent you are a ****ing moron. Watch the games over, see how many people he over throws, how he holds on to the balls..

It pisses me off just thinking about it

This.

I have seen enough. There is no more tale to tell. Flush, please.

Did you watch the first five games of the season? He did that with regularity.

So what in the hell has happened in the last 3? He gets flushed out of the pocket, but instead of doing what a HS QB would do and throw it away, he takes the damn sack.

Dexter McCluster.

.....This is a large portion.

why would anyone like a $63 million dollar game manager being passed off as a Franchise QB to a fanbase that hasn't sniffed a superbowl in decades?

what kind of self-hating idiot would continue in the belief that we don't deserve a real god damn QB for once in our sorry ****ing lives?

I mean really, after sticking your fingers up your butts and pretending that QB isn't the #1 reason we've blown ass for decades, after almost 27 years since we botched the draft and took Blackledge, we haven't made a single serious attempt to acquire and develop a QB instead preferring every used car demo program model piece of warmed over low risk low reward shit...to the never ending cheers of the Fanbase as it is represented by the stevierays and dented-skull types like patteau

the question is why would anyone 'like' a QB that everyone knows isn't good enough?

you don't watch the good QBs in the league and say to yourself, "why aren't we drafting a QB every single ****ing year until we get one of those?!?"

why isn't the only god damn objective of this team since FOREVER to do anything to acquire THAT QB, no matter how many failures it takes?

This franchise isn't doing jack shit until it gets the QB position figured out. You can draft midget scat backs and punt returners from now until the next Elvis Bono comes...

This.

Matt Cassel can get on a flaming aids Segway and ride off a cliff.


And so can all of his fans.

This.

So has Matt Cassel.

I really dont know how you pin the Raider loss squarely on Cassel. When they got the break, he hit Bowe on the TD. The defense failed to hold leads against the Texans and Raiders.

The Colts loss though, was squarely on him.

I don't know what all has happened although one thing that's happened is that the offensive line has played poorly. I'd imagine that both Cassel and the defensive lines he's faced share the rest of the blame. Instead, it seems like the CP conventional wisdom is that it's all Cassel, despite the solid play in this regard that he demonstrated in the first 5 games.

I'm not a Cassel fan at all, I think he's horrible, but what Brock says is right.

I'm all for drafting a QB every year until you hit on something. I wouldn't use the 1st round pick on a QB every year though because that's stupid. I don't want a franchise that spends decades in last place waiting for their savior QB. If you do, maybe you'd be happier as a fan of the Detroit Lions. They aren't quite that stupid, but they're as close as you can find at the moment.

Can we use ONE 1st round pick? We havent done that since Blackledge.

No. He has not. The games we won were in spite of him. We would have the exact same record if Croyle was QB. Possibly better.

Probably a stretch when Croyle has never won a game in his NFL career as a starter.

Well we will miss you...

Stevie what have you seen of Cassel that thinks he is able to lead this team to a championship?

Nothing... but none of us on this board have control over it... So all we get to do is :banghead: and bitch like menstrating women...

I am done with Cassel... he can go... ON top of that, I never want to see Broke Dick take another snap here was well...

Time to clean house at the QB position...

Bowe's dropped TD pass didn't outweigh Cassel's shortcomings?

Thats sound brilliant and all. But pretty stupid when you actually think about what you're saying.

Here is what we would have if we just followed your formula for the last 2 seasons. Since Cassel was brought in.

We would have about 150 million in salary tied up, Sanchez and Claussen. Niether of these guys looks to be what you are describing as a franchise guy. Sanchez threw 20 picks for 12 TDs and Clausen looks like a bust and not worthy of the #5 pick.

Unless you get Payton Manning QBs dont win games by themselves.

The assholes that say they can wait to develop a QB are the same assholes that are complaining while we try to develop one. Im not a big Cassel fan. But I also dont talk out of both sides of my face. I said I would give the guy a chance and thats what I will do.

Besides, when you start wishing harm on someone who is doing his job the best he can, its time to start watching golf. I get aggrivated, but damn....gain some perspective will ya?

What would it take?

Cassel threw what should have been the game-winning touchdown to Bowe against the Raiders...down on the road, in the 4th quarter, division rival.

IF our defense holds Oakland after that score and we win...there would be less Cassel-bashing.

It's all predicated on winning and losing. People made their minds up last year about him when we were losing, and they ain't gonna change it now. It was a lot more quiet when we were winning this year, but after dropping the games we have...everything, EVERYTHING he does incorrectly (bad pass, not throwing the ball away) is magnified to an absurd level.

People will not change their minds...but they'll be more quiet if we win.

It was a huge play no doubt. But the defense kept giving him opportunity after opportunity and he failed with it.

On the first drive of the game, he locked on Bowe when Castille and Moeaki were coming open.

Absolutely. Over the years, I'd draft some guys early and some guys late. I'd also allow for the possibility of acquiring guys through trade or free agency. My philosophy would be to always be churning through QBs from all sources until I hit a home run on one of them.

No not really...

I was at the game and it was obvious that Cassel didnt elevate his game or anyones around him.

It was night and day looking live at Indy passing game vs Chiefs passing game..

You can't say he didn't play well enough to win a game if we actually won it. Don't be ridiculous.

I dont disagree. Its just more of an indictment of how untalented Matt Cassel really is.

:spock:

It's entirely possible for the rest of the team to overcome poor QB play and still win the game.

Really? Night and day comparing Manning and Cassel? Wow, I never would have imagined.

If Bowe catches the ball KC takes the lead late in the 3rd quarter and has lots of momentum (INT followed by a TD). Not to mention Haley's dumbass decision not to go for 3 on the first drive.

Cassel came up flat for most of the 4th (before Haley's 2nd dumbass decision to go for a 50 yard field goal needing two scores), but the TD drop hurt big.

Not really. Because without an all-world D, this team isnt winning anything significant in the post-season with Cassel at QB.

Of course it is, but in those games even poor QB play is enough to win it.

They let the Texans game slip away by not being able to get a stop in the 4th. All it took was one and they gave up 4 straight TD's. They were torched in Denver. They allowed Jason Cambell to not only lead a drive to tie the game, but win the game with a big throw in OT. A couple defensive stops in crunch time and they are 7-2.

Awesome. Thats what I want. A poor QB that plays not to lose.

Oh wait. We have that.

I bet you guys all pine for the days of Lin Elliot and Todd Blackledge.

For a team that is in their first year of rebuilding (again) overall the team isn't doing so bad. The way most have posted here you would think the expectations after an 0-4 pre-season wouldn't be very high. Sounds like you all expect the playoffs and possibly the Super Bowl this year.

I'd like to see the best, but I don't expect the best of this team this year. Within the next 2-3 they should be making a serious run.

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