The moment the ball was kicked off

Interesting...

Your defense is winning those games, not Tebow and the offense.

That's pretty much on par with what I have been saying. The offense has been very conservative and very run focused... but, you know that - just look at the last DEN/OAK game.

Yet the same defense was 1-4 when Orton was the quarterback.

Weird.

Raiders could easily lose their next 4

This site is so biased.... they probably won't even fly a "Raiders 2011 AFCW Champions!" title up on top all season when Oakland wins. Why is that?

Because that would be weird, with the Broncos winning it?

I kid. Sort of.

Yes next question.

Autumnqueef is back. Yipee!

I'm not necessarily saying I agree with him, but two missed FG's by Novak is certainly a bit unusual.

Norv going full reerun in OT when San Diego had the ball at the Denver 30 ROFL Tebow has a deal with the devil.

Pretty sure that the Chiefs have been to the playoffs at least twice since then and that i remember the Broncos playing in an AFC Championship game much more recent than that.

Im sorry the Raiders have sucked nine strait years. Give McFadden some more Ice and a handful of dirt already.

You haven't won a playoff game since Joe Montana... how old is he now 60?

im a chiefs fan, but we have absolutely 0 ****ing anything when it comes to play off smack talk. We got nothing. zilch nada. nil.

Well that's a first, Most Chief fans like to bring up the Raiders getting their ass kicked in the Superbowl when they haven't even sniffed one in 40 years LMAO

NO AFCW team can talk smaq about the post season. If you haven't won a play off game and a SB in 5 yrs, you are irrelevant.

What if you haven't won a SB in closer to 50 years than 5 years?

Your mother was a crackhead, right?

Novak isn't quite yet a can't miss, top tier Kicker. This is his first action since 2008... he had 10 FG attempts in 2008 - you know that as he was a Chief. That was his last real action. This is the most he has played since 2005 when he was on 2 teams.

He's never had more than 10 attempts in the pros... he's nearly at 3X that now, the dude's leg is jelly.

This is just Norv being Norv, is it not?

ROFL

Pretty much, but it was a huge break when he took the foot off the pedal. Can't believe they didn't can that clown after the game.

And the Chiefs have won 3 playoff games dating back to 1971. I would think this would be a subject Chief fans would wish to avoid. Not that Oakland has much to talk about in recent years, but damn 3 wins in 40 years. I don't think you are in much of a position to be running smack~

Christ. What a bizarro world AFC West it would be... but Denver has a legit shot at it. Every week they're dogs and every week they win. If I was a DC facing the Donks I'd be in contact with the DC at Alabama or LSU. This college ball business is for the birds.

F'ing strange.

I think Chicago and New England will do the Donks in though. Chicago will win 9-3 and the Pats will win 19-10. And when the Raiders stomp San Diego and KC, that'll lock up the division.

So, this week we have...

Oakland (7-4) at the Dolphins (3-8)
Broncos (6-5) at the Vikings (2-9)

Raiders/Dolphins
The Dolphins are a weird team, having won 3 of their last 4... and they very well could have beaten the Cowboys last week. They've become a difficult team to project... if you look at their games with CLE, DEN and DAL - they maybe could have had 3 more wins.

The Raiders likely won't have McFadden back, but they've been playing well. Will the trip to Florida be kind to them this week? The Raiders have won their last 3 games, but they're still a bit of a mystery and by no means are a lock. I expect them to win, but it should be a tough game and a loss would not be surprising to me simply because of how well Miami has played and Oakland likely will not have McFadden.

Broncos/Vikings
I won't spend much time on Denver, you guys know what's going on there... the key to me during this stretch of 5-1 is the fact that they are 4-0 on the road (MIA, OAK, KC, SD).

The Vikings are experiencing some issues with Peterson - he may be back this week, but still isn't practicing. The Vikings defense has some playmakers, but they've broken down quite a bit. It will be interesting to see how they attack the Broncos.

The big key here to me is whether or not Peterson plays, that offense really needs him as they're young and inexperienced without him and truly lack a game breaker. I think the Broncos can get after Ponder early and often, forcing this into another potential snoozer for the most part.

Overall...
I think Denver and Oakland end up with a tied record of 7-5 after this week, giving Denver the division lead on tiebreakers. Imagine that one...

And, then it's Oakland @ Green Bay with Denver hosting the Bears in week 14.

This is a very critical week for Oakland.

And, it's official... Adrian Peterson has been ruled out for this week.

That's a pretty huge deal in Denver's favor. Go Dolphins.

55, but at least he is not still playing for the Chiefs at that age. Didn't George Blanda retire at the double nickel?

That old dude was a stud though... admit it

I would rather lose than have to suffer through the offense the Donks have....

Then you must have been the happiest guy on the planet over the last 10 years.

I dunno about that... I suffered through some losing the last couple of years and while this offense has been painful at times to watch, the end result has at least been good.

LMAO Well played... :clap:

Pot meet Kettle

No doubt, but I hated him just the same, just like all of the Raiders of that era. **spitting**

Yup the worst ever for me but just think, even as bad as the Raiders have been, they won more playoff games in 3 years (99-02) than the Chiefs have in 40 years

Yeah...It's good until the Donks get their collective asses handed to them in the first round of the playoffs. That's if they even get to the playoffs...which I seriously doubt.

You do realize that vailpass is a Bronco fan, correct?

I was wondering that, I kinda noticed a slightly more dumbass tone in his posts...

Thanks for pointing this out to me...

Why do all trolls revert the the past? It's like me bragging about how the chiefs won the Superbowl to a ****ing Lions fan? What am I missing?

It's all about these
http://www.oakland.com/oakland-raide...s/Trophies.jpg


and These

http://steelergridiron.com/history/rings/sb11.jpg
http://steelergridiron.com/history/rings/sb15.jpg
http://steelergridiron.com/history/rings/sb18.jpg

Its happened.... its here. Amazing but true.... Denver has just grabbed the inside track on the division. Who wudda thunk it? Raiders were dominated on both sides of the line in Miami. Dolphins thrashed them in every phase of the game. Broncos pulled off yet another miracle - gave up 500 yards to the Minnesota Ponders.... & yet still managed to win. They lead the division on tiebreakers, 3-2 in the AFCW & 6-3 in the conference. Raiders will lose @Packers next week, Broncos are in the driver's seat. In the preseason, I picked Denver to wallow in the AFCW cellar. Shows how much I know. Now we must all admit.... the Denver Freakin Broncos, with Tim Fuggin Tebow under center, are in control of the AFC West. Its a turvy, topsy world....

So, here we are...

Broncos 7-5 / 3-2 div - currently hold the tiebreakers over OAK
Raiders 7-5 / 2-2 div

Raiders remaining: @ GBP / DET / @ KCC / SDC
Broncos remaining: CHI / NEP / @ BUF / KCC

Denver has 3 of their final 4 at home, which is sweet. The Raiders travel to Green Bay this week and then they host the Lions, I dig it.

I hope the Broncos don't toy around with the beaten down Bears, that would be a letdown of monumental proportions. The Patriots in 2 weeks... that's huge and after watching Ponder yesterday, the secondary better get ready.

Four more games to go... but, if the season ended today - Denver would be the #4 seed and hosting #5 Steelers in the WildCard Round.

That's kinda crazy...

Denver sucks.

Boy, if the Raiders don't win the West this year, the Palmer trade will be colossal Fail. Granted, I think the trade is fail anyways....unless you win a Super Bowl, which I don't think happens. But, if they don't even win THIS division? Pathetic.

Yeah, that's a lot of picks to use for a win now on an older beaten QB... if you don't win now.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the final three weeks of the season if they get blown out by GB and the Broncos are able to beat the Bears.

No offense, but if Forte is out... we saw what KC did at CHI... I was liking Denver's chances in Denver before Forte got hurt.

Things are oddly lining up ... with the injuries to key players on their schedule recently. They have to win next week vs CHI to really make the NE game high profile.

It will be interesting to see the Broncos versus the Pats.

The Broncos should take care of business versus the Bears. The great thing about Tebow is that he doesn't make mistakes. For all his shortcomings, he has only one INT, I think this season.

I would laugh so hard if the other teams let the Chiefs win the division. If we beat Denver and Oakland we would have the first tiebreaker.

I wouldn't. Unless Orton somehow miraculously recovers and turns into Kurt Warner pt II. That would be sorta cool. But we would still have to draft RG3.

overall / division / conference

Broncos 7-5 / 3-2 / 6-3 (CHI / Pats / @ Bills / KC)
Raiders 7-5 / 2-2 / 5-5 (@ Packers / DET / @KC / SD)
Chiefs 5-7 / 2-2 / 3-6 (@Jets / Packers / Raiders / @ Broncos)
Chargers 4-7* / 2-3 / 3-5* (@ Jax / Bills / Ravens / @ Lions / @ Raiders)

At this point, Denver really controls their own fate and the road to the AFC West title actually goes through Denver with 3 of their 4 remaining games in Denver.

Denver has the best divisional record and conference record. I don't know how all the 'common opponents' breaks down at this point, but I bolded what I believe to be are the toughest games left for each team.

Denver will very likely be in a position that it hasn't been in for the last several years, favorites in 3 of the last 4 games and playing as the team to beat in December. It's nice for a change... but barring some monumental collapses, I just don't see KC or SD playing anything more than spoiler.

Oakland really took a major step back with the beating yesterday against the Dolphins.

Worst case, I see ...
Denver going 2-2 (likely 3-1 though)
Oakland going 2-2
Chiefs going 1-3 (maybe 2-2, doubt it though)
Chargers going 2-3

So, with 4 games to go.. only 2 games separate worst from first. Which team will crawl out of this lousy division, win the title and advance to the playoffs?

overall / division / conference

Broncos 7-5 / 3-2 / 6-3 (CHI / Pats / @ Bills / KC)
Raiders 7-5 / 2-2 / 5-5 (@ Packers / DET / @KC / SD)
Chiefs 5-7 / 2-2 / 3-6 (@Jets / Packers / Raiders / @ Broncos)
Chargers 5-7 / 2-3 / 4-5 ( / Bills / Ravens / @ Lions / @ Raiders)

Broncos split with OAK and SD, won first game @ KC.
Raiders split with Den, lost to KC, won @ SD
KC split with SD, lost to Den, won @ OAK
Chargers split with Den, split with KC and lost to OAK

San Diego has the worst road to the division title, looking at whom they've lost to within the division and their remaining games.

Raiders have a daunting stretch of games ahead of them with @ Packers, the Lions and then @ KC.

Chiefs... two tough games coming up @ Jets and then the Packers, followed by 2 Div games.

Denver could certainly stumble... they've been living on a prayer at times recently and at some point, they're bound to come up short. They have the most favorable position at this point... but, I'm starting to think that they can stumble here, go 2-2 and still win the division. Granted, likely means a first round exit, but you never know.

Said by a team that hasn't been relevant in 20 years and seen every other team in the AFCW even old AFCW cellar dweller Seattle in the big game. Chiefs are an embarrassment to the league. Now why don't you all neg rep me with go die in a fire. Come on guys you need some new stuff.

It's been 15,343 days since the Chiefs won or were in their last Superbowl

Carson Palmer