Moore>Tebow

Barkley his last 6 games 70% completion 23 TD's 2 INT.

The guy is a ****ing stud.

:facepalm:

So, Barkley NEVER having played in a snow game in his life is of no concern to you?

Not even when roughly half his games in KC would be under these conditions?

JFC, if some of you want to just pick anybody and not talk objectively about their positives and negatives, to each their own...but some of us want to go in with our eyes open.

Aaron Rodgers?

very impressive.

Id still trade our 1, 2 and next years 2 to go up and take Luck over him.

no, him playing in California means nothing, it is ****ing stupid

I mean look what happened to Rodgers in Green Bay...sometimes he can't even throw because he's too busy holding a cup of hot chocolate to warm his California hands...

Barkley isnt gonna drop into the 20s and be given 3 years to sit and adjust.

Look, if we are sitting at 2nd overall....Im taking Barkley and the pick would be made in less than 1 minute as I would run the card up myself.

Im just trying to have a conversation about his negatives and see what the responses are and how people perceive some of his flaws (if we want to call them that)

and does it work the other way?

are college QBs from Michigan avoided by pro-teams in California?

too sweaty to hold onto the ball or something?

I'm all for that, let's just make sure we get SOMEBODY.

RGIII > Barkley

So what you're saying is that if Rodgers didn't get the chance to sit for 3 years.....that he wouldn't have been able to adjust to the winter games?

Seriously?

JFC

get a grip

Aaron Rogers had 3 ****ing years to practice and adjust to the difference in playing conditions.

Nobody will ever know what would have happened if he was let loose as a rookie in those conditions...we do know what happened to his predecessors who did.

If you want to just cover your eyes and act like he is perfect in every way, fine.

I will chose to be objective and bring up points to talk about that are very valid.

Him having never thrown (or pump fake, or take a shotgun snap or secure the ball while taking a sack) a frozen football is one of them.

not at all, Im just saying that we have no sample size to show us how he responds to those conditions...

thats just reeruned

this is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard....playing in California is now a knock against football players...because they've never experienced cold weather...

it is straight up reeruned...

I expect to read a lot of scouting reports this year that mention this, right?

You mean Brett Favre? Who played at Ole Miss and spent his first year in Atlanata before taking over in the 4th game of his 2nd year in the leage?

Barkley

Cons:

plays for USC
plays in California
doesn't own a winter coat
expects to be paid to play football

Pros:

not black


RG3

Cons:

black
plays in an option offense
gets injured a a lot because of the option offense he doesn't actually play in
black

Pros:

owns a winter coat

Right now, you are sounding like Pioli Zombie defending anything patriot.

Its ok to talk about things that concerns about the kids we have a chance at drafting, isnt it?

I think Ive been very fair in my comments on Barkley and have been pointing out his strengths as well as his weaknesses...its too bad that anything said about him that isn't roses and rainbows is taken as "true fan" or whatever.

Does the fact that he hasnt ever played in a snow game a damning trait?

**** that, no.

He could end up being the best NFL QB in bad weather for all we know, or he could end up a guy with an average arm that his passes float when the weather gets bad and that leads him to be far less effective.

Im just saying its a point of concern that we play half the year under less than perfect conditions and that there is no tape of Barkley in those situations.

thats all

yes, I look forwarded to reading all the scouting reports of California players that mention they may not be able to handle cold weather...

the validity of your concern will be easy to prove when the draft rolls around and Mel and McShay are discussing how California QBs are unproven in cold weather...

I'll bump this thread then and apologize to you for being wrong about such an incredible insight...

So, that's how strawmen arguments work.

Thanks.

LMAO

@LATimesklein Gary Klein
Matt Barkley said he would be prepared for cold weather after making snow angels while shirtless as a kid.
1 Nov via TweetDeck

ROFL

Seems Im not the only one asking about him in cold weather.

no, that's how I make fun of people who believe California players are going to be judged by scouts based on the weather....

The Jizz over Barkley = Jizz over Clausen.

Bark = Claus

Great. Now he's gay.

So we either get the black QB or the gay California pansy.

WHY DO YOU HATE US, GOD??

You are a fool if you don't think its a factor.

As I have already said multiple times in this thread, I would take Barkley if we are drafting 2nd overall and it wouldn't take me more than a minute to get the card up to GODell.

Doesn't mean the lacking experience in cold weather isn't a factor into it, though.

That is all.

I would be willing to bet money that if Barkley and Jones are both on the board, these **** sticks will with either take Landry ****ing Jones or Ryan Kahlil.

To me, he just looks like a younger, more polished version of their golden boy.

Now Pioli is a ****stick?

FLIP FLOPPER

I'm dreading that the one executive who said that Kellen Moore > RGIII is actually Pioli. I would not be surprised at all if it's him. It probably is, in fact.

And yet I'm so ****ing desperate for a first round QB for this team I wouldn't be pissed if the Chiefs drafted Moore in the 1st round. How pathetic is that?

Lol.

I don't think Barkley has the arm strength to succeed at the next level. The way he spoke about the Heisman in that interview also leads me to believe hes not a super team-player.

this reminds me of a thought I had last night.

3 quarterbacks have been the center of discussion around here the last 3 years or so.

Mark Sanchez
Jimmy Clausen
Blaine Gabbert

I wonder if all three will be available via trade during the offseason.

NY seems about ready to move on
Jimmy is buried
New regime might want a new QB in Jacksonville.

Id be ok with throwing a mid rounder for any of them....maybe a 2nd and change for Gabbert

Kellen Moore is 6-1 and 190 lbs.

No GM in this league is taking him in the 1st.

You're pandering with Gabbert. Stop he sucks.

Sanchez isn't going anywhere.

If Jacksonville was going to get a new QB they would have fired Gene Smith the guy responsible for drafting Gabbert.

moore is better than stanzi, wouldn't freak if they took him late

plus Moore is a cold weather QB, so one less thing to worry about...

I have no faith in Piolis ability to identify quarterback talent nor do I have any faith left that Haley would know who to play, either.

I have the utmost respect for the way Pioli has gone about building the rest of this roster, though.

No flip flopping there, at all.

My one hope is that Pioli put a lot of bad rumors out about Stanzi predraft to throw teams off the scent and that he got his kid at a discount due to that.

Just blind hope on that one, though.
I dont think it was an executive, it seems like it was one scout.

Im with you, though.

Just draft one....I dont even care if he busts.

Just




TRY


his arm isn't bad whatsoever....its actually above average, but arm strength is absolutely magnified in cold weather.

Todd Haley won't be here next year bruh.

damn, is he really that small?

He doesnt look "big" by any stretch, but he doesnt look smaller than Brodie...

strange

Maybe.

Im ok wither way.....if Haley stays, good. I think he deserves a chance to coach this team at full strength with a good quarterback.

If he is fired, that probably ups our chances of drafting a QBOTF by at least 25%

FTR, I think RG3 comes in closer to 6' 200 when the combine rolls around.

I dont see a kid that is 6'2 220 when I watch Baylor.

If that's what it takes to get a new QB then goodbye Todd. This team isn't winning shit with Cassel.

Would be interesting if he fell to the bottom of the 2nd.

Right now, Id be perfectly fine if we traded

Bowe
Carr
Dorsey
and our 1st

If that would be enough to move up to take Andrew Luck.

I think there is enough of a gap between he and the rest of the field for that to be worthwhile.

If Im Indy, I probably take that deal.

It wouldnt matter THAT MUCH.

Vick was about that size and went 1st overall.

I dont see a way RG3 gets out of the top 10.

Without being bowl eligible that's really about all there was to play for.

Look at Bakley's numbers from year to year and how he improved also he's a true junior not a redshirt. So it's not like he got a year of sitting to learn.

Mecca let's hear your full breakdown on Barkley.

I like the guy, I think he's mentally strong, he could have transferred out with all the crap that happened while he was there yet he chose to stay. People look at this year where SC really rebounded and say it's talent around him, but it's very very young talent. Outside of Kalil and the RB tandem that is ok at best every impact player on that offense is a freshman or sophomore.

Barkley is really the glue that kept that team together and moving forward in a pretty difficult time for that university. I alone think that is a reason he'd be a good fit here, I like the talent level but I l like his makeup more. Any guy who as a true sophomore is the glue that keeps his team together says a lot to me.

No matter how he comes off in an interview, Barkley is a very hard worker and puts in the time to be good. This is guy that lost weight in his time with SC to become more mobile in the pocket.

Personally I think Barkley would be a great fit here, all his teammates love him, he's tough played through injuries, he can make all the throws and he's been the unquestioned leader on that team for nearly the entire time he's been there.

Mayock called Barkley a more polished Andy Dalton...who here would take Andy Dalton right now?

I also want everyone to understand something, outside of Kalil he plays behind a shit oline. The guards are average and young, the center is crap and the RT is an overmatched freshman.

While I didnt see as much of Dalton in college, I did catch a couple games and I do think that Dalton and Barkley are comparable.

Then again, I also think Stanzi is comparable to Dalton in many ways...so, who know?

Dalton is part of the reason I don't really care who we take (even though I have my preferences)...I would have never thought he'd play this way as a rookie...he had the least 'flash' of any QB coming out...

I was never even impressed with him when I saw him play, other than thinking he was tough...

Stanzi sucks give it up dude.

Who can forget the game winning drive vs OSU when Barkley was a freshmen?

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And he's improved leaps and bounds since then.

I've decided to say, "**** Barkley." Don't want him.

Matt Leinart

Matt Cassel

Matt Ryan

Matt Schaub

Matt Sanchez

TOO MANY ****ING SHITTY MATT QBS WHO CAN'T PLAY IN COLD WEATHER

So basically hes Mark Sanchez 2.0

Goodness the idiocy on this board has to be at an all time high.

With all of the training and coaching he's received in his life, I wonder how much more of a ceiling Barkley has. I don't know if there is much room for improvement.

Here is a detailed scouting report on him (cbssportsline):

Accuracy: Is generally a very accurate passer who places the ball in position for his receiver to generate yardage after the catch. Adept at the back-shoulder fade and in zipping slants between defenders. Has a tendency to throw slightly behind receivers running crossing routes from his right to his left. Is consistently more accurate to receivers running left to right. Good ball placement on touch passes down the seam. Struggles consistently hitting receivers in stride on the deep ball. Typically overthrows the route, making his receiver the only one capable of catching up to the ball. Doesn't own a howitzer, however, and some of his deep passes can hang too long as a result.

Arm Strength: Has the ability to make every throw, but has only slightly above average arm strength, overall. Zips short and intermediate routes, but relies more on timing and accuracy, rather than arm strength for the deep out. Only an average deep ball passer.

Setup/Release: Among his better attributes. Takes virtually all of his snaps from under center and gains depth efficiently while keeping his eyes downfield. Sets his feet and steps into his throws when he given room. Has a compact, over the top throwing motion with good follow-through. Has shown the ability to drop his release point to evade oncoming pass rushers.

Reading Defenses: Another strength. An intelligent passer who has the freedom and understanding of the offense to call audibles at the line. Good poise in the pocket. Trusts his protection and keep a running clock in his head, looking to secondary targets before vacating the pocket. Rarely throws into the teeth of the defense and when he does so, he shows good accuracy to adjust his throw so that only his receiver should have a play on the ball.

On The Move: Lacks the foot speed and agility to ever be a true threat as a scrambler, but is an alert ball-carrier who will take yardage given to him. Often used on rollouts in this offense, especially moving to his right. Impressive accuracy on the move, even when not allowed to set his feet. Has to learn to run lower and gain strength in his lower body to improve on the quarterback sneak.

Intangibles: The only freshman in team history to start at quarterback in the season-opener and the first for any team ranked in the AP's top five to do so since No. 3 Michigan's Rick Leach did so in 1975. The first true sophomore to ever be named a captain at USC. Legitimate concerns about his size and durability. Has missed at least one game in each of his first two seasons due to injury, including an ankle sprain in 2010 (missed second half of Oregon State, Notre Dame) and a bruised right (throwing) shoulder in 2009 (missed Washington). Also underwent surgery on his right wrist prior to 2010 spring practice.

--Rob Rang

Reads like a less mobile Cassel.

Really? Cassel is accurate and can read defenses?

Struggles consistently hitting receivers in stride on the deep ball. Typically overthrows the route, making his receiver the only one capable of catching up to the ball. Doesn't own a howitzer, however, and some of his deep passes can hang too long as a result.

Cassel is accurate out to 4 yards but don't expect him to put the receiver in a position to get YAC. Cassel is a dyslexic QB. Tyler Palko can read defenses better.

Arm Strength: Has the ability to make every throw

And yet his long passes "float."

RGIII > Barkley

he would fit right in here then.

Tell me something about physics.

If a player has just enough arm strength to "float" his deep passes in 70 degree temperature, what happens when he throws that same pass a 10 below?

It's doubtful you've watched either play.

In his first year starting, he brought his team back from a 20 point deficit by throwing 4 touchdowns in the fourth quarter alone.

Quarterbacks that suck cant do that.

You guys point to Barkleys statistical improvement as proof of his coachability and leadership, but Stanzi had about the same arc of improvement over his three years starting.

You know when Ill admit he sucks?

When he shows that he does on the field.

Till then, I will believe that he is a good quarterback.

LMAO


you are a ****ing gold mine...

What blows my mind is those who find faults in Barkley and RGIII while apparently ignoring the flaws on our "future HOF" QBs we have on this roster. I will take the upside of a Barkley or RGIII over the upside of a Cassel or Orton any day of the week.

So would most people, but we all highly doubt it would be enough, nor would Indy make that trade. Also highly doubtful Pioli would either.

Let me ask you a question about physics to see if you understand the logic behind what Im talking about.

*What makes the kickoffs fall much shorter once the temperature drops?

Does the kickers legs get tired once it gets cold out?
Do they wear different shoes that make the ball purposely travel a shorter distance?

Science.

How does it work TTC?

doesnt mean I cant waste my time talking about it.

Boss is going all Building 7 on us.

Cassel and Orton have upside? I'm sure they'll be glad to hear it and so would we because its the first we've heard about it.

not sure I understand what you are talking about.

If you are round about talking to me, well...I have said a few times that I would take Barkley if we were sitting at #2 and I am one of the biggest Stanzi fans on this board.

LMAO

And RGIII= Vick, VY, Cunningham or any other running QB in the NFL (excluding amazingly enough people like Steve Young, Aaron Rodgers etc...).

I guess we should just go for broke and do whatever it takes to get Luck because apparently everyone else in this draft will suck. OR we could just go into camp next year with the winners we currently have at QB.

ROFL

Jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel so there had to be some sort of bomb in there that actually took the building down /jesse ventura

So, you have nothing.

got it.