PLACE AT THE TABLE!!!!!!!

Why do those stats mean something, but Mark Sanchez is still the same noodle-armed pussy when he goes from 12-20 in 15 games to 16 and 11 in 12?

You two need to get a room and have some make up sex...

Does anyone think the Panthers won't take Luck with the #1 pick? Clausen will be a career backup if that happens.

No one said Sanchez hadn't improved. Just that he still sucked.

Damn, follow along.

Here's something you never got while pine-riding in the National Association of Ineligable Athletes: a logic lesson.

You admit you don't watch anything but Chiefs games. You say that stats can't tell the full story. Yet at the same time, you claim that stats can tell the story for Clausen, but apparently not for Sanchez, seeing the marked improvement in the very same TD-INT stats you use for Clausen, and Cassel.

Why is that?

I almost brought this up other day.

The Panthers will most likely be picking #1 overall and Clausen is NOT a player (turns out Weis knew this duh!). They will not pass on a QB. They know their QBOTF is not on that roster. Watch.

What's funny is how so many here talked up Clausen, and how we would pick him because of the Weis connection. I guess Charlie knew he would suck ass as an NFL QB. Those would be some fun threads to dig up.....

He better hope he is that lucky....

Calling someone the "same noodle-armed pussy" doesn't infer a sense of improvement. It infers a sense of stagnation.

Clausen's contract is too cheap not to take that chance.

I watch a lot of games actually.

Second, you can't throw 1 TD and 6 picks in 9 games with 8 fumbles and be playing well Hamas. YOU CAN'T. Just ****ing stop.

Second, I have watched quite a bit of Sanchez this year and the guy still looks like trash a lot. No pocket awareness, stares down his primary, etc. All the shit he had problems with last year. The guy just is never going to be an all star QB. I don't know why you and some others here have an obsession with him. He's not a manning or Brady. And never will be.

LMAO

fake mma guy on Cassel

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...ghlight=Cassel


what a piece of shit hypocrite

Already been explained......check the dates homo

You do realize that Hypocrosity is what drives this board and the sole foundation of CP dont you?

Hell every person on here at some point has been a hyprocrite... No one is immune...

The difference is that opinions change. My opinion changed of Cassel as the season went on. So him bringing that up is really quite stupid. Lots of peoples opinions on players change. So he's just being the no talent ass clown he was raised to be.

fake mma guy spends his day threatening people for not sharing his opinions...even though he's just a flip flopping know-knowing like hootie, you, and pawnsmoker...


and the Croyle bit, given what's on the board right now, is just too rich...

Somebody is really taking things pretty seriously on here.

:DWhy you dragging Dane into this? And thankfully we have you on here, on that is always right and has never changed his opinion on anything...

At little to serious actually.. Its just a message board, it has zero bearing on real life...

Who here takes any of this serious? I know I sure the hell dont.. Nothing said here has ever ever changed what happens in the chiefs organization.

ROFL

Except that when someone else does it......Guardian is quick to point it out and never let it go. All of his posts are one of two types.

1. *Insert name here* said this player sucks.
2. Wanna fight about it?

I think Dane has hijacked his account...

One of the first rules of this place, don't get too worked up and serious about anything.

But even following his normal non-reasoning pattern, this one was just too funny.

So if he thought Croyle was a better option then, why couldn't he improve just like Cassel, with the same supporting cast improvments?

Especially a talented player that had done something at the College level, won a bowl game and was the MVP? Why couldn't this player improve as much as one that had "buffed pine" with his butt, to borrow from Hamas?

dane doesn't threaten people physically, fake mma guy does regularly


and dane can be funny.....fake mma guy just threatens people

and dane cusses well......fake mma guy just threatens people

and dane is smart....fake mma guy just threatens people

I thought Croyle should of been given a chance earlier in the year...

Only difference is Cassel has had most if not all of the important reps and game time...

Croyle could possibly be just as good with the SAME amount of reps and game time.... But considering he hasnt had the SAME amount. I dont want to crown him the franchise savior just yet..

If Croyle gets the chance to start and play 2 straight seasons, I would expect him to be as good as Cassel. Until then? He is a backup and hopefully he plays well enough not to cost the Chiefs this game on Sunday.

Lets just agree to disagree....

Dane isnt funny, he does threaten people, all he does is cuss and smart or not, he isnt the end all of CP... He's a bitter fan....

You know what this thread needs???

HAPPY SPARKLE FUN TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with most of what you said....but being excited to watch him play is a LONG way from crowning him to be the savior.

If Brodie shits the bed on Sunday, even without equal playing time, I will fine with closing that chapter of this team. But he was drafted, and played mostly for Herm ****ing Edwards.

Dane can actually be a nice guy when you get to know him.

Guardian is just a douche.

4 raiders in first round, not bad.

Ironic isn't it.

And Adam Schefter stated today that Pouncey is his #2 Offensive Rookie of the Year behind Bradford.

How many Steelers games have you watched this season, Jason? How many Seahawks games, for that matter?

And if you think that 5 INT's and 64 tackles isn't impressive for a rookie on a 6-6 team, what would be impressive, Jason?

So moral of the story is that he threatens people?

If he did rank them by productivity, then Mike Willaims should have gone ahead of Bryant.

Earl Thomas played well and put up good stats, but he hasn't been the physical presense that Berry has been, nor has he been given nearly the the same amount of responsibility in his defense as Berry has been given.

If you have actually seen them both play, while Thomas has played well, he hasn't played as well overall as Berry has.

And this whole idea of "redrafting" before even the completion of the rookie season is just a stupid ****ing idea.

Yeah, I've seen the Seahawks several times and I'd agree with your assessment. He has more of a "center fielder" type role with the Seahawks. And while Berry has been gradually improving in the passing game, he's been tits in the run game since day one.

It's silly but gives us something other than Cassel's anatomy to talk about this week.

fyp

I think it's an interesting study at the end of the season, if for nothing more than seeing which teams "missed" and which teams "hit".

For example, I mentioned on draft day that if Moeaki hasn't had the injuries in college, he'd have most certainly been a low first rounder. Lo and behold, Gosselin "re-drafted" him in the low first round and I think he's proven to have first round production when healthy this season.

Don Banks from SI usually does a re-draft when the season's over and I always find them entertaining. I'm not stating that either Gosselin or Banks are right or wrong, but it's entertaining to me, nonetheless.

ROFL

The anger in this thread is getting into draft day territory.


It's ****ing great!

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I haven't said a single negative thing about Berry since draft day or before. But that doesn't negate the play of Earl Thomas.

Berry was a better choice for the Chiefs and their defense but Earl Thomas has been nothing but solid for the Seahawks.

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What?

What kind of twisted, misguided question is this and why are you asking me this question?

You know, I like you but I'm tired of your line of questioning. It's completely senseless, Dude.

Furthermore, I bet you can find hundreds of post where I chronicle Berry's improvement over the course of the season. I don't recall seeing even one post by you about Berry.

No offense, just telling it like it is, Dude.

Wow ok. I said I wouldn't trade berry for thomas. You quote it and disagree. Then you agree with milk man that he's better for us. So would you trade them? If not why call out my post? And ftr I don't believe a center is worth the third. But il remember that come draft timePosted via Mobile Device

Blount at #14? UFA to #14 overall? I don't think so. I know he is playing well but lets let the story be told. Chances are he sees any success he goes dumbass.

I might agree with this. However I saw his 2nd career nfl touchdown where he was more concerned with helping up the O-lineman he plowed over on his way to the endzone that stopping to do the "Dougie". Maybe there is hope for him.

You never know but the fact is, people rarely really change and drafting him at #14 would have likely validated his previous attitude. Going undrafted likely grounded him a bit at least for a while. I doubt being a high draft choice would have motivated him as much.

Hell maybe I am completely wrong.

Not bad, I drafted three guys for trhe Falcons that ended up as a first rounder in this redraft. Nailed their first rounder and drafted one guy that was redrafted in the first, in the third (Ford) and the other guy redrafted in the first (Moeaki) in the fifth.

Here was my follow up post in the CP draft talking with Mecca...Again, Pat Angerer (Pronounced 'Anger') was the other Hawkeye I wanted us to draft along with Moeaki.

I also said over and over that IF we were dead set on taking a OT in the first, I would take Bulaga over Okung...but that he was no better than a 10-15 pick...seems my "homerism" (as some call it) is pretty ****ing spot on when it comes to Hawkeye players.

I would be a beast in evaluating players predraft, if I was able to watch a lo more college ball. IMO of course

idk man pre face punch he was supposed to be a top 25 pick

Actually, you are spot on IMO.

I made the same comment about Dez Bryant in another thread.

First off, I didn't "call out" your post. You claimed that none of these player discussed have been worth their "re-draft" status.

I countered with information that maybe you weren't aware of to you help you understand why Gosselin chose the way he did.

Pouncey has the makings of Dermotti Dawson, a perennial Pro Bowler. He's been dominant in a defensive heavy division and has been the Steelers best lineman. They're currently 9-3, BTW. Earl Thomas has 64 tackles and 5 INT's for a 6-6 division leading team and has been doing everything asked of him for their scheme.

If those aren't reason enough for you to consider why they'd be highly touted, I don't know what to tell you.

The purpose of a "re-draft" is to asses the current level of play by rookies and based on their level of performance, re-slot them based on that value. If you disagree, please explain why you disagree. Don't just say "This is bullshit" or "This guy's an idiot" or any other predictable, non-informed remark.

And if you want to play "that game", I can tell you that while I wouldn't advocate taking a center at #3 overall, I'd certainly take Pouncey over Tyson Jackson.

At the end of the day, it's about the player's performance, not where he was drafted, as evidenced by this "re-draft".

With the way Pouncey has played, I wonder how high his brother will go.

That said, if someone took him at 3rd overall, that would be a gross misuse of draft value.

So in all seriousness, what good does it do to Re-draft?

I mean seriously? Besides all the peter pounding from everyone, does it acutally make your dick bigger?

What a waste of bandwidth and disk space on the server...

Unless he turned out to be a perennial Pro Bowler, then it would be justified.

No way.

You can get a perrenial pro bowl quality center in the second round or very late first (at the earliest)

Nick Mangold 29th
Alex Mack 21st

If you spend a top three pick on a center, no matter how good, you should be ridiculed Tyson Jackson style.

Ive watched the Steelers a few times this year and he is a damn good player, but not THAT good.

I havent watched a lot of Florida games, I wonder if his brother has the skill set to be a center and not just a guard...I would be fine (if not happy even) if he fell to our pick in the first in the next draft and he is the guy to replace Weigman.

That would give us a hella nice, and young, OL.

Really? On a consistent basis?

I disagree.

Rarely does Pre-Draft value equal Post-Draft value. If you can get a perennial Pro Bowler with any first round draft pick, whether it's first, second, third, or 15th, you do it.

In 1993, do you think that the Cardinals would have rather had Will Shields #3 overall or Garrison Hearst?

There are a slew of players I would rather have over him at 3... from this last draft, especially.

I value OL more than most on this board, but taking a center at 3 is foolish no matter the quality of the player.

Like I said, I would have little issue with us taking one with our next pick if one that is worth that pick is there. I would like to hear what some say about his brother in the upcoming draft...if he is there and they feel he can play center at a similar level to his brother, it would be a damn good pick IMO

Nick Mangold and Alex Mack is about where ELITE centers go, Pittsburgh reached a tad but #18 isnt that bad...that may be the new line for where you can draft an elite one. Also, take into account that they had little needs and he was a perfect fit for what they want fro the position.

#3 overall would be foolish.

...

Let me ask you this...would you rather have a 10 year probowl center, or a guy that can make three or four career probowls as a pass rusher?

Pouncy brother hasn't impressed me from what I've seen. Maybe he's gotten better on his snaps. I thought guard for him
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Haven't we been berated enough about only LT top twenty or so. Def not top five. Don't make me search tomorrow
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That's not the point.

If you're going "re-draft", tell us all right now who would be a better value at a need position than Pouncey to the Bucs?

McCoy has been a disappointment and compared to Pouncey, he's a MAJOR disappointment.

If my team needed a center and a pass rusher and I absolutely knew without a doubt that if I chose the pass rusher, I'd get four Pro Bowls out of him versus ten with a center in the same spot, I'd take the pass rusher.

The problem is that no one ever truly knows for a fact before the draft. That's why a hindsight re-draft like this is interesting.

Again, it's the Post-Draft value that's important.

Can see that point. But I would still take berry over thomas. And no center top three lolPosted via Mobile Device

For this team? Absolutely.

As I mentioned earlier, if you're looking at this "Re-Draft", do you take Dez Bryant and Nate Allen (a much better fit for this defense than Earl Thomas) or do you take Berry & McCluster?

I don't think Earl Thomas was even on the Chiefs radar because his particular skillset doesn't fit Romeo's defense.

And if this were 2009, I'd be absolutely thrilled with Pouncey over Jackson.

:D

But did we go allen?
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Talking about Jackson, I wonder if he will make any impact in this game.

Remember, he played quite well in the last matchup till he got hurt.

True. That was a really solid 3 minutes of play.

This "Re-Draft" had Dez Bryant at five and Berry to Seattle at #12.

Where does this talk of Thomas or Allen even enter the equation? Where are you coming from, Jason? I don't get it.

Your implication is that he played well due to the matchup, which is no longer the same since McNeil returned.

Jackson looked "decent" in two quarters out of 112. It's not likely that he returns to that form on Sunday, although it would most certainly be welcome.

Jackson is a LDE, McNeil has nothing to do with his specific matchup in that game. My use of "matchup" was more due to the teams matchup rather than the individual player matchups, though.

In those 2 quarters, he got like 6 tackles and played a role in getting the lead and limiting their running game.

I didn't see asecond round was wondering if I missed it. You said bryant and allen over berry mcclusterPosted via Mobile Device

your face smells worse than your farts. all of you..

Dane are you all right today? I've been drinking but thought the conversation was pretty easy to follow.
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LMAO

Well, as long as it makes sense to you, Jason, that's all the matters.

:D

This was a hypothetical based on Gosselin's mock that I proposed about 7 hours ago:

I'm out, Dude. Have a good night!

If we drafted Dez at 5, it may have ended up a collasal mistake. Players like that that get the big money, often get engulfed in all the pressures that much money carries with it.

Falling to Dallas humbled him and made him work harder.

JMO

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What does it mean that the guy in the photo you use to make fun of someone is better looking than you are in the picture of you flexing?

A center going 3rd overall.
LeGarrette Blount 14th?(I really wanted the Chiefs to draft this guy late, but everyone knows he went undrafted because of character not talent, and he would NEVER go in the 1st)

You just said another man was better looking you better come out of the very closet you stranglebait in.

I thought Gosselin was better than this crap.

:spock:

Its billay....
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