I wanted to draft 2 WRs in the first 4-5 rounds before this.....now I definitely want to. We need an outside guy, and now a slot guy.

JC barely survived? Says who? He was still popping off big runs at the end of the season and showed no signs of wear and tear. You just pulled that out of your ass.

And those "CB's and Safeties" aren't just any DBs. Those were two of the best in the game and Cassel hung Dexter out to dry. Period. Charles would've been lit the **** on either of those plays. Moeaki would've gotten his bell wrung. Like i said, weak.

I'm not trying to rationalize shit. I think it' much more of a matter of you and GC being irrational.

But GC is irrational. That's how he gets is attention. The whole board knows that. So you pairing with him just makes YOU look ridiculous.

You guys have done nothing but slam the pick since day one. He hasnt played a full season and hes already a bust.


I recall you freaking out when Pioli cut Pollard.

Jones? C'mon now. If this "moving McCluster to RB" thing is true, then we clearly know how they feel about Jones coming into this season.

How else would you describe a slot WR who is moved to #3 RB?

Can you explain how Dexter is going to live up to his draft potential as a #3 RB?

FYP...

Point is, WR is a much bigger position of need right now. And the gadgetguy they drafted high in the 2nd round last year has allegedly been relieved of trying to fill that need.

Which is about 450 yards more than you could contribute. :deevee:

Why do so many still get caught up in the idea that you can only have one scat back and we MUST have a power back? I'd rather have a team of home run hitters. Maybe that's just me. I like playmakers i guess.

And no one would take Charles out on 3rd down unless he needed it. Which is what we're talking about here. Finding a back equal to Charles' skill set is going to be damn near impossible. Comparing Dex to Charles isn't fair.

Most teams are able to get backup scat-backs in the 4th or 5th round. And when forego the NT your defense desperately needs in favor of said scat back with the 34th overall pick, you've done something horrifyingly stupid.

It was an awful pick when it was made, it's an even worse one now. The amount of talent available in that 2nd round was truly staggering and we took a goddamn midget that can't play the position we had hoped for him.

And the best defense we can come up with is that it allows Haley, who was absolutely incompetent when calling plays 2 season ago, to be more creative in his offense. Yeah, that's gonna work out well.

The pick was a disaster.

I'm quoting this in case anyone missed it. The guy was a MONSTER out of the backfield at Ole Miss.

If only we coulda drafted Golden Tate or DeSean Jackson light in the third...

So McCluster is more talented than message board posters....

Best #36 pick ever.

Pairing with him?

Dude has the same opinion I do. I'd bet there are others that share it as well.

There's nothing irrational about it - I'm not going to rationalize a pick just because the dude has an Arrowhead on his helmet now.

It was an average pick at best if the dude was going to be a slot WR.

It's a waste of a very high 2nd round pick to move him to RB full time at 5-nothing and 170 pounds.

Everyone wants to be excited over the kid because he made a 240 pound FB miss on a wet field on opening night and was never touched the rest of the way.

Everyone hates the pick when it was made BECAUSE he was listed as a RB. Everyone flipped the **** out.

Then everyone rationalized the pick when they realized he'd be used as a slot WR.

Now he's back to a full-time RB, and y'all are tripping over yourselves trying to convince anyone that will listen that "the black Wes Welker" is now going to be the next Jamaal Charles.

It's pretty ****ing comical to watch, actually.

I hope the kid proves me wrong. Since we're here to talk football and express opinions, however, my opinion is that he won't.

Why do you guys keep saying #3? You do know there is a difference between 3rd down back and #3 back, don't you?

And I know you don't seriously think Haley is going to just keep Dex on the bench.....He will be involved....far more than any #3 back would be.

And some of you have done nothing but praise the pick since it was made.

Your point?

And I don't think I've ever said he was a bust.

I have said he wasn't worth that high of a pick.

Disaster? Really? A tad overstated, IMO.

read the post...Haley described him as a 3rd down back


he's a postionless player....a gadget...the 36th pick in the draft

How dare you pair up with Clayton, you irrational bastard?

Everyone started rationalizing the pick once they SAW what he could do on the field. Something that you and GC want to ignore.

The kid is a playmaker anyway you slice it. If you watched any Cheifs games, it was clear to see. He has home run potential and Haley will use him. That's all that matters.

I was pissed last year when I saw the Chiefs second round picks and nothing has changed to make me feel different. Both picks were EPIC wastes of second round picks especially on a team with so many needs. The only good part of those picks is that at the time I was on a bar crawl in the French Quarter so I was able to numb the pain.

I still think Dex has a lot of potential. Speed kills.

LMAO

This is comical. He wasn't a playmaker. He made 3 or 4 great plays and the rest of the year he made the most exciting 3 and 4 yard catches in NFL history. His dreadlocks fluttered about wildly as he gained those 3 and 4 yards like a true stud.

The dude is NOT a playmaker. In the playoffs, he was a great big waste of touches.

Unrealistic expectations are fueling all this talk of bust. As long as the guy ends up being a solid contributor for a number of years, he'll be a successful pick. Sure you can get pro-bowlers at the top of the second round, but the vast majority of those selected in that part of the draft don't go on to become pro-bowlers. Whether he's ever a starter or not (and I doubt he will be whether he plays running back or slot receiver), as long as he's a solid contributor, I'll be satisfied with him.

4th and 6 inches called, and wants its toss-sweep back.

Listen, I'm not saying we HAVE to have a power back.

But if you watched this team AT ALL last year, you know that short yardage was a huge issue - and that's WITH Jones on the roster.

Explain how this is a knee jerk reaction?

When the pick was made, it was panned by many as a stupid luxury pick for a team that had pressing issues at NT, LB, QB and yes, WR. Instead we took a gimmicky scat-back that likely couldn't stay healthy who would struggle to find a regular role in the offense. We were informed that he was clearly going to be the #3 WR the team desperately needed (and that someone like Benn or Williams would be nowhere near as good as the elusive midget).

16 NFL regular season games and 1 post-season game later he has shown to be a guy that couldn't stay healthy and who we couldn't find a regular role in the offense. It also appears increasingly likely that he isn't going to be the #3 WR and most assuredly won't be better than most of the WRs taken after him.

It's not a knee-jerk reaction, it's a vindication. Those of us that hated this pick from the moment it was made have been right across the board. If you need to call it a knee-jerk reaction in order to make yourself feel better, so be it. But there's nothing knee-jerk about this; the angst over this pick has been a long time coming.

Has more to do with the middle of the line being weak, imo.

"Slash & Dash Duo"

Meaning he will be getting plenty of carries. And just because a guy is labeled 3rd down back doesn't mean he actually comes in on 3rd down.

3rd down back is such a mislabled term.

Look, If he fails, fine. I'll eat crow. But i'm not going to sit here and write the kid off before he even gets a chance like some of you want too. That's irrational.

He showed flashes last season that he can be explosive. Lets see what he can do before we start bitching about him.

Because none of us know exactly how he is going to be used.

Yeah, it's called an O-line that got it's shit pushed in. A back that averages 6.4 YPC can't get 1 yard?

Sounds like an O-line that failed when we needed it.

That 4th and inches was a John Cooper move. I think their short yardage issues start upfront continue at the RB position and end with the coaching staff.

Broke into little pieces by week 8.

The man we should've taken forced the fumble that ended the season for us last season when he pursued the RB from behind and stripped the ball.

We're still looking at getting a LBer with our 1st rounder who's not likely to be better than Washington out of TCU who was another guy we should've considered. Oh yeah, and that doesn't even get into the myriad of WRs that would've been great pickups for us last season at that spot that we passed on.

Yeah, I'd say that's a disaster. When you look at not only what he's been and where we took him, but also what the opportunity cost was in a very very deep draft, that pick has been a complete mess.

I'd like to see a list of all these plays that he supposedly made.

He made a 240 pound FB miss on a wet field, took advantage of piss-poor ST coverage and returned a punt for a TD.

He scored against SF after a LB took a shitty angle and whiffed. No one else was even in the area for the next 25 yards.

Those are the two biggest "plays" he made all year.

I'd like to see EXACTLY how DMc is used this year before I vag out over all of this.

LMAO

I love this crap...first it was Hootie saying it...now it's you....

McCluster might be able to take 5 or 6 carries a game without getting his ass destroyed and fumbling all over the place. That's less than 100 carries a year, and that's if he stays healthy for ALL 16 games.

The Chiefs ran the ball 556 times last year. Who is going to carry the ball the other 456 times? Not Charles. Let's say he gets 300 of those carries.

So you're left with another 156 carries. Those go to your #2 running back. And if your #2 running back is, you know, actually a good player, why would you want to take carries away from him and give them to a guy who can't even run between the tackles without getting destroyed?

McCluster is going to catch 30 passes for 300 yards out of the backfield next year and look exciting as **** doing it...

OK, "vast" majority might have been a bit of an overstatement on my part, but it's a clear majority. I spot checked 5 years worth of draft (from 1996 to 2000) to see how the 36th overall pick +/- 2 picks (picks 34, 35, 36, 37, and 38) fared and found that 28% eventually made the pro bowl during their career. So, IMO, a solid contributor is what you should expect from that pick and if you end up with a pro-bowl quality player, you've exceeded expectations.

Exactly.

Smells like draft season.....

The "I was right all along" argument is so ****ing shallow. I guess that's a good thing or half this board would have drown.

You know damn well what I'm talking about. Don't pretend like you didn't watch him. He had several big plays taken back.

If he's used like a scat-back, it's a stupid pick.

You don't take gimmick scat-backs at 36 overall. Those can be had a hell of a lot later and we could have taken a NT, LB, real WR or any number of other holes we had last season that we're still trying to fill.

I don't care how he's being used if he's not being used as a slot WR. You don't take freakin' scat-backs that high.

He had ONE big play taken back all year.

ONE.

Way to take my post out of context. They'll not only be using him on 3rd down. There. Better?

I agree. You may not HAVE to have a power back, but it sure would be nice. Of course, the OL is a factor in that short yardage game too, but you've got to have a short yardage capability of some kind that hopefully doesn't involve throwing the ball.

That's water under the bridge. We have him. So, now the question is: How does he get used, and where is he most effective.

A back that avg's 6.4 YPC should be able to handle 4th and 1. It's an O-line failure.

He had one play taken back, and it wouldn't have happened had there not been fouls on the play.

It's odd, I can remember the times he got blown up, or the times where he couldn't make a defender in the open field miss, but I'm struggling to remember all these "plays" some of you are claiming he made.

Hey Clayton, any chance you could produce the video of McCluster getting caught in the open field by George ****ing Selvie in the Rams game?

And if that's your position, fine. But don't sit around and say this is some knee-jerk reaction by alarmists. This isn't; it's vindication of the concerns they had all along.

And for what it's worth, there's no such thing as 'water under the bridge' in the NFL. We're still looking to fill the #2 WR, Ted Backer and NT positions even though there were excellent options available to us at all 3 positions with that pick last season. So now we're going to be using yet another pick to address them.

It's not 'water under the bridge', at best it's a sunk cost.

I'd rather have Wes Welker

Were there two? I only remember the one against Denver.

I'll see if I can find the Rams play.

"Bob Gretz suggests" doesn't sound quite as strongly worded as "definitely moving."

Say what I've always said: seems too small for RB.

It's a play-calling failure; you don't run a toss-sweep to the short side there, you simply don't.

But I'm sure that same play-caller will be able to brilliantly unlock the untapped potential of Dexter McCluster. He showed himself to be so very creative in 2009.

x2

Some people, like myself, argued that Spiller should be a consideration at #5 overall last year because of his abilities as a receiver. In fact, his skill set made him one of the most intriguing "WR" options in all of the 2010 draft.

Thus, the assumption was that DMC was filling this type of role for the Chiefs, that he was primarily selected to work out of the slot, while getting some touches out of the backfield.

The fact that this might not be the case is a ****ing joke, and Pioli should wear this one, right up next to Jackson and Cassel.

A back that averages 6.4 YPC should also be getting way more touches than he did this season...

Maybe so, but JC can't carry the ball every time the Chiefs call a running play and personally, I'd rather use his carries in situations where he's more likely to see some open field and break off a long one rather than in situations where he needs to focus primarily on getting one yard to move the chains.

The OL isn't nearly the factor people are making it out to be. Christ, they paved the way for JC to almost break the YPC record.

IMO, we fail in short yardage because we're ****ing predictable.

I'd like to see video on that play, because IIRC, the middle of the line held up fine - it was the POA blocking that failed, and the Ravens didn't fall for Cassel's half-assed fake to Castille.

Congrats on maybe being right?

I'm not sitting around doing or saying anything at this point. I'm simply stating that I'd like to see how they, in fact, use him this year. I'm also stating that we have his ass already, so how should he be used?

No, there was just the one, at least that I recall.

I edited my post after I had thought about it a bit more.

I disagree.

I think Haley used him right last year. I don't wanna see him have 300+ carries. I did, but I don't feel that way anymore.

I think we need to find another back with Charles' skill set to sub in. If they feel that McCluster is that back, then so be it.

Though I'd rather they take a Daniel Thomas in the 2nd or a Taiwan Jones in the 3rd or later.

Not really. Wasn't he coming off of surgery?

I agree with this. I like the idea of using JC about like they did last year and trying get some extra JC-like work out of Dexter.

I still really hope we take a long look at Clay out of Wisconsin. I know he had an off season, but Wisconsin was throwing the hell out of the ball and Clay went for 1,500 as a sophomore before slumping this season.

He's not a complete back, but he's a nice change of pace alternative to Charles in that he's a power runner with the ability to hit the hole hard. That's a guy I'd have loved to have on the roster for that 4th down play if for no other reason than the possibility that the Ravens might have actually bitten on the inside run if he was the possible target.

Clay could probably be had in the 6th round; I'm certain he'd be there in the 5th.

Check the post you quoted.

He said "touches."

No one wants JC to get 300 carries. But IMO, he should be getting many more touches as a receiver. 230 carries and 65-70 receptions would be a good load, IMO.

40 receptions isn't enough.

Absolutely agree, especially when you consider the crap that we had at WR last year

Yes, very questionable pick now. But standing on my head screaming isn't going to change it.

He's a playmaker, and I hope they find ways to use him effectively.

I also don't get why people are now nit-picking the MNF play. He made a cut, did his job and scored on a huge play to start the year. I don't care the conditions, variables or anything else. He made the play.

I'm hoping he can make more.

HE WAS A ****ING ROOKIE

JESUS CHRIST, LET IT GO.

Not nit-picking, just laying out the facts.

People are trying to claim he's this elusive guy who makes guys lose their jocks, and that hasn't been the case. At least not yet.

I hope he makes more plays as well, otherwise we've wasted yet another high R2 pick.

It's nit-picking. The guy made a play, regardless of circumstance, he made a huge play. Credit is where credit's due.

He didn't make enough of them, but I'm not closing the book on his ability to help this team entering year 2.

I love it when this place has people talking about football again. Makes me remember why this place is awesome

Honestly this whole lockout thing has screwed up people's passion for the game, and the sooner the draft begins the better

Ahhh .... the whole busted drafted pick vs the not busted drafted pick thread ..... man I have missed these. It almost feels like the off season.

Ok granted expectations have a right to be higher for McCluster. But at this point no one cares about draft position (except for the point of pissing in Pioli's cheerios), only about production. Hall probably would have been worth a #2, and McCluster could easily still pan out to be a solid pick.

if DMC was so elusive then why did he almost get killed every game because he couldn't avoid people?

I said it when he was drafted and i will say it again ... If DMC is not a weapon at WR then the pick was a shitty one.

Maybe it's part of Pioli's master plan to make that Javier Arenas pick look better.

This.

And WTF would you give up on him at WR after only his rookie year? Guy didn't even play that much he was hurt all year...

he's a midget without a position....that's what we got for the #36 pick

last year you dumbasses were claiming he was Wes Welker and making the whole board apologize to him....now you've abandoned the Welker myth and latched on to something called - and jesus this is stupid - "Slash and Dash"...

This !!! He's a playmaker and needs to get touches. He may be as good as Charles .

maybe they aren't or maybe DMC sucks ass at WR in practice and they have realized they might as well get a couple of good years out of him at RB until he gets broken in half.

we won't know until we see what position he actually plays.

Clay-

I went back looking for the Selvie play, and it's a return. Not sure when, sorry.

Hope that helps.