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I bet your head is about to explode with all this Orton stuff. LOL

Not really,

I have been a Chiefs fan since 1988... I understand this fanbase and the quest for 9-7...

**** Matt Cassel

Hardly. You've become a caricature of yourself.

Funny thing is....no one takes you seriously around here.

Could be a killer for him as well if Pioli doesn't like that kind of talk.

Its a message board, I dont take anything or anyone serious here.. IF you do, then LMAO....

FYP

Thanks pimptastic!

Strike one on Romeo.

QBs don't win football games, TEAMS DO...

It's really not a comment that I think Pioli would disagree with. Crennel didn't just come out and say that Orton was gonna be the guy, he just said if a guy produces, then you'd be a fool not to look at him as a potential solution moving forward.

I think it was just a flashback to when both he and Pioli were in New England in 2001, and right after they had handed Bledsoe a huge long term contract, Bledsoe went out and got hurt, and Brady came in and got the team rolling, and they ended up getting rid of Bledsoe and going with the guy who produced.

So while everyone is stuck on the idea that Pioli will never move on from Cassel, I think he will have no problem doing so if he feels like there is another guy on his team or available for the taking who is a clear cut upgrade and clear cut better fit for the team.

I'm still not convinced though that Orton is that guy based on his history. I just see him as, essentially, very similar to Cassel. Can have the occasional good game, but is way too inconsistent...

Cassel will be gone, next year.

Well, not Matt Cassel at least.

Bledsoe got hurt in the 2nd game of the season and Brady went on to win the frickin Super Bowl.

That's a far cry different from what will likely be 3 starts for Orton before KC goes home for the offseason because they missed the playoffs.

If Orton pulls a Vince Young, and the Chiefs win with no offensive production at all, but rather on returns and turnovers, what will Romeo say then?

Orton won the game??

Get real.

Romeo was doing fine. I don't like that comment...

Yes, but I'm a Patriots fan, so my quarterback is a Ferrari, mother****er. :D

What if Jason Babin was starting at qb?
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I don't think Romeo has any strikes yet.

Tell that to the Colts!

Because Cassel has almost as much knowledge to pass along as Manning?

Cassel brings nothing to the table.

Do you believe Orton is a Huge upgrade over Cassel? I certainly do.

I don't think anyone here believes Orton is going to lead this or any team to a SB win.

What is worth debating is if Orton should be retained for next season.

IMO, Pioli will not draft a QB high, or even attempt to deal to move up to do so.

I believe he thinks Stanzi is the guy.

En la tierra de los ciegos, el tuerto es rey.

In 1972 they did.

Not in today's game

Step 1. Sign Orton.
Step 2. Cut Cassel.
Step 3. Kick Cassel in the nuts.
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Profit!

Thinks he hit his Tom Brady on his first try? Sweet

You serious?

I think you believed that Stanzi was the guy, but the Chiefs dont, otherwise he would have praticed and played this year...

I believe you are speculating without out facts from Pioli himself...

Did Trent Dilfer win the Super Bowl, or did the Ravens?

Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman...

you can get to the Super Bowl with a terrible QB...

Peyton Manning is a bit different with the Colts. Indeed, clearly, the data is "in" on that score...

My favorite - Jeff Hostetler - clearly he won the Super Bowl, and Lawrence Taylor and the NYG D had nothing to do with it...

Brady didn't get off the inactive list his first year either.

I have my doubts Pioli will go high for a QB either for the reason that he wants to have an experienced QB under center.

So your are saying that the Stanzi is the next Brady?

They didn't make the defenses so impotent with the rules back then. An average or below average QB is not going to get the job done anymore.

I didn't say that at all. I'd like for him to get a shot to prove what we have. He won't prove or disprove that from the bench. IMO Pioli is following his recipe from what happened with Brady.

In Pioli's mind

No doubt the rule changes, especially for DBs, make it easier for QBs.

A great defense still shuts out a lot of teams.

The real point is that our current interim head coach should never imply

TEAM = just QB

and hopefully he won't make that mistake again.

Wasn't Cassel the "next Brady?"

The last three years the organization has been saying we can get by with just an average QB (that may be an upgrade from reality). I hope the organization won't make that mistake again.

Duh. Of course its speculation.

I don't know what Stanzi is.

:hmmm:

Okay... I was just messing with you...

Average may be overly kind...

It's hard to say what's going on in KC. On the one hand, I agree with this take, and it frustrates me that they haven't seen what he offers. On the other hand, Belichick and Pioli kept Tom Brady, in his rookie year, as a fourth QB behind Drew Bledsoe, John Friesz, and Michael "Bound For The CFL" Bishop. IIRC he didn't dress or take a snap. :shrug:

Guess we will never know...

Brady also continued to play during the season even when Bledsoe got healthy, which actually pissed off a lot of Patriots fans at the time. But the point is, it was obvious to everyone in that building that the Patriots were playing better team football with Brady in there. There was no move to go back to the guy they had just handed the big contract to. And this was all before he went on to win the Super Bowl that year.

This is not to compare Orton to Brady or anything like that. It's just to say that because Pioli likes a guy and gave him a big contract, he of all people knows what it is like if you find someone else who fits in better with the team, moves the ball, and wins you games...

Orton should be the starter regardless...

I support keeping Orton.

Look, here are our options.

1. Keep Cassel and Orton and have them compete for the starting job.

2. Keep Cassel, let Orton walk. Draft a QB.

3. Keep Orton, let Cassel walk. Draft a QB.

4. Dump both, draft a QB, and let he or Stanzi start.

I like option #3 the best. Option 1 is garbage (but I'm 100% sure that's what will come to pass) and option #4 kinda falls into the 'putting all eggs into single basket'.

Orton should be looked at for what he is: A mediocre (or 'solid') Journeyman Quarterback who can operate as a stop gap.

I don't see a problem with it unless the team views Orton as a long term solution (which I believe they will).

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Yeah first post.............:clap:

Babin got a 1 game suspension for breaking apart in mid-air while playing the Jets

Does anyone know what the financial downside would be to cutting Cassel? If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m?

IMO it's a little early to have an opinion on Kyle but as people have said, he certainly goes through his rotation faster. Also, I like the touch he puts on the ball to make it easier to catch. Cassel likes to throw lasers.

Remember, Cassel had some big games last year. The Raiders should put more pressure on Orton Sunday. Matt has had to survive behind a pourous, sub-average line, lets see what Kyle can do.

Also something to consider, I'm convinced that one reason Matt was chosen was because Pioli knew how bad the O-line was and knew he needed someone durable. He is that, he's taken some real shots this year and come back from them. Also I'm sure that his game was affected early in the year when he had bruised ribs. Stanzi doesn't look that tough, not sure about Orton.

Draft a QB? not before D-Line pls
 

I think we might be wiser to draft a crushing DLman. Either a big, built for purpose nosetackle (we've really missed Smith this year), or rushing complement to Hali at the other end. If we had more of a run stuffing NT then I think that DJ would be turned loose to wreak havok even more.

My thinking is that the best thing we could do for our offense would be to give them the ball more often in better field position. We should get Moeaki and Charles back albeit not as good but still better weapons, we should do ok scoring, but we need to be able to stop people better.

"If we waive him and nobody picks him up, does that mean we still have to give him the rest of his $65m? "

No, and I doubt any more of his contract is guaranteed. I think if he is cut, he does clear waivers, and the Chiefs are off the hook completely.

yep.

Right but that was 2 games into the season, not 2 games LEFT in the season. Completely different situation because of the timeline and sample size.

There is a very good chance the QB depth charts is:

Orton
Cassel
Stanzi

next year. Very good chance.

You have to wonder if Cassel will want any part of being a backup, or if the Chiefs want to pay him 5 mil to be a backup.

I don't see us keeping both Orton and Cassel next year. One will be gone.

Cassel is due to make $5.25M in 2012.

Are the Chiefs REALLY going to pay that kind of money for a backup? :hmmm:

Will Cassel even be in the league next year? He's "earned" SO much money from Clark Hunt over the last 3 years, will he bother playing for backup money, because he's certainly done being a starter in this league...

This talk of Orton as the potential starter next year is premature.

Romeo Crennel is not the coach going into next season yet.

Orton is a free agent this offseason.

And I don't believe for a second that Pioli has any plan to change QBs.

The idiot had a bird's eye view of what Cassel is in New England, and still hitched his wagon to him when he took the riegns of this franchise.

Good point about the cash, but Cassel needs to realize that being a backup is his place in this league.

If Orton plays well the next two games, and we let him walk, and go into next year with Cassel, I'd have to imagine there'd be a significant hit to season ticket sales. Left to his own devices, Pioli probably would like to continue with Cassel. Not sure Clark Hunt would allow it to happen.

Yep. Kinda what I was thinking.

That talk is all VERY hypothetical.

IF Orton plays as well over the next 2 games.

IF Crennel is the next HC.

Otherwise, don't get too worked up about it.

However...

Kyle is determined to remain a starting QB. In Denver, Orton made it clear that he had no intentions of re-signing to "mentor" or back-up Tebow. He also made it clear that he would not sign an extension/new contract with any team the Broncos might trade him to unless he was clearly to be the starter. He didn't want to be a band-aid QB while a team prepped a draft-pick to replace him.

So unless Cassel is traded or forced to seriously re-structure his contract, I think he looks to remain the starter in KC. Orton won't sign any contract with the Chiefs while that is the case.

Right now, he's simply auditioning for his next team...

Well then great do we go into next year

1. Cassel
2. Stanzi
3. Palko

Because if thats the case season tickets will be cancelled for sure. I'm also not sure if cassel wouldn't be booed when he took the field.

Sorry I've seen enoughof cassel now to form the opinion he panics, doesn't go through his progressions, and has no pocket awareness. If this were the case how many games does he get to screw up before stanzi gets a chance.


Sorry I dump cassel and sign orton. Keep Stanzi draft a developmental QB with a lot of potential or trade up for RG 3 or Barkley.

No.

Palko is in his final year of his contract.

Thank god for that I'm starting to think if orton wins out

Are depth chart looks like this

1. Orton
2. Cassel
3. Stanzi

I hope I'm wrong bout cassel

HC/DC Romeo
OC mcdaniels

Mcdaniels worked with both cassel and orton before

Orton knows he can beat out cassel Stanzi competes with cassel for back up.

Though as I said i'd dump cassel not sure pioli will though. I'd draft a QB and have orton as the starter stanzi as backup and let drafted QB learn and be groomed.

The Chiefs wont pay Cassel 5/7/9mil a year to be backup. He's going to be cut or he's going to be the Chiefs 2012 opening day starter.

Orton is not going to sign a contract to be a backup. If he plays the rest of the year like he did against the Packers, teams will be knocking on his door to be starter. Teams like the Vikings/Jags who have their QBotF but clearly arent ready to start yet or teams like Cleveland/Seattle who need a starting QB and may miss out on the top 3 QB's in the draft.

2012 is going to be:

1) Cassel/Orton
2) Stanzi/???
3) ???/Stanzi

You assumed he actually watched...

I can't back cassel and his check downs and passes in the dirt

I can't see how they can bring him back

If orton wins out

bump

I guess 1 out of 2 wasn't good enough :(

and of all plaayers that ****ed up our win against the Raiders, it was Romeos prize player from NEs defense Seymour with 2 blocked field goals to beat us in a game we should have won.

Oh well...also remember that Romeo didnt promote Cassel until he had no other choice due to Piolis choices.

He said at the combine that he wanted Peyton, would trade up for RG3, that Cassel was only the quarterback until we get another quarterback and interviewed and worked out Luck, RG3 and Tannehill and then had private workouts with RG3 and Tannehill, too.

I firmly believe that Romeo wants nothing to do with Cassel.

So he knows Stanzi sucks terribly then, right?

Ahem.

He won 2 out of 3. Of course, the last one against Denver didnt end up mattering much.

We should have traded our first for Seymour!

Both of those wins were against playoff teams, too.

We reached and picked Tyson jackson instead. Give me the proven probowler anyday.

Not signing Kyle Orton may cost Scott Pioli his job. Wow. What a stubborn jackass.